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Unless there are any issues with gpg, and to my knowledge there aren't, I can't
see any important reason to default 'gpg' to 'gpg2', at least not for f24.
I will say that if this is done, we need to be able to use the normal
alternatives system (update-alternatives) to change what's used,
t; Miro
> I've created a wiki page here:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/3DPrinting
>
> Feel free to add yourselves and improve the page in any way.
>
As I see it, the logical next step is to create an article for the
Community Blog. If you would like to coordinate on this, we
doraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.
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I'm definitely interested. I have added my information to the wiki
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What is the reason for builders running permissive, rather than with a tailored
targeted policy?
On March 24, 2019 11:25:14 PM EDT, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>On 3/24/19 6:57 PM, Jerry James wrote:
>> I ask because the gcl build is failing on every architecture. The
>gcl
>> binary segfaults
I don't know what it's like with GNOME, but running KDE spin with the
compositor set to use XRender APIs, I have had no issues with various Nvidia
cards both without their nasty proprietary code thrown into an otherwise
pristine system.
On March 26, 2019 7:13:18 PM EDT, Wolfgang Ulbrich
If anything of the like, /etc/dnf.repos.d makes more sense. These repos are not
necessarily part of the distro.
On March 13, 2019 11:46:12 AM EDT, Theodore Papadopoulo
wrote:
>On 3/13/19 4:03 PM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 7:50 AM, Kalev Lember
>> wrote:
>>> Please
`rpm` does not care what repositories your system has available, it doesn't
work with them directly. That name would make no sense.
On March 15, 2019 6:31:40 AM EDT, "Samuel Rakitničan"
wrote:
>> If anything of the like, /etc/dnf.repos.d makes more sense. These
>repos are not
>> necessarily
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:57:37 AM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel
wrote:
> On 9/11/19 2:18 AM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
> > Feel free to ignore any such wording that you disagree with. We don't need
> > to agree in order to discuss such things, and it's alright
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 3:57:22 AM MST vvs vvs wrote:
> I'm sorry, but where did you saw that I said something about i686 *kernel*?
> I think that I explicitly mentioned *x86_64* kernel with i686 userland and
> described why it could be beneficial for some users with limited memory.
> As
On Saturday, September 7, 2019 11:44:59 AM MST Victor V. Shkamerda wrote:
> I totally agree with that view. Making such decisions without public
> discussion is not respecting user's freedom of choice. And this list
> doesn't count as a public discussion. Nobody will know about it outside a
> very
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 1:50:17 AM MST vvs vvs wrote:
> That's nice to know Fedora's developers point of view on that subject. But
> I'm not subscribing to that view. I'm with Richard Stallman. And now I
> clearly see why he is opposed to OSS paradigm. Looks like I was in a wrong
> place for
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:05:39 PM MST Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 7:00 AM vvs vvs wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry, but where did you saw that I said something about i686
> > *kernel*? I think that I explicitly mentioned *x86_64* kernel with i686
> > userland and
On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 12:41:14 PM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel
wrote:
> On 9/10/19 7:55 AM, vvs vvs wrote:
>
> > Did I? I thought that I've said that I'm using x86_64 kernel right now and
> > that I have my memory stretched to the limits already.
>
> >
> >
> > But yes, I've
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:08:53 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 9/10/19 11:18 PM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > Feel free to ignore any such wording that you disagree with. We don't need
> > to agree in order to discuss such things, and it's alright if we
>
Hi, I think we lost your message when you sent it. The only thing that came
through was a quote of the previous few messages.
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On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:35:39 PM MST Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:41 AM John M. Harris Jr.
>
> wrote:
> > Further, nothing in that email is what I
> > would describe as "uncivilized". I'm not asking people to necessarily
> > a
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:28:31 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 9/10/19 11:01 PM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:54:50 AM MST Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> >> Sure there are... from the change page:
> >>
> >>
On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:54:50 AM MST Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On 9/9/19 9:34 PM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
> > There's no reason to drop x86 kernel builds either.
>
> Sure there are... from the change page:
>
> "The i686 kernel is of limited use as most x
On Monday, September 9, 2019 4:32:45 AM MST Ernestas Kulik wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-09-09 at 04:26 -0700, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > On Monday, September 9, 2019 3:07:54 AM MST Felipe Borges wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:56 AM John M. Harris Jr. &
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 9:59:03 PM MST Tomas Popela wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:06 PM Ernestas Kulik wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-09-06 at 14:26 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I upgraded to F31 recently, and I now I noticed that the gnome top
> > > bar is
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 9:06:43 PM MST Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 11:44 PM John M. Harris Jr.
