Re: F37 proposal: Linux Firmware Minimization (late System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:29 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022, 1:54 PM Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Linux_Firmware_Minimization > > > This proposal has been withdrawn by the owners. All my hopes and dreams dashed with this statement. :( -- 真実は

Re: F37 proposal: Linux Firmware Minimization (late System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:57 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Linux_Firmware_Minimization > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will on

Re: F37 proposal: Linux Firmware Minimization (late System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 2:10 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1 2022 at 01:54:58 PM -0400, Ben Cotton > wrote: > > A DNF plugin will be written to make use of the `Supplements` metadata > > to automatically install the appropriate firmware packages based on > > the hardware present on t

Re: F37 Change Proposal: Unfiltered Flathub (System-Wide Change)

2022-06-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 8:11 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 12:42:07PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 30/06/2022 12:33, Artur Frenszek-Iwicki wrote: > > > That being said, what about allowing users to set this preference by > > > themselves? > > >

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: Alex Chernyakhovsky

2022-06-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:09 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 29/06/2022 18:47, Robbie Harwood wrote: > > I don't see how you got there. Nowhere does it say that the > > maintainer(s) are removed - just that one is added, and made contact for > > EPEL bugs. > > Newly added EPEL maintaine

Re: F37 Change Proposal: MAC Address Policy none (System-Wide Change)

2022-06-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:06 PM Vipul Siddharth wrote: > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved > by the Fedora Engineering Steerin

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 7:59 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 07:46:29AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 4:49 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 08:43:18PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrot

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 4:49 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 08:43:18PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:14 PM Demi Marie Obenour > > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/25/22 07:56, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > >

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:14 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 6/25/22 07:56, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > On 6/19/22 22:54, Sharpened Blade via devel wrote: > > > >> Use unified kernel images by default for new releases. This can allow for > >> the local installation to sign the kernel and the in

Re: [RFC] Build tag in RPM: from NVR to NVRB

2022-06-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 8:25 AM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > Hi, Miro, > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:15 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 18. 06. 22 13:05, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > I'd like to discuss how we can add Build tag in the RPM. > > > > > > As one of the k

Re: Renaming a spec file

2022-06-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:51 AM Ron Olson wrote: > > Ah, I was afraid of that, seems like a lot of trouble to remove the “-“, but > I understand why the process is necessary. > You could just add the other name as an alias using "Provides" if you want. Provides: swiftlang = %{version}-%{releas

Re: Renaming a spec file

2022-06-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:25 AM Ron Olson wrote: > > Hey all, is it possible to rename a spec file? I tried to submit a build > using “swiftlang.spec” where previously it had been “swift-lang.spec”, and > Koji complained that it couldn’t find swift-lang.spec when trying to build > the SRPM: >

Re: F37 proposal: Supplement of Server distributables by a KVM VM disk image (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-06-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 3:28 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Ben Cotton: > > > The creation of the VM disk image, uses the same kickstart files and > > installation groups as the standard full installation, except of > > course for the hardware-specific items. The image is optimized for > > KVM. >

Re: F37 proposal: Supplement of Server distributables by a KVM VM disk image (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-06-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:19 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I'm definitely in favor, but a couple of questions... > > What format image is to be produced? qcow2? or raw.xz? or something > else? > > I assume this will not be release blocking at least at first? > If it's for regular KVM, I assume qcow2.

Re: [RFC] Build tag in RPM: from NVR to NVRB

2022-06-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:28 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:15 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 3:48 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 01:05:31PM +0200, Aleksandr

Re: [RFC] Build tag in RPM: from NVR to NVRB

2022-06-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 3:48 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 01:05:31PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > We'd like to introduce Build Number/Tag/Id in the rpm metadata. > > I agree with Vitaly: %rpmautospec+%rpmautorelease seem to cover > most of this functio

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:41 AM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 6/10/22 07:45, Martin Stransky wrote: > > On 6/10/22 11:44, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > >> On 10/06/2022 05:08, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > >>> I admit I have not checked, but does ffmpeg-free include > >>> the hardware GPU suppor

