Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:32 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, that doesn't really work, since upstart and systemd would fight for the /sbin/init name. If we want the system to boot into systemd by default /sbin/init must be linekd to /bin/systemd. systemd provides compatibility with

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 20:48 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 14.07.10 13:45, Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) wrote: To achieve what you want to do upstart would need to support something similar: make it possible to install it without insisting on the /sbin/init file name

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [long comparsion elided...] Or to explain this with a table, showing you what verbs most people would probably use for four kinds (of the ten) of objects that are managed by systemd: Services: Started | Stopped Socket:

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:31:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Are packages really expected to ship .rules files? I don't think so: Right, as I understand it, with the new system, applications are never ever supposed to ship such rules files. Yes, that's

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any notable issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have the whole F19 cycle to find and detect the few

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19

2013-02-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - I have taken ownership of the following packages: gnome-icon-theme, gnome-backgrounds, libnotify, hicolor-icon-theme, dbus-python, gpointing-device-settings, gnome-media, gtk-solidity-settings, udisks in addition to also recently taking ConsoleKit and cpptest.

Re: festival [was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19]

2013-02-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:04:36 -0500, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 07:38:30AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Anyone else want to work with me on this, or at least help keep it limping along until the next release

Re: system freezes after loading gdm/gnome

2013-02-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
We've figured out now that putting i915.i915_enable_rc6=0 on the kernel commandline works around the issue. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19 - March 4 update

2013-03-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - Gnome maintainers: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/polkit-gnome Complete orphan. Please add yourselves (halfline, mclasen, ajax, mcann, whoever is interested) We don't need polkit-gnome anymore, gnome-shell has its own polkit agent builtin.

Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hi, I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the gdm login screen. Grub in particular is problematic, with a starfield

Re: Mission Impossible #1: qt without gtk

2013-04-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 19:38 +0400, Eugene A. Pivnev wrote: 30.04.2013 19:26, David Howells: Eugene Pivnev ti.eug...@gmail.com wrote: 3. rpm -qa | grep gnome | xargs sudo yum remove * git (???) gitk, I imagine. David No. Exactly gnome: bash-4.2$ rpm -q --requires git | grep gnome

Re: Mission Impossible #1: qt without gtk

2013-05-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 11:46 +0400, Eugene Pivnev wrote: Whether I have to create bugreports? Creating patches would be more interesting. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 00:26 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 05/03/2013 03:08 PM, Reartes Guillermo wrote: I think that the previous behaviour was better. (covering the password with bullets). At least the phones only show one character at a time, not the whole password. GTK

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 09:21 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:36:51PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I was referring to the decision to show the password in full when the user is typing it. Many UI decisions are

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 11:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 12:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 00:26 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 05/03/2013 03:08 PM, Reartes Guillermo wrote: I think that the previous behaviour was better. (covering

Re: F-19 Branched report: 20130508 changes

2013-05-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 11:47 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: Umm hi, Who obsoleted gnome-panel? It is required by a ton of packages. We did, because GNOME no longer uses gnome-panel. All those packages that require gnome-panel are applets, which are just as useless without gnome-panel. If you want

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: but still, it seems to be worth considering. Alternatively, we could make i-s behave a lot more like g-i-s: it

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 09:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Great. It's probably a bit late for Beta, but it would be awesome if we could get it to behave as intended for final: hide unnecessary functions and don't run unless needed (so in practice it'd only ever run to show the user creation

Re: Possible alternative behaviours for user creation at install time (was Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?)

2013-05-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 17:22 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: If someone wants to make user creation mandatory I think they should first provide a working method to select external account providers in anaconda. If that can't be done they should leave account creation optional. Although it being a

Installed tests

2013-05-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hi, in upstream GNOME, we're starting to convert the 'make check' style tests in many modules into installed tests that can be run against an installed system. We run these tests in our build system whenever a build completes. You can see this in action here: http://build.gnome.org/#gnome-ostree

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: As things stand, in Fedora 19, it's basically impossible to configure remote authentication from the install/firstboot process. If you want to use remote auth, you'd have to create a local user first and then do it using whatever tools

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 14:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958426 - 19 Final TC1 x86_64 Desktop Live is oversized (larger than 1 GB) - desktop team (I know you're working on it) I've filed an update with some 20 packages, only removing excess

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 22:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: So here's some results. f2e707287dd82cccb05a3fef6b75cb356744ca58 (Jun 14), no update: 1019215872 f2e707287dd82cccb05a3fef6b75cb356744ca58 (Jun 14), update: 1017118720 1a0c28fdf638796bda60ed2785f95eac16a85b65 (Jun 22), update:

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 09:14 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: - We have both js and mozjs17. js is still used by gjs, libpeas, libproxy-mozjs and gnome-shell. Possible savings: 7M I thought Colin was fixing everything to use mosjz17. Is that a F-20 thing? It missed f19, yes. -- devel

