Re: Tox automation in packaging macros

2020-02-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:13 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 20:42 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > > * ...the Shiny New Stuff does not appear to be available on EPEL *at > > > all* yet - not even EPEL 8. This makes it a bit of a non-starter if you > > > want to use the same

Re: Forge discussion: FSF project effect?

2020-02-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 8:42 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > Hey folks! > > So, I caught an interesting story on LWN today: > > https://lwn.net/Articles/813254/ > > it appears the FSF is planning to run a forge and contribute to > whatever project they use, and Pagure is currently their leading > co

Re: Need help with my packages

2020-03-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 4:31 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > > I have too many packages that I am the maintainer for and need help. If > you would like to help out by either becoming a co-maintainer or > becoming the primary maintainer, please let me know. The full list > follows. Many of these I ju

Re: Creation of pkgconfig file for libraries that do not ship one

2020-03-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 6:03 AM Guido Aulisi wrote: > > Hi, > can we create a pkgconfig file for libraries that do not ship one? > I did not find anything about that in our packaging policy. > > A bug was filed [0] about a missing pkgconfig file for zita-convolver > library and I'm thinking og crea

Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:46 AM clime wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 12:05, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > > > If you don’t keep things decentralized you’ll be in a word of pain when > > the scm or buildsys needs to be changed for another implementation (not > > to mention, that’s not a

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:23 PM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > I would like to add to Ankur's point: while I understand that many of us are > doing Fedora work voluntarily and the expectations should be set accordingly, > I believe we should be open to accept help when we realise that

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote: > >> On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > > Would you like help? I'd be willing to be a co-maintainer

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:03:01PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. We are planning > > to deliver a module stream or a COPR repo during Fedora 33 > > developm

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:58 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 08:56 +0100, jkone...@redhat.com wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 07:44 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 00:55 Martin Kolman wrote: > > > > - Original Messa

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:06 AM Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > W dniu 04.03.2020 o 19:03, Daniel Mach pisze: > > Hello everyone, I'm pleased to announce start of DNF 5 development. > > > microdnf > > Microdnf is becoming important because it's part of > > many containers due to its small footprint.

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > >> Are you going to use sd-bus for the dbus library? > >> > > > &g

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 02:29:38PM +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > >On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:37 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:02 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dne 04. 03. 20 v 23:01 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > &g

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:09 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:02:47AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at

Re: 4 packages still requiring Python 3.7 in Fedora 32: Retire mailman3 and python-subunit2sql

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:34 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 05. 02. 20 12:32, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8 > > > > There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with > > Python > >

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:51 PM Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > > > We've managed to drop a lot of redundant code across the whole DNF stack > > in the past years, but we have reached a point when it's nearly > > impossible to consolidate the code any further without breaking the > > API/ABI. Especially

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:21 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > If upstreams are using travis-ci, we are testing against version 1.12.2 > from Debian/Ubuntu and may not be aware of issues in asio 1.14.0. Even > if you patch for the issue, it may be completely untested upstream. > That is why it is so v

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 9:02 AM Julian Sikorski wrote: > > W dniu 07.03.2020 o 13:53, Neal Gompa pisze: > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:21 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > >> > >> If upstreams are using travis-ci, we are testing against version 1.12.2 > >

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:47 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > On 07/03/2020 10:32, Julian Sikorski wrote: > > > In any case, Fedora is a more bleeding edge distro than Debian/Ubuntu > > (First one of the foundations), so I am not sure how realistic it is to > > be waiting for Debian/Ubuntu to include s

Re: Reducing broken dependencies in fedora (32) repositories

2020-03-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:54 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:35:52PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-health-check/blob/master/f/reports/report-32.md > > > Report with

Re: Announcing start of DNF 5 development

2020-03-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Pat Riehecky wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > > > Daniel Mach writes: > > > > > Dne 12. 03. 20 v 19:26 Pat Riehecky napsal(a): > > > > > >> I realize I'm thinking about the Pie in the Sky, but: > > >> > > >> Would it be possibl

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dakota Williams wrote: > > On 3/6/20 1:21 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > > > On 05/03/2020 21:26, Julian Sikorski wrote: > > > >> I would like to take this opportunity to remind about the PR that I have > >> prepared - let us not duplicate the work: > >> https://sr