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers​

2022-06-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:40 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > python-cairosvg ngompa, orion, orphan, ralph 2 weeks ago Taken over this now. > python-sqlalchemy1.3 infra-sig, orphan, python-sig0 weeks ago Taken over again and fixed the build. -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Al

Re: setting initial hostname and volume names

2022-06-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 1:43 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 09:50:17AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > However, gnome-initial-setup is a bit late because currently > > anaconda uses hostname to name your btrfs subvolumes. :( > > Changing the subject because I've caused th

Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 10:29 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:53:19PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > > Given that cloud-init, for example, can configure a system as fine-grained > > as Anaconda, I think it's more about whether a system is running in a > > managed or unmanaged en

Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 6:53 AM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 14.06.2022 um 06:25 schrieb Matthew Miller : > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:08:21PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > >> So we might have to handle this differently for desktop type and server > >> type systems. > > > > I think the key diff

Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:11 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:10 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 04:01:03PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > openSUSE uses a randomly generated suffix for default hostnames, which > &

Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:10 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 04:01:03PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > openSUSE uses a randomly generated suffix for default hostnames, which > > neatly solves this problem. It makes autodiscovery and other things > > ac

Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 3:55 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2022 at 03:27:43PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FallbackHostname > > The proposal here is to enable variants of Fedora Linux to configure > > their default/fallback hostnam

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:10 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:33 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: > > > > On 05/06/2022 10:02, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > > We should really start thinking about this. > > > > Yes. Patents for algorithms hinder the development of hu

Re: Enabling ffmpeg on Blender June edition

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 9:32 PM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > On 2022-06-09 10:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:26 AM Luya Tshimbalanga > wrote: > > On 2022-06-09 01:33, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:51 AM Luya Tshimbalanga

Re: Fedora Copr - EPEL-9 buildroot

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:32 PM David Sommerseth wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've been trying to complete the OpenVPN 3 Linux v18_beta release in my > Fedora Copr repository for EPEL-9. But there seems to be something odd > going on here. I tried to reach out on IRC earlier today but didn't get > much f

Re: Who checks the exception at fedora-scm-requests?

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:09 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, > > I've recently seen a package that was imported into Fedora without a package > review. I've noticed this because the packages doesn't even install and I > wanted to check if this could have been caught in the package review but I >

Re: Enabling ffmpeg on Blender June edition

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:03 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 09/06/2022 19:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > In your spec, I see you have this: "-D_ffmpeg_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include" > > It should be: "-D_ffmpeg_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/ffmpeg" > >

Re: Enabling ffmpeg on Blender June edition

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:26 AM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > On 2022-06-09 01:33, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:51 AM Luya Tshimbalanga > wrote: > > Building Blender 3.2.0 with ffmpeg support failed on the following lines: > > -Wno-unused-functio

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:44 AM Andreas Schneider wrote: > > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 10:36:19 AM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > H.264 is supported through OpenH264, and H.265 is not a popular codec. > > Aside from Apple services (which are not available to Linux users > > an

Re: Combine two Bodhi requests?

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 12:48 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:38 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > Pairs of Bodhi updates which probably should be combined so the > > packages go out together: > > > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-8f775872c9 & > > h

Re: Enabling ffmpeg on Blender June edition

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 6:43 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 09/06/2022 10:33, Neal Gompa wrote: > > It also seems to fail to find libavdevice, which means you need > > libavdevice-free-devel too. > > That's why splitting ffmpeg into multiple subpackages

Re: Enabling ffmpeg on Blender June edition

2022-06-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:51 AM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > Building Blender 3.2.0 with ffmpeg support failed on the following lines: > > -Wno-unused-function -Wno-type-limits -Wno-int-in-bool-context -Wno-switch > -Wno-unused-variable -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-implicit-fallthrough > -Wno-error=un

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:43 PM Maxwell G via devel wrote: > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:59:21 AM CDT Petr Pisar wrote: > > The problem is that RPM Fusion only targets Fedora. > > It also targets RHEL, CentOS Stream, and the various RHEL rebuilds. > For all practical purposes, that is effective