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 09:15 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 18:04:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: rpm db 82M I vaguely remember a discussion about dropping this for live images because

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-07-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 13:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:05:56AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I like the idea of 19.1 pretty unofficially or untested, which fix some issues on mac installs. Which is basically someone run pungi with new boot installer stuff. We

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 18:31 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: How do we treat Desktop items where the package compiles fine but does not run well without external drivers (the GNOME on ARM conversation earlier ) Or am I misreading that conversation. The same way as we do now. In some cases

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 11:12 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller Change owner(s): Richard Hughes rhug...@redhat.com, together with the

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:51 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:02:24 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller Change owner(s): Richard Hughes

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller To improve some problematic aspects of the updates user experience (long waits, locks), we will use the new hawkey

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:46 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Policies and guidelines: * No immediate changes needed; longer-term, we probably want to make changes to way applications are distributed and installed * The update experience will also benefit from proposed changes to batch

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 13:41 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: [lots of reasonable criteria snipped] And also therefore, if you're intending to ship/support a desktop use case (which, from the F19 ARM deliverables seems to be the case), then the same one that's the default on other primary arches

Re: cloud images and journald/rsyslog

2013-07-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 18:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I'm also pretty well sold on the idea that journald is better on the desktop. But that's not my thing. I agree. I would also like to stop the double-logging on the desktop. We're working on a graphical journal frontend now, and we will

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI

2013-07-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:48 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: FreeIPA OTP UI = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPAv3OTPUI Change owner(s): Nathaniel McCallum npmccal...@fedoraproject.org FreeIPA will gain a user interface for managing users' OTP tokens.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
It really feels like this discussion is beyond its peak usefulness. Maybe we can give another shot of relevance by collecting a list of packages that depend on syslog (or are useless without /var/log/messages or other log files in /var/log) ? I've heard logwatch, logrotate and fail2ban

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to see your sign off

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 12:25 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Even running the latest and greatest rawhide nothing desktop-side caught a very basic event like a failing disk! GNOME Disks is supposed to pop up a

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've found it very hard to find the right place to jump into this discussion. So, I'll just put out some of my own thoughts about what I want to see out of Fedora, and then point out how I think this matches or contrasts with Matts proposal. Fedora should be an *OS*. Here are some of the

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 14:35 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: NB I don't care if esound / arts remain in Fedora or not, but if we want to kill them off, lets be consistent and kill them everywhere, not just disable them in SDL We tried:

Re: BlueZ Status in Fedora.

2013-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 15:04 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 08:37:19PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: Otherwise we are looking at possibly reforking gnome-bluetooth at this point in time. Reforking?

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-08-14)

2013-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 08:42 +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: Actually no, the system is all hacked up and works in a super-abusive way, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=979083 That bug is really an illustration why it is just wrong to keep information about the update history in a

Re: adam's grump of the day: icons in fonts (was Re: web-assets-httpd stuck in limbo?)

2014-01-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:31 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:59 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: * Another individual thought that all web authors are stupid for wanting to use fancy fonts and that I am wasting my time. (He might be right about that last bit... :-P)

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 23:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 01:01 -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 01/20/2014 11:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: The bug currently under discussion was caused by a change that came in inadvertently, not intentionally, and was actually intended

a questionable dependency chain

2014-01-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've switched to rawhide yesterday, and discovered that vinagre now forces rsyslog onto my system. That's not great. The dependency chain goes something like this: vinagre - spice - libcacard - ... glusterfs ... - rsyslog-mmjsonparse - rsyslog I think there's at least two questionable links in

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-01-31 at 06:03 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: What this does reveal is a bigger problem: that the audiences of at least some of the spins are not aware of this relationship to the larger Fedora ecosystem. This would indicate that the dropping or de-promoting the spins might

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-01-31 at 14:34 +0100, Lukáš Tinkl wrote: Fedora isn't a Gnome OS, perhaps that's what they're trying to convey; making it one will most probably create less confusion but I'm sure it will also make us less relevant (my personal opinion). Not sure why that was necessary, but

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads advertisements from the web and shows them to users? I think allowed is probably the wrong term to use here. Fedora packaging rules on what is allowed to be included have pretty much focused on legality of packages. ie

Re: Proposal to WGs and rel-eng: Move 90-default.preset from systemd to fedora-release

2014-02-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 07:43 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Very much +1. Putting it in kickstarts is a worse tying problem than putting it in a package: it ties this configuration mechanism to a system for creating deliverables, which is what kickstart is. We need to be moving away from

Re: [Fedora-packaging] May I file 1000 bugs aka upstream test suite tracking

2014-02-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 16:51 +0200, Alexander Todorov wrote: I want to track which packages *DO NOT* have any tests and later be able to focus on creating them (be it working with volunteers, GSoC participants or whoever is willing to step up to this task). In that case, I suggest simply

