Re: Removing (or trying to) BerkeleyDB from Fedora

is there in trying to remove it? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

satisfy everybody? Match User root PasswordAuthentication no Simpler version (if the change is desired): PermitRootLogin without-password -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages

Once upon a time, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com said: Do we even use the DHCP NTP server assignment? I believe it is used for chrony and ntpd, don't know about sysmted's new implementation. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages

Once upon a time, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl said: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 08:01:37AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com said: Do we even use the DHCP NTP server assignment? I believe it is used for chrony and ntpd, don't know about

Re: Trig functions from math.h

(always helpful to include)? Are you linking with -lm (the math library)? Also, just FYI: this list is intended for developing Fedora, not really developing _on_ Fedora (so unless you are working on F21 or rawhide, you should use us...@lists.fedoraproject.org in the future). -- Chris Adams li

Re: Requiring all files in /usr to be world-readable?

policies, so please stop bringing up that red herring. Security-by-obscurity also doesn't help setuid binaries in the normal install paths (e.g. /usr/bin), because an attack could easily just switch over to metadata (file size, timestamps, etc.). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing

Re: Requiring all files in /usr to be world-readable?

). There is no reason for any other permissions. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Remove Perl from minimal build root

). The RPM maintainers as well as Perl maintainers seems to be in favor of this change. One other thing to check for is spec files that use perl (maybe when the resulting package does not). I know I've written spec files that use perl to fix things and what not. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net

Re: man-db without cache update (no cron or systemd *.timer)

stop caching man pages at all, or at least make that functionality optional (and non-default)? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code

Re: Dash as default shell

? To be fair, portable programs wrap GCCisms in #ifdefs. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Dash as default shell

/bash). In general, I am pretty sure that except a couple of programming language or UNIX aficionades very few people can actually correctly separate bashisms from true bourneshellisms. It isn't that hard. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Dash as default shell

/Ubuntu (and *BSD, etc.). The remaining scripts are largely going to be Fedora-specific, and that's not nearly as big of pile of code as you imply. It is also funny to hear the systemd author talk about not breaking things and creating lots of work. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing

Re: Dash as default shell

Unix-like systems (e.g. *BSD, Solaris, etc.) have ever used bash as /bin/sh. To say it is a lot of work or is going to break the world, the requirement for proof is on you. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Dash as default shell

for the POSIX-compliant scripting shell on Unix-like systems. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Dash as default shell

this be handled through the alternatives system, so that admins could choose bash vs. dash vs. whatever? In theory now, /bin/sh is not as critical to system startup with systemd (although I expect there are still scripts that called in various places). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list

Re: Attempting to contact two unresponsive maintainers - dajt and jpacner

a problem with _any_ company with corporate involvement with Fedora having the same ability to say this email is no longer valid and triggering an immediate unresponsive maintainer process. It is just that Red Hat is the prime example. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

it is time to knock it down and start over). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: systemd dependencies

of /usr/lib/systemd/system?). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: systemd dependencies

, with an rsync-service subpackage that has all the systemd integration. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: systemd dependencies

Once upon a time, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com said: Would you be willing to craft a patch and send it to the rsync maintainer to do that? I believe (later in this thread) someone said that has already been done, as rsync-daemon. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: BIND 9.10.1 beta with seccomp functionality

, as his playing field is significantly reduced. There's very little he can do.” How is that different from an SELinux policy? How is the additional resitrction handled (if it isn't SELinux, what mechanism is used to do the restriction)? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: New Fedora 22 Change proposal: systemd-sysusers

in a network environment, having differing versions of UID_MIN (where recompilation is required to change) is just wrong. As the message above sys, yes, that is actually used and needed. I see no valid justification for removing that functionality. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list

Re: setterm impact changed (was: setterm syntax changed)

in the setterm man page to stop it. :-( Are you calling it from your .bashrc? A simple thing like this should do (basically, only run setterm when connected to /dev/tty[0-9]*): tty=$(tty) [ $tty != ${tty#/dev/tty[0-9]} ] setterm your setterm args -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

haven't wanted to remove all the kernels in a while (I guess since before this was added); is the only way to bypass yum and use rpm? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

request that you really want to do that. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

be based on the number of affected dependent packages (and/or maybe a percentage of installed packages). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

the name. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

with iptables, rather than forking sshd processes only to close the connection. Also, if you want, you can configure fail2ban with escalating length blocks (so first offense is 5 minutes, then 3 strikes gets you an hour, etc.). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

to the number of x86 machines that can run F20. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: BerkeleyDB 6 symbol versioning and associated problems

interest in forking libdb-5 (or just picking up maintenance if/when upstream drops it). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: BerkeleyDB 6 symbol versioning and associated problems

with the licenses of software already using BDB-5. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Incorrect order of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in path

bother again about $PATH orders and namespace collisions... As I said before, there's still some consolehelper stuff that requires entries in both /usr/bin and /usr/sbin to work. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: Incorrect order of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in path

that, the PATH order shouldn't matter. To the OP: I'd suggest checking your .bash_profile to see if something has changed the PATH there. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