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 12:04 AM Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Could it be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2089986 ? > > > > There's an update fixing it, so please test: > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/update

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 4:40 PM Leigh Scott wrote: > > > > That is also blatantly false. The idea was posted by Andreas on > > rpmfusion-developers list in November 2021 and I (one of the FFmpeg > > maintainers) was the only one who responded. The other maintainers made > > no comments in that thre

Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:37 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 04/06/2022 22:43, Otto Urpelainen wrote: > > But the question is, what needs to be done so that ffmpeg-free will not > > suffer, either. > > ffmpeg-free is a special stripped version. Popular codecs H.264 and > H.265 were remove

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 12:19 AM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 22:42 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > > > > > It's not standard at all. We don't even test for this setup regularly. > > It's not a test case, and it's not even suppo

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 9:27 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 19:20 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > : > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:18:27AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> > >> And even those who can continue to use Fedora Server via update are under > >> the

Re: intend to orphan python-cairosvg

2022-06-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:50 AM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > Am 31.05.22 um 12:44 schrieb Felix Schwarz: > > Hi *, > > > > I'd like to orphan python-cairosvg. This package was required by older > > WeasyPrint releases but WeasyPrint v53 (Fedora 35+) stopped using cairo > > so I don't use this package

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 2:57 AM Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > On Sat, 28 May 2022 20:52:51 +0200, you wrote: > > >On 28/05/2022 19:31, drago01 wrote: > >> That's incorrect. They can be outdated, but there is no inherit reason > >> why they have to be. > > > >Most upstreams don't care about bundled l

Re: SPDX identifiers in old branches?

2022-05-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:42 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 7:16 PM Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > > > Fedora uses 'BSD' for a variety of licenses, many of which have specific > > SPDX identifiers. MIT and BSD are the most common problem areas for this > > situation. > > Right,

Re: SPDX identifiers in old branches?

2022-05-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:14 AM Petr Pisar wrote: > > V Thu, May 26, 2022 at 08:49:16AM -0500, Richard Shaw napsal(a): > > On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 8:46 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > Dne 25. 05. 22 v 14:40 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a): > > > > E, please no. Apps need to know whether a gi

Re: SPDX identifiers in old branches?

2022-05-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Neal Gompa writes: > > > I think people assume we do more with the License tag than we actually > > do. > > I think this is correct. > > > We have no active automated auditing or validation of p

Re: SPDX identifiers in old branches?

2022-05-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:34 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 09:25:01AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 8:40 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:49:15AM +0200, Miroslav Suchý

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > On 5/25/22 15:28, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:17 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 5/24/22 22:02, Fabio Valentini wrote: > >>> On Tue, May 24,

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:17 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > On 5/24/22 22:02, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 5:03 PM Jiri Vanek wrote: > >> I replied it already in that thread, but happy to repeat: > >> It will help, but less then it seems so. > >> Now we can drop 8. Soem legacy

Re: SPDX identifiers in old branches?

2022-05-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 8:40 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:49:15AM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 25. 05. 22 v 2:44 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > > > 2) There are tags that might mean slightly different things in each > > > notation. E.g. MIT. Is this package licens

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 7:28 AM Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > On 5/20/22 14:57, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 20/05/2022 14:28, Jiri Vanek wrote: > >> wait, what? What do you mean? And waht give you this impression? > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoveFedoraJDKsToBecomePortableJDKs: >

Re: What happened to umask?