Re: Packages with missing %check

2014-02-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 16:58 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-02-26 14:11 GMT+01:00 Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org: The *very first* test I run is does the OS still boot? That's called smoketest for me, and it only takes a few minutes. That seems to be

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 16:16 +0200, Ric Wheeler wrote: I am fine with something like what is proposed by Steve above - let users have the GUI present an option that gives preference to the default without totally hiding other options. You and Josef are sending mixed messages here: btrfs

Re: Read this if your package includes a status notifier / system tray icon

2014-03-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-03-05 at 20:04 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: --+- GTK+ (2 or 3) | You must use Canonical's libappindicator, which is | interoperable with the KDE implementation. It is

Re: Read this if your package includes a status notifier / system tray icon

2014-03-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 00:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: That was the excuse for not supporting the spec in GNOME Shell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2010-January/011228.html A very bad excuse, considering that, as I pointed out, the spec GNOME proposes using instead (the Galago

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 15:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Just for the more-public-record, I remain pretty sure this is a bad idea and don't think we should allow it. You should always be considered to be running exactly 0 or 1 Products. I think we should consider how to allow things like

Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem reports with the copr packages, besides

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the Things that would make it less likely to grant a request list. But, on the other hand, by having a

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 08:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 07:50:37AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I would say in the long run we should be working towards creating separated locale,doc,man packages Hmm, I wonder if RPM 4.12 would allow us to do this with weak

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 20:41 +0200, Thomas Woerner wrote: What you need is clearly different zones that the user can configure and associate to networks, with the default being that you trust nothing and everything is firewalled when you roam a new network. We have that already with

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 03:59 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The whole confusion is because the feature was initially written for 3.12 but then the whole .next thing happened. In short the text needs to be updated. Matthias updated it, I asked him but probably it needs more updates. Sorry,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 16:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Is this about integrating this work in Fedora? Or more porting work? Or even make Wayland the default in F21? The section How To Test sounds as if the later is the case, but it's not entirely clear to me. I've tried to clarify the

Re: Incorrect order of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in path

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 16:19 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: It's a practical way to keep helpers out of path and autocomplete without polluting /usr/lib[64] and having to deal with multilib issues, what's pointless about it ? It causes pointless configure and Makefile complications in every

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for your system) kernel update available. In that case one really wouldn't expect the running

Re: How to restart dbus service?

2014-07-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 16:21 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 16:11 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Hi, how can I restart dbus service, registered via systemd unit? To be specific, I have in system: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.a11y.atspi.Registry.service with:

Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've decided to orphan some packages: ORBit2 at-spi eog-plugins gamin gnome-themes icon-naming-tools libIDL libglade2 libgnomecanvas Please pick them up if you are interested in them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 13:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, As I was curious of any of my packages depends on any of these I've run some repoqueries to see what depends on these, and we still have a ton of dependencies on these. So unless we want to drop a ton of packages, we really

Re: blivet-gui announcement

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:55 +0200, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 09:04 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - Good news, everyone! We (me and CC'd Vojtech Trefny) would like to introduce you the next generation tool for storage management -- the

Re: blivet-gui announcement

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 20:53 +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: system-config-lvm was removed from rhel7 while g-d-u is not able to configure lvm. so it _definitely_ a step forward. and really not agree with you about the root user usage. you imho those who would like to configure disk and lvm

Re: On-demand launching via socket activation

2014-09-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 09:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Should I apply for an exception of some sort, or does the socket activation policy need revisiting? It's also worth noting that FESCo granted the WGs the rights to make decisions like this, so I'd recommend asking the

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 16:21 +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: Has Fedora given up Unix ?? This thread has gone quite far out into the weeds. It started with a fairly concrete question: can we improve the offline update experience by requiring only a single reboot, instead of two ? I'd still be

Re: The Shimmer Project - Desktop Suites GTK+ 3

2014-10-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 22:20 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote: They have completey rewritten Adwaita and integrated it into GTK. If they change it again, it'll be hard for them too. But let's hope for the best :D Even better to just talk to 'them' - we are right here, and happy to answer questions.

Re: How to include fonts in Gnome Software?

2014-10-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 10:49 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Hello, I noticed Titillium typeface is unlisted in Gnome Software. How to include it? I tried to look at the documentation about the process but not available. Hey Luya, I see these fonts here:

Re: btrfs as default filesystem for F22?