Re: Intent to request a FESCo exception for python2 for ardour5

2020-03-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:23 AM Guido Aulisi wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m going to ask a FESCo exception for python2 for package ardour5. > Python2 is only needed to build the package using the WAF build system. > > Ardour has been undergoing a complete rewriting for 2 years, no stable > versions have

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Sqlite RpmDB

2020-03-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:24 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Sqlite_Rpmdb > > == Summary == > Change format of the RPM database from Berkeley DB to a new Sqlite format. > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:pmatilai| Panu Matilainen]] [[User:ffesti|Florian Festi]] > * E

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:32 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > The trigger for this line of thinking was this comment I ran across > this morning: > > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1166100-fedora-32-beta-released-with-earlyoom-by-default-gnome-3-36-desktop?p=1

Re: CoC

2020-03-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ty Young wrote: > > > On 3/19/20 2:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 12/03/2020 22:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:33:04PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >>> It is very, very wrong and I don't feel I should have to make a public > >>> r

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:42 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 15/03/2020 13:32, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dakota Williams > > wrote: > >> > >> On 3/6/20 1:21 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >>> > >>> >

Orphaned containers (D lang library)

2020-03-19 Thread Neal Gompa
Hey all, I have orphaned containers[1], a D language library for extended "containers" concept in D based on std.experimental.allocator. I have no use for it anymore. If you're interested in D language stuff, feel free to take it. There is a newer version available from upstream[2], which would

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Sqlite RpmDB

2020-03-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 6:06 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 3/16/20 6:25 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > I'm glad to *finally* see this happen, so congratulations to the RPM > > team for finally making this a reality! I look forward to trying this > > out in Ra

Re: Help needed to get dependencies in EPEL 8 for pagure

2020-03-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:57 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:59 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I've been trying to get Pagure into EPEL 8 for a couple of months now > > so that we can upgrade our Pagure instances

Non-responsive maintainer: pwalter

2020-03-21 Thread Neal Gompa
Hello all, I've been trying to get in touch with Pete Walter for a few months now w.r.t. python-pygit2[0]. Unfortunately, he hasn't been responding to my emails[1][2][3] (he was CC'd to all of those) or the bug I filed requesting pygit2 for EPEL 8[4]. I've also filed the requisite non-responsive

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pwalter

2020-03-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:02 AM Pete Walter wrote: > > For months!? This is the first email I get from you. Just for the record, I > am around, but have 0 interest in EPEL 8 as of the moment. > In that case, I'd be happy to take on co-maintainership (admin) or even take over the package entirely

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pwalter

2020-03-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:02 AM Pete Walter wrote: > > For months!? This is the first email I get from you. > That's really surprising. I had CC'd you on each email requesting for assistance on getting pagure's dependencies into EPEL 8 from December through now, and I filed the bug asking for an

Re: fedmsg messages from dist-git

2020-03-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:52 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 03:55:49PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 03:42:07PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > The dist-git is now emitting the messages via fedmsg. Whenever new upload > > > has been done. > > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: ELN Buildroot and Compose

2020-03-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:33 AM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > The RPM variables: > > * `%{fedora}` will return `.fcXX` (where XX is the Fedora version > represented by Rawhide). This will break things. %fedora has always returned an integer, why do you want to change it to return a "DistTag"-ish

Re: Bugzilla outage/upgrade on 2 December 2018

2018-11-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 5:08 PM Jeff Fearn wrote: > > On 27/11/18 02:06, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > * Neal Gompa [26/11/2018 11:01] : > >> > >> Out of curiosity, does anyone know where the source code for Red Hat > >> Bugzilla actually is? I tried to find

Re: Proposal: Move to an annual platform release starting at F30

2018-11-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:27 PM Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > On 11/16/18 7:50 AM, Paul Frields wrote: > [snip] > > We should skip the F31 release cycle and leave F30 in place longer in > > order to focus on improving the tooling and testing changes. These > > tooling changes will improve the overall

Re: Proposal: delay F31 release to work out infrastructure and lifecycle challenges