2022-05-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 8:13 PM Owen Taylor wrote: > > For years, Red Hat Linux / Fedora systems have had a umask of 0002 for > regular users as part of the "user private group" scheme [*]. Basically the > idea is that you can set a directory group-sticky and use it as a common work > area for

Re: F38 Proposal: SPDX License Phase 1 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-05-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:27 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 18. 05. 22 v 15:51 David Cantrell napsal(a): > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:51:33PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >>> On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:59

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:33 PM jiri vanek wrote: > > Hi Neal! > > We are participating on Wakefield too. Why do you think JDK in feora should > miss it ? > It does nto metter if it is static or dynamic one, it will just run correctly > under wayaland. Or do I miss something? The runtime libra

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:55 AM jiri vanek wrote: > > You can imagine TCK as gigantic and pretty good testsuite, runing 24hours > with quite complicated setup. The pull and setup and run is completely > autoamted, but it is a lot of HW you need (all architecures x all oses x all > jdks). In a

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:28 AM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 18.05.2022 um 16:36 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > : > > > > On 18/05/2022 11:27, Peter Boy wrote: > >> We didn’t lost Eclipse, we switched from RPM to another distribution > >> method. The same with Netbeans. > > > > No RPMS i

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mario Torre wrote: > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:52 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > I'm confused how this would not negatively impact the user experience, > > because things like FreeType and HarfBuzz in Fedora have features and > > co

Re: F38 Proposal: SPDX License Phase 1 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:22 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 17. 05. 22 17:19, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:11 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > >> > >> Dne 17. 05. 22 v 17:01 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > >>> > >>> Is this going

Re: F38 Proposal: SPDX License Phase 1 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:19 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 17. 05. 22 17:08, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> > >> On 17. 05. 22 16:52, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > >>> Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:18 Miro Hrončok napsa

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:09 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 04:20:56PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 02:11:03PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > > First - our burden. We ahve to certify each binary. This is quite long > > > > and leng

Re: F38 Proposal: SPDX License Phase 1 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:11 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 17. 05. 22 v 17:01 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > > > > Is this going to be part of phase 1? Could you please explicitly say that > > in the change proposal? > > No, it is not part of phase 1. Sorry for the confusion. I meant, yes we will

Re: F38 Proposal: SPDX License Phase 1 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 17. 05. 22 16:52, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:18 Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > >> So, is it actually allowed to use SPDX identifiers when this phase is > >> activated, or not? > > > > SPDX identifiers will be allowed when al

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:33 AM Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 23:18, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:54 PM Andrew Hughes wrote: >> > >> > On 19:36 Tue 10 May , Florian Weimer wrote: >> > > * Vita

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:54 PM Andrew Hughes wrote: > > On 19:36 Tue 10 May , Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Vitaly Zaitsev via devel: > > > > > On 10/05/2022 15:29, Ben Cotton wrote: > > >> This is initial step to move JDKs to be more like other JDKs, to build > > >> proper transferable images,

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:27 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 5/10/22 06:29, Ben Cotton wrote: > > According to developers, the non-portbale JDK is causing upredicted > > behavior different from other JDK vendors > > Similar to what Kevin has mentioned, I've also been using the Fedora > openjdk build

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 6:55 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > This sounds fascinating. Can anyone share details about this? On the > > I'm aware of some codecs, which are built in Fedora, then the binary is > > sent to .. cisco(?), and if passed, they are repacked in

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > This simplifies our default code path by using the same partitioning > > scheme as UEFI systems and aligns us more to how Fedora variants that > > are delivered as disk images, which all use a similar setup. It

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 1:21 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-05-13 at 10:27 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2 > > > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > > process, proposals are publicly announced i

Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:20 PM Robert Relyea wrote: > > On 5/10/22 6:29 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic > > > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > > process, proposals are publicly announced in order

Re: RHEL and CentOS specific Requires in spec file

2022-05-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:42 AM Ron Olson wrote: > > No, it’s not available in RHEL nor in CentOS 8 and Stream 8; if I used the > rhel tag would that include those? > Either is fine. %rhel and %el8 are both defined for all EL8 platforms. Using %rhel is mostly useful if you want to handle multip

Re: RHEL and CentOS specific Requires in spec file

2022-05-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:01 AM Ron Olson wrote: > > Hey all- > > I got a bug report about installing Swift on RHEL 8 where nothing provides > binutils-gold. I think this will fix it: > > %if 0%{?el8} > Requires: binutils > %else > Requires: binutils-gold > %endif > > But was hoping