2014-10-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 13:24 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote: Thanks James... I am aware of all the warnings. They might as well put up a skull crossbones. I have all my data backed up twice. But this is my point... you don't say

Re: Proposal for integration tests infrastructure

2014-11-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 04:56 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: This looks related to: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/InstalledTests (Note that the Issues with make check is equivalent to issues with rpm %check) It's implemented by gnome-continuous, and there's been a bit of effort to make

Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora

2014-11-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 09:43 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:33 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: * The backlight eats a ton of battery - 4W for the display backlight and 1W for the keyboard backlight. If you are getting poor battery life, turn off the keyboard backlight and turn the screen down. But how do we fix this for all

Re: Tick-tock release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 09:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: What do you think? Would this help towards the goals listed above? Would it help _other_ things? What downsides would it bring? I think it is not useful to set up a general mechanism of alternating releases and borrow a name for it

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 17:08 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bastien Nocera: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Settings - Network, select your network - Identity -

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 01:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: To me, it is obvious that the Workstation WG is in deliberate contempt of FESCo's decision. That alone ought to lead to sanctions from FESCo. In addition, FESCo's decision must be implemented properly by a security update ASAP. A

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Robert Marcano wrote: I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice before the user reboots (on Workstation product). Offline updates are

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)

2014-12-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 10:18 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: On 12/13/2014 12:54 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 09:38:52AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/12/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2014-12-17 at 18UTC)

2014-12-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 04:33 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: Hey, - Original Message - Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. snip #topic ticket #1372 Workstation Product

Re: FESCo Elections results

2015-02-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2015-02-05 at 14:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: # votes | name - +-- 1427 | Kevin Fenzi 1247 | Adam Jackson 919 | Tomas Hozza 818 | Parag Nemade 617 | Debarshi Ray ← GNOME developer -

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

2015-01-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 13:24 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications =

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 01:26 +, Naheem Zaffar wrote: On 26 January 2015 at 22:52, Will Woods wwo...@redhat.com wrote: (As an aside, PackageKit should also support these operations, so we can use PackageKit to make a Upgrade GUI Thing.) Gnome

Re: another input/output question (libinput / pulseaudio / ....)

2015-02-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 08:44 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: However, especially for libinput, it gets hazy and also mostly pointless. aside from some special processing required for touchpads and tablets, we don't care much _what_ a device is, we just pass on the events. If a device has keys,

Changes in the f22 workstation

2015-02-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in

Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

2015-03-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next

Re: dnssec-trigger + GNOME + NetworkManager integration

2015-06-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 18:43 +0200, Tomas Hozza wrote: Hey, I was out for a week, so this may be a bit of a late reply. As Michael and Bastien already stated, all the GNOME networking UI relies on information gotten from NetworkManager, and we'd like to keep it that way. In particular,

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Standardized Passphrase Policy

2015-06-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 12:21 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Standardized Passphrase Policy = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Standardized_passphrase_policy Change owner(s): * Kevin Fenzi kevin at scrye dot com * David Cantrell dcantrell at redhat dot com *

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-06-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2015-06-12 at 09:57 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Matthias Clasen wrote: I've just installed dnssec-trigger on rawhide to try this out, and found that it breaks networking on my Workstation. I used to get a network connection on login, now I get a question mark

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-06-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2015-06-12 at 10:58 +0200, Tomas Hozza wrote: 3. NM waits for some signal from unbound/dnssec-trigger about the trustability of the DNS server If you think NM needs to do some action (as I don't), we don't have problem with notifying NM (if you provide some API). This is your

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-07-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you have already any candidates for File Triggers? I suppose /sbin/ldconfig is one of them. Do you plan to have some F24 feature to get rid of these? Here is a list of candidates:

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-08-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 09:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 28.7.2015 v 18:15 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you have already any candidates for File Triggers? I suppose /sbin/ldconfig is one of them. Do you

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

2015-08-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2015-08-01 at 03:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: You're just 8 years late for noticing that: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/xse ttings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c#n79 and the explanation has been here for 4 years. That is not the

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

2015-07-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 12:47 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:27:45 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to keep packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, gnome-python2, pyhton2 to

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 10:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing

Re: Fedora Ring 0 definition

2015-09-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 15:24 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > (Also, the original definition included Anaconda because you need > something to actually install Fedora Ring 0 with and that brought in > GTK, etc).) I think 'not self-hosting' should be understood to imply 'not self- installing' - ie don't

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 08:13 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > I'd just like to point out that we have always had the requirement > for > package that bundled libraries to carry the "Provides: > bundled(libname)" > metadata.  What's new here is not needing to go through the FPC to > get > an

Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything) bloat

2015-09-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2015-09-24 at 11:00 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2015-09-24 at 00:59 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > Bummer. The reason for libxkbcommon dependency is to be able to > > make > > sure that the new config is valid. Before that was added we had a > > set > > of rules

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

2015-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 05:31 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi > I'm ambivolent on the subject. If flat volumes become a problem, I > know > how to turn them off. However, I think because of all the complaints > here by people who have a very good track record and don't complain > often, this seems

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