, much like sql injection. In those cases, one could craft URLs to run wget or any other tool that may help the intruder get even more inside. Down that path lies madness. Are you going to remove /bin/sh? If not, virtually anything else is possible. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

can remove network access, remove local write access, etc. However, that is separate from removing arbitrary binaries from the system/image. Removing non-privileged binaries from the image does _nothing_ for security (as claimed up-thread). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

other part of the system, not the binary. I can (unless severely locked down, which is difficult-to-impossible to do in practice) download another non-privileged binary and achieve the same privilege escalation. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

to and show how it is wrong. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

that are needed is not practical. Spending a whole bunch of effort to allow you to remove systemd (again, just the files, it isn't running) seems excessive. There are some basic things that RPMs expect; installing a service expects that the service management tools are present. -- Chris Adams li

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: however, thank you to show me that any discussion with you is worthless Right back at you. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

is that it is fairly tolerant to dataloss. Yes, and there are multiple solutions to that issue. TCP syslog, rsyslog's replication protocol, etc. It would be good if systemd could use or extend an existing logging protocol, rather than invent yet another method. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net

Re: F21 System Wide Change: BerkeleyDB 6

(because of license), and perl linked with libdb-6, mod_perl would be broken. If there are any conflicts because of the license incompatibility, then moving to libdb-6 may not be a good idea. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: default local DNS caching name server

server that will work, there may be private DNS info not available anywhere else, etc. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: default local DNS caching name server

Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said: The advantage of using your dns server is that you know what you're getting. You'll also lose almost all content-delivery network advantages (most of that is mapped to close servers with DNS). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

needed it), it really is a meaningless check. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

Once upon a time, Paul Wouters p...@nohats.ca said: On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [technical reasoning snipped] Hence: please let's just remove

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

Once upon a time, quickbooks office quickbooks.off...@gmail.com said: This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. The only local account on many (most?) systems with network authentication is root. -- Chris Adams li

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

with only a root user created). Fedora still allows root SSH logins by default; how is that more secure than the console? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

of the code, and other system tools will still use the bzip2 library. I think the right way to move forward is to make a library that is at least API-compatible with the current libbz2.so.1, make all the tools use it, and just replace bzip2 with lbzip2. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

anyway built into the kernel is slightly more efficient and more convenient. If we have a split between filesystems between products, then it probably doesn't make sense to build any of them into the kernel anymore (well, assuming they all use the same kernel RPMs). -- Chris Adams li

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

available (or planned)? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: New UEFI guide on the wiki

vendor that I think helped write some of the UEFI spec - I need to bug him on that one. :) -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

on Windows before it does anything. How could a default install of a DHCP service possibly know what to do without configuration? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http

Re: boot.fedoraproject.org (BFO)

with Github. It is SourceForge 2.0 as far as I can tell, and I'm sure something will come along eventually and replace it as the new hotness. I can see putting projects that even might have some non-Fedora interest on non-Fedora-hosted platforms, if only to try to attract other interest. -- Chris

Re: dnf versus yum

), but that may not always work (it would have to handle things like kernel-PAE and such). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: dnf versus yum

recursively on `/' rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe I didn't know that was there (not in the habit of running rm -rf / just to see what happens). I really can't think of a situation where rm -rf / would be useful, so I don't really care one way or the other about that one. -- Chris

Re: dnf versus yum

removed (not owned by any RPM), so you should always be able to boot that. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: dnf versus yum

option at all on a system without multiple OSes installed, so booted by default). In any case, this is still a very minor side issue, and should not derail practical dnf discussions. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

action by someone who happens to be employed by Red Hat as yet another opportunity to attack Red Hat, the individuals involved, their motives, etc. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

don't pass a format string with additionalarguments to be converted), then use the correct function for the job such as puts(foo). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