Re: fedpkg sources - downloading unused source files: opt-in/opt-out

2022-05-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 7:00 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 01:21:53PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 1:13 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, May 04, 2022 at 09:45:55PM +0300, Otto Urpelainen wrote: > > > >

Re: fedpkg sources - downloading unused source files: opt-in/opt-out

2022-05-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 1:13 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, May 04, 2022 at 09:45:55PM +0300, Otto Urpelainen wrote: > > Ondrej Nosek kirjoitti 4.5.2022 klo 18.01: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > A few months ago fedpkg introduced a change which avoids downloading > > > source > > > files (from dist-

Re: New version of mkksiso could use some testing

2022-05-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 11:38 AM Brian C. Lane wrote: > > After the recent discussions about xorriso I realized that I could > vastly simplify mkksiso, AND make it work as a normal user :) So I did. > > The PR is here: > https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1228 > > It only depends on xorriso and im

Re: Self Introduction: Jered Floyd

2022-04-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 10:17 AM Jered Floyd wrote: > > > This package is now up for review in BZ: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2076374 > > There's also a GitHub repo for the packaging: > https://github.com/jeredfloyd/rpm-trafficserver > > I've tested it on f35, and have my copr

Re: Ancient Puppet version in EPEL-7: remove it?

2022-04-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:38 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/28/22 07:09, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:08 PM Demi Marie Obenour > > wrote: > >> > >> On 4/27/22 07:40, Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden wrote: > >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 09:03:45PM -0500, Carl George wro

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:51 AM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > Hi, Adam, > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 1:50 AM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > OK, so this is a bit meta, but I couldn't resist :P > > > > Since the Fedora 37 proposed Changes got posted, we have got the now- > > inevitable round of n

Re: Backporting upstream gc.collect to dnf Fedora 35+

2022-04-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 7:35 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > This upstream fix, which is basically a single line addition: > > https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/pull/1825/files > > is very important to us because it broke livecd-creator and we're > trying to build live CDs on F35. I

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 5:17 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > Brian C. Lane wrote: > > If this fixes the boot issues with the XPS 15 then it's probably worth > > using this instead of the 'clean' GPT method and then revisit later once > > BIOS support finally goes away. > > (Now i am not sure

Re: A way to prepare custom source tarballs from .spec file to improve CI experience

2022-04-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 7:51 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:51 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > 2) Standalone script does not solve the main issue and that is a way CI > > could obtain the tarball. Of course you mentioned "with support for > > extraction in spectool", but t

Re: "Conditional recommends" for packages

2022-04-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 2:32 PM Marcin Zajączkowski wrote: > > Hi. My package sstp-client (a SSTP VPN client) can be used on it's own, > but usually it is recommended to have also the NetworkManager-sstp > plugin. "Recommends" seems to be a good idea here as NM is usually > available by default. >

Re: Allow non-packagers to push to dist-git forks without fedpkg

2022-04-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 9:54 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello folks, > > what would it take to allow non-packagers to push to dist-git forks without > fedpkg? > > The instructions at > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/ci/pull-requests/#_you_are_not_a_packager > assume they run Fedora (or anot

Re: The future of FMN (Fedora Messaging Notifications)

2022-04-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:24 AM Aurelien Bompard wrote: > > Hey folks! > > We're having a look at FMN these days, and we're trying to design its > replacement in our Fedora Messaging enabled world. > The current FMN has the following shortcomings: > - too slow at runtime > - slow at startup time

Re: F38 Change: Major upgrade of Microdnf (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-04-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:01 AM Colin Walters wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > - dnf-daemon would be dbus-activated and exit-on-idle after a suitable > > timeout > > This is how rpm-ostree has worked for about 5 years now: > https://gith

Re: F38 Change: Major upgrade of Microdnf (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-04-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:56 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 20. 04. 22 v 8:55 Jaroslav Mracek napsal(a): >> >> >> I've gotta ask... How much memory does the new dnf daemon take while idle? > > > We do not have any measurements right now. Please feel free to test it. We > have a repository with