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:05:39 PM MST Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun
On Monday, September 9, 2019 3:07:54 AM MST Felipe Borges wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:56 AM John M. Harris Jr.
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, September 8, 2019 9:59:03 PM MST Tomas Popela wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:06 PM Ernestas Ku
On Monday, September 9, 2019 4:43:18 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 9/9/19 11:52 AM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > That's now how vulnerabilities work, and just being 64 bit doesn't solve
> > any security issue.
>
>
> ht
On Monday, September 9, 2019 5:16:23 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 9/9/19 1:47 PM, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > ASLR has nothing to do with the wild claims made in that email, that
> > having an
x86 system will somehow taint or 'infect' other systems.
>
On Monday, September 9, 2019 12:09:49 PM MST vvs vvs wrote:
> Ok, now I see that Fedora is just for activists. If I'm not one of them then
> I don't deserve any possibility to use it and should blame myself. Thanks
> for explaining it to me.
Please don't let the hostilities of this list get to
On Monday, September 9, 2019 6:42:35 AM MST Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 06:22:46AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
> > The system I'm sending this email from only has 4 GiB of memory in
> > total. Does that mean that this system makes ASLR completely
> >
On Monday, September 9, 2019 10:29:23 AM MST Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 14:52:07 -,
> vvs vvs wrote:
>
> >May be there are more interested people that we know, but they are not
> >reading that list. There will just be just every man for himself and
> >Fedora has
On Monday, September 9, 2019 8:51:48 AM MST Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 04:39:47AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr. wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > This is precisely the issue with GNOME entirely. It assumes the user
> > > > shouldn't
> >
On Monday, September 9, 2019 8:36:45 AM MST vvs vvs wrote:
> There is no either right or wrong stance here. We are discussing possible
> alternatives to "just drop it" attitude.
> What work should be done? Please, be more specific. Right now I'm running a
> i686 userland and it works. If I would
On Monday, September 9, 2019 11:58:08 AM MST vvs vvs wrote:
> I would argue that it might be difficult to distinguish work needed to find
> out if it was i686 specific when there already is similar bug on x86_64.
> Also, it's difficult to rate bug importance for most users. As I've already
> said
On Monday, September 9, 2019 1:00:51 PM MST Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 07:57:20PM -, vvs vvs wrote:
>
> > Well, thanks for sharing.
> >
> > I'm not complaining that nobody wants to fix things for me. I'm
> > complaining because there is no possibility to fix things
On Monday, September 9, 2019 12:44:42 PM MST DJ Delorie wrote:
> "vvs vvs" writes:
>
> > Ok, now I see that Fedora is just for activists. If I'm not one of
> > them then I don't deserve any possibility to use it and should blame
> > myself. Thanks for explaining it to me.
>
>
> I think you're
Why exactly is systemd-sysusers needed here anyway? Do you not have a passwd
and shadow file?
On September 16, 2019 5:41:04 PM UTC, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
>On Mo, 16.09.19 09:45, Troy Dawson (tdaw...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> systemd-sysusers seeks to unify user creation[1]. It also has the
What architecture are you running?
On September 17, 2019 8:19:03 PM UTC, sixpack13 wrote:
>just upgraded from F30 to F31 Beta *WITHOUT* any errors !
>
>neat !
>
>thanks Fedora People !!!
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that we have
>been trying to solve ALL of it, and it might be better aimed at
>pointing at a specific subset and getting the people there to join
>together. It probably won't be in Fedora since the goals of the
>distribution may not match.
>
>> On September 17, 2019 8:50:23 PM UTC,
and Firefox both build for i686 without issue. Further, I don't
know software that requires more than 4 GiB of memory to compile.
On September 17, 2019 11:15:56 PM UTC, Stephen John Smoogen
wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:28, John M. Harris, Jr.
> wrote:
>>
>> These are generic serv
I do mean 32 bit. Contrary to what is published in the Magazine article, x86
systems are still produced to this day, and are not unpopular. I have 14 of
such systems, 4 produced within the last year.
On September 17, 2019 8:50:23 PM UTC, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>On 9/17/19 1:48 PM, John M. Har
I have 14 systems that failed to update to F31 (predictably so). These are x86
systems, which previously had no major issues. I have reverted to a previous
snapshot using a recovery disk.
On September 17, 2019 2:04:37 PM UTC, Mohan Boddu wrote:
>Fedora 31 Beta Released
t;old" stuff in Fedora (i686), but now
>you want to revert/remove "new" stuff (modules) too? I'm beginning to
>think that Fedora just isn't a good fit for you.