Once upon a time, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net said: Aside from everything else, using the printf() family of functions when you don't want formatted output is bad practice. There's really no excuse for calling printf(foo); if you don't want formatted output (i.e. you don't pass a format

Packaing question: need some includes from kernel source

under that directory (using the 3.11.7 kernel source), and it works (and it also works on an older kernel under RHEL 6). Is this allowed under the packaging guidelines, or is there a better way? -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Packaing question: need some includes from kernel source

Once upon a time, Dridi Boukelmoune dridi.boukelmo...@gmail.com said: Hi, Is kernel-headers enough ? https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel-headers I should have mentioned that neither kernel-headers nor kernel-devel has the necessary headers. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net

Re: Packaing question: need some includes from kernel source

Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org said: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:47:12AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: I'm looking at packaing mpt-status (get status info from LSI MPT SAS RAID controllers) for Fedora and EPEL. However, to build, it needs some include files from

Re: Can we have better ssh fingerprint collision messages?

back to the beginning (and IIRC to the original SSH code before OpenSSH started). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Can we have better ssh fingerprint collision messages?

works one way. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

how obvious you may feel it to be. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

everything. The best (and I use that term loosely) way to handle many of these poorly-designed devices is to always plug them in the same USB port, and then write udev rules that match particular device/bus/port combinations. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

often do). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

autostart settings, etc., all of which are also dot-files/dot-directories. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

running as the user write there (don't know if that is the case though). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: prelink performance gains

. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: prelink performance gains

. Now you are wasting a chunk of RAM, as it can't be shared between non-prelinked and prelinked bins/libs. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org

Re: prelink performance gains

. The message that started this thread indicates that prelink may not have a significant gain anymore. If that's the case, than _any_ effort is not worth the added complexity, overhead, etc. of prelink. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: prelink performance gains

that tests showed no significant gain anymore, at least in the poster's setup. If that is indeed the case, then there's no reason to keep prelink. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: prelink performance gains

, why should it be kept at all? It has non-zero support cost outside of the package itself. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: does mc really require perl*?

variety of cases. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Default boot/root filesystem

than switching to something that is just another traditional FS (with some bells and whistles), switching to btrfs. The switch to btrfs as default isn't there yet, but that is the direction I think Fedora is moving towards (one of these days). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

root) that doesn't match the login user for this TTY; on Linux this can be as easy as the following bit of bash: local user= if [ $UID != 0 -a ! -O /proc/self/fd/0 ]; then user='\u@' fi PS1=$user'\h \W\$ ' -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net

Re: Changes to make MySQL vs. MariaDB less confusing

. I'm not sure why it wasn't just orphaned, since AFAIK it still works, still maintained, and there's no direct replacement. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http

Re: Fedora minimal install no tar tool?

and install additional packages. Core hasn't changed much in a while; if you want vim-enhanced (vim-minimal is in Core), screen, etc., then install more than just Core. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

reports logs files as using twice as much space. How is _anything_ (programs, users, admins) supposed to know how much free space is left on btrfs? This behavior seems like an admin's nightmare. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Rakesh Pandit

patched it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=465859 -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

with additional configuration, and that configuration will vary widely between setups and MTAs. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

sponsors, we can achieve great things. If that doesn't agree with your goals, then IMHO you should find another distribution. This will be my only post in this thread. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

some kind of issue with Red Hat and its employees. I don't know (or really care) why, but please stop throwing rocks at them on the Fedora mailing lists. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: On 07/22/2013 06:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com said: On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk))

to touch them again for a long time. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

the journalctl output, options, etc. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

functionality. Well, you are wanting two different things: a clock manager and a one-shot NTP server tester. You could always use check_ntp from Nagios plugins for the one-shot. :) -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

or the high way. That is Lennart's standard behavior. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

ntpdate for a long time now, so I have no problem with it going away. However, while the proposal subject is to remove ntpdate, you then go into changing the way ntpd is used, which is bad (and not obvious from the subject). -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: On Wed, 17.07.13 07:57, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Marc Deop i Argemí m...@marcdeop.com said: That terribly sounds like my way or the high way. That is Lennart's standard behavior

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

else. You just have to assume somebody is telling the truth and move forward. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

) If the root filesystem is ext4, you could use the last write time as a starting point. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd (fwd)

-standard install; chrony is in the Standard group in comps. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

. systemd should NOT provide syslog, since it is not providing a syslog service (it is an alternate system logging setup that can receive messages via the syslog socket). That virtual provides makes it harder for people that want a syslog service. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing

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