Re: F37 Change: Legacy Xorg Driver Removal (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 3:07 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > > Apologies for the delay here, but I've updated the change proposal > page based on the feedback in this thread. Please let me know what you > think. > You noted Parallels Desktop, which is actually a fair point I forgot about. Fortunately,

Re: BIOS boot - an alternative approach

2022-04-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 11:26 AM Ian Pilcher wrote: > > I'm not a Fedora developer, just a long time interested user, so take > this for what it's worth. I'd like to suggest an alternative approach > to the BIOS boot (and potentially other similar boot issues), or at > least suggest that this app

mustache-d orphaned

2022-04-17 Thread Neal Gompa
Hey all, I've orphaned mustache-d[1]. It currently FTBFS[2], but I don't know of anything using it anymore (appstream-generator no longer uses it). If someone wants it, feel free to take it. [1]: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mustache-d [2]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20467

Re: UEFI net boot, shim, Fedora, and CentOS

2022-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > So after all the boot discussion, I was updating my net boot setup to > handle all the modes (BIOS PXE, UEFI PXE, UEFI HTTP, with UEFI loading > shim for Secure Boot support). I got it all working for Fedora, then I > tried to boot CentOS. I

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:29 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 14.04.2022 um 20:20 schrieb Chris Adams : > > > > Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: > >> Given there is consensus that legacy BIOS is on its way out > > > > I don't think this statement is true, unless Fedora doesn't want to be >

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:58 AM JadoNena wrote: > > Hello, > > > On Thursday, April 14th, 2022 at 8:43 AM, Neal Gompa > > wrote: > > Thank you very much for your reply. You are one of those several people that > we have been reading has some good sense for us

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM JadoNena via devel wrote: > > > The question is: how many users do we want to leave behind? Or: how many > > users must we leave behind because we can’t do the job. > > We are just users. Our expert development is for other professions than > writing drivers and

Re: F38 Change: Major upgrade of Microdnf (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-04-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:40 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Gordon Messmer wrote: > > I've gotta ask... How much memory does the new dnf daemon take while idle? > > As I understand it, the new DNF daemon would mostly only replace/upgrade the > already existing dnfdaemon, for users of tools l

Re: Would it be useful to have a video call to discuss the "Deprecate Legacy BIOS" Change proposal?

2022-04-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 8:45 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Hans de Goede wrote: > > As the Source0 provider for the packages and then next to: > > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/grub2 > > > > Add a: > > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/grub2-bios > > > > And moving the build o

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 7:52 PM Brian C. Lane wrote: > > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout > of the iso as described in his post: > > https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1226 > > And a Fedor

Re: F38 Change: Major upgrade of Microdnf (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-04-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 AM Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > Il 12/04/22 22:54, Ben Cotton ha scritto: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf > > > > == Summary == > > A major upgrade of Microdnf is the first step in the evolution of > > package management in Fedor

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 11:06 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 1:27 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Windows 11 *does not matter* here. > > (Windows) Desktop as a Service (DaaS)[0] may > change that faster than some expect (or faster > than some hope)

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 7:08 PM Gabriel Ramirez wrote: > > On 4/10/22 16:10, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 4:37 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > > wrote: > >> On Friday, 08 April 2022 at 16:14, Zamir SUN wrote: > >> [...] > &g

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 4:37 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Friday, 08 April 2022 at 16:14, Zamir SUN wrote: > [...] > > Probably it isn't a problem for some users, but I'm still having bad > > experience with UEFI on x86_64 now. Out of my 3 machines I only have 1 > > system that

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 2:23 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Michel Alexandre Salim writes: > > > - as I stated, there are offers to help with getting syslinux replaced > > with GRUB. what I've not stated originally is Chris Murphy brought up > > protective MBR and switching all new installs to i

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 10:51 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:01 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Moving past the Big Three(tm), the actual > > cloud providers that matter from a Fedora context are the smaller > > outfits that principally serve Linux

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