>
>On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 06:22:52PM +, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
>> Removing modules is a potenti
Removing modules is a potential solution to this, as it would simplify package
management.
On September 18, 2019 8:29:49 AM UTC, Petr Pisar wrote:
>On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> Error:
>> Problem 1: package crypto-utils-2.5-4.fc29.x86_64 requires
>> libperl.so.5.28()(64bit), but
Agreed, especially when there is little to no call for such a thing.
For example, Python 2 and Python 3 can and do coexist. i686 builds can coexist
with x86_64 builds.
On September 18, 2019 9:56:49 AM UTC, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
>John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
>> These are generic serve
ew Jędrzejewski-Szmek"
wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56:49AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
>> > These are generic servers. I can provide a link to the vendor's
>website
>> > when I get home. It is not Dell, Lenovo or simila
Thank you for this link, looks like there's not a lot of issues, and most are
closed.
On September 18, 2019 4:59:33 PM UTC, Michael Cronenworth
wrote:
>On 9/17/19 7:01 PM, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
>> The thing is, i686 still works. The kernel still builds as well,
>without issue
On Monday, September 16, 2019 11:49:52 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 06:45:09PM +0000, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
>
> > Why exactly is systemd-sysusers needed here anyway? Do you not have a
> > passwd and shadow file?
>
> systemd-s
On Friday, September 13, 2019 1:57:05 AM MST Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 9/13/19 1:38 AM, vvs vvs wrote:
>
> > But there should be some reason for that lack of interested volunteers in
> > Fedora. Right now I'm looking at stats for other distributions which are
> > not going to drop i686 any time
That wouldn't work, as the systems do not support 64 bit.
On September 19, 2019 8:59:55 PM UTC, Matthew Miller
wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 03:19:38PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 13:15:08 -0700,
>> You can crossgrade using dnf. I wrote about it a few weeks ago.
We had Java in Fedora long before modules, but not having a Java module would
certainly be the case in that scenario, and that'd be fine. We've been able to
install multiple different Java versions on the same Fedora install for some
time now, something which is not possible with modules.
On
dora.
Fedora does not maintain RPMFusion. We literally cannot support nvidia's
proprietary drivers, as.. they're proprietary.
Have a good one.
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This is, most likely, still the case today as well.
I don't know why some people think it's a good idea to move to GitHub, a
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On Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:42:57 AM MST Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:49:08PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the same reason that many people still run i686 based hardware,
> > and will be unable to use Fedora after the release of
ased yet haven't been fixed. GRUB is Open Source, so I'd love to
> hear the excuse for that.
What errors or warnings are you talking about?
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> blamed for the bug despite this not being an issue on any other Linux
> distro.
It's an issue on several other distros. Basically, anything modern. Please
file a bug report with nvidia.
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dedicated VMs on hyperconverged infrastructure, NOT containers. It's possible
that this is Red Hat's attempt to get in on that market?
It is clear, at this point, that this is something that is only designed to
benefit Red Hat, and not the Fedora community.
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On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 8:24:02 AM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Dear maintainers,
> here is a list of packages that (transitively, at build or run time) require
>
Python 2 and have not yet got a FESCo exception to do so.
> If you were bcced on this e-mail, it affects one or more of your
e prefer to do as well!
So, it's weird to me, as a Red Hat customer, that Red Hat wants to push
"modules" and all that, which only make things more of a pain for us
enterprise admins..
That said, while those corps may have "deep pockets", please keep in mind that
the IT de
On Friday, November 8, 2019 3:20:33 PM MST Daniel Walsh wrote:
> On 11/8/19 5:16 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 12:09:55 PM MST Martin Kolman wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 19:41 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>
>
ns of packages as X
version of Y package will break package Z, generally not in the ebuild either.
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hours to build the kernel I use, on
the Asus C201P itself. It takes 40 minutes at most on my other laptop, a Core
2 Duo X200 Tablet @ 1.2GHz.
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> needs to adapt to that. Holding the line and refusing to budge just
> means people will go around us and stop considering us relevant.
This is simply not true. Debian is another clear example of this.
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the inability to
install multiple versions invalidates that?
For example, one of the issues I'm trying to resolve at work is providing both
Python 2.7 and Python 3.5 on RHEL 6.
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we wouldn't need to address the issues that come from
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> of goals.)
In my opinion, there's nothing about Modularity that is more appealing to
"newer-generation infra types and software developers" than traditional
packages. Ultimately, these people just want something that works.
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"moved" to modules has screwed over the Eclipse packagers, for example, and
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:02:07 AM MST Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> Again, no one forces you or any other packager to use modularity
> tooling right now.
This is not actually the case. We have several major packages which are ONLY
available as modules, for example.
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If that software was to be packaged, in this case, you'd simply:
Requires: python3
change the shebang to /path/to/my/python3
However, I believe there's a third option here. It could be as
something in one of the installer images used
that python3-static package, which I admittedly did not consider.
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2) Have modules disabled by default, with the option to enable them if you
wish, perhaps even transparently by installing package:moduleversion?
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be viable option. With all it's weirdness so
> far no one gave better solution working to that extend at least.
I'm sorry, but I don't know the exact issue you're describing here. I'd be
glad to give a go at solving this particular issue, using traditional RPMs
alone.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 7:24:16 AM MST Matthew Miller wrote:
> We have a big company _investment_, but I don't think it's a divide.
> That's the one I live in.
This is clearly not the case, though I understand why, as the FPL, you would
want to say such a thing.
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modular package.
> >
> >
>
> If packager does not build Bugzilla for the modular Perl, then of course
> the user has no choice. But talk about a case when the user and the
> package wants to have a choice.
It seems, based on what you've said, that Modules
recisely Miro's point. If there are no inherent benefits
to default modular streams, why should we have "default streams" instead of
simply having non-modular packages?
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`dnf install bugzilla`, and use the version that is packaged as a non-modular
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same, at all.
Python 2 and Python 3 are inherently incompatible, and many programs WILL NOT
be migrated to Python 3. In fact, we're simply dropping many packages, some
were even explicitly denied an exception, that refused to "upgrade" to Python
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There are a *lot* of useful, working Python 2 packages here. The future of
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On Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:07:57 PM MST John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> There are a *lot* of useful, working Python 2 packages here. The future of
> Fedora will certainly be interesting.
Looking through this list, it's really a shame that so many good, working
packages are being r
a cached key to unlock their home directory?
While some users might not be logged in constantly (either graphically, via
SSH, a virtual terminal, screen/tmux session or whatever), it is much more
common for users to have cron jobs or user units set up.
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n definitely see how that would apply to most wireless users
though. I definitely overlooked ssh'ing into systems that are primarily
wireless.
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in network based keys for that purpose, that'd be a surprisingly simple
project. I believe there was a blog post from a Red Hat engineer a few years
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> How often do you ssh *into* your laptop?
Every time I'm on another system without access to my NFS server, or I need my
GnuPG key when not using my laptop.
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t if
> you SSH login otherwise then you'd get a prompt for the pw first.
Is the key's passphrase always going to be based on the user's password with
systed-homed? Is there a mechanism to use a separate password?
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> 4. If based on any fscrypt implementation, exclude ~/.ssh/ from encryption
That's a bad idea. That directory, by default, contains ssh private keys, as
well as the list of authorized keys. A better workaround would be similar to
what is
points, swaps on a ZFS zdev.
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ctually do anything that makes them inherently secure, vboot
included. They're just trusting a vendor key, by default.
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Agreed. One of the most common solutions to this is coreboot with a GRUB
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That is a workaround, not a solution.
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:02:07 PM MST Kevin Kofler wrote:
> John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> > Well, you could theoretically use ssh-agent (or equivalent), without
> > changing the protocol in any way.
>
>
> You need protocol support to do this securely
therefore I'm not sure what your goal
> posts are, what two things you're comparing.
It may be the case that the GNOME Spin doesn't support that, but it is
supported with the KDE Spin. I don't think it's likely that anything in the
GNOME image would break that, but it's possible I suppose.
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one they use primarily.. Just like everyone
else :)
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:56:39 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:38 PM John M. Harris Jr
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> > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:28:17 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > > You know what is a work around and not a
On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:08:31 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM John M. Harris Jr
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> > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:41:13 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at
On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:41:13 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:09:55 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019
each their own. I still build my systems with 1*RAM, and set the swappiness
as appropriate. It seems to work out well for me, and so I can only recommend
that others give it a try, to see if it works for them.
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op of having said you are unconcerned with GNOME and don't
> care about the outcome. If you don't care, why are you still arguing?
GNOME is not the only desktop environment in Fedora.
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ce. It's essentially a specialized storage device, that only
stores keys, with a few extensions to use those keys. On many vendors, the TPM
includes a key that CANNOT BE REMOVED, which belongs to Microsoft or an OEM.
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On Friday, December 6, 2019 11:22:34 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 7:46 AM John M. Harris Jr
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> > On Thursday, December 5, 2019 8:12:13 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > > Using the word to be defined in the definitio
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