2018-11-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:08 AM John Florian wrote: > > On 11/26/18 3:53 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > The one issue I see off hand is that koji > > tags are kind of expensive so we can't just tag everything the way we > > may want > > Can you please elaborate a bit on this? What makes them expensiv

Re: Proposal: Move to an annual platform release starting at F30

2018-11-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 10:57 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 10:22 AM Paul Frields wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 4:47 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > > Dne 27. 11. 18 v 17:04 Josh Boyer napsal(a): > > > >> In other words, the "technical debt" we are trying to solve

Re: Bugzilla outage/upgrade delayed until 9 December 2018

2018-11-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > The upgrade of bugzilla.redhat.com has been delayed a week. It will > now be done on 9 December 2018 from 0:00 to 12:00 UTC. > Aww, anyone know why? -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___

Re: Proposal : Use OSBS to build the fedora container base image

2018-12-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 1:39 PM Clement Verna wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to get feedbacks on the following proposal. Use OSBS to > build the fedora container base image, indeed OSBS has the capability > to build a base container image using a kickstart file. > To do this OSBS needs a Docke

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-12-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 3:54 PM Ken Dreyer wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 6:12 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > I'm worried that this kind of pointless work makes it hard to attract > > talent. > > Florian, you might want to check out rdopkg. > https://github.com/softwarefactory-project/rdopkg . It

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-12-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 7:59 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Neal Gompa: > > > The problem with merged source trees (aka source-git) is that it > > implies forking projects. > > But that's true for *any* distribution that wants to integrate things. > I guess y

Re: Heads Up: libmodulemd 2.0 coming soon to a Rawhide near you

2018-12-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM Kalev Lember wrote: > > On 12/10/2018 07:30 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > It is versioned, actually. The 1.x API is `pkconfig(modulemd)` and 2.x > > is `pkgconfig(modulemd-2.0)`. The source of the conflict between the > > two -devel subpackages is that they both

Re: Automating Package Review (Was: fedora-review -- do we have a maintainer?)

2018-12-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:30 AM Sérgio Basto wrote: > > Hi, > > Any news ? > > "But I guess nothing's getting released, for some reason? fedora-review has > been on version 0.6.1 since May 2016; all package activity since then has > been housekeeping rebuilds. " > > may you add me as admin to F

Re: RFC: make fedora-release archful and add some provides

2018-12-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:34 PM Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > Hello folks, > > for long time we have problem if you have some arch-specific > BuildRequires, you still get one src.rpm from one of arches (not sure > how koji chooses that one) which might not work for your architecture. > > For example if

Re: RFC: make fedora-release archful and add some provides

2018-12-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:50 PM Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:45 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 2:34 PM Igor Gnatenko > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > for long time we have pro

Re: RFC: make fedora-release archful and add some provides

2018-12-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 3:09 PM Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > That makes sense that we can do something like this from DNF code.. > However, it would be kinda hard to do any dependency resolution > checks.. > > Although we already have one which is module(platform:$PLATFORM_ID) > which is automatically

Re: Automating Package Review (Was: fedora-review -- do we have a maintainer?)

2018-12-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:10 PM Sérgio Basto wrote: > > Hi, (sorry for duplicates I sent from wrong email before) > > Nothing happened last week . > > Can you add me to https://pagure.io/FedoraReview/ and to > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-review please . > > My fas user is sergiomb ,

Re: Fedora 30 System-Wide Change proposal: Remove Obsolete Scriptlets

2018-12-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:17 AM Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi, > > On 20-12-18 10:54, Raphael Groner wrote: > >> So what process should I use? Pull Requests or just removing obsolete > >> stuff? > >> I'm ready to do either way. Should I leave this to FESCo? > > > > My vote would go for Pull Request

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2018-12-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:35 AM Avram Lubkin wrote: > > Looks like the dependency generator was turned on in rawhide. Igor has been > making pull releases against packages because this is now creating duplicate > requires for some packages. That would seem reasonable, but he never pushed > the

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2018-12-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:38 PM Avram Lubkin wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:55 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> >> Well, now that this has been enabled, it is likely that there already >> are packages which make use of this functionality, and disabling the >> generator again wo

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2018-12-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 28. 12. 18 18:58, Avram Lubkin wrote: > > Especially since there is no test code! > > And this is the only thing when I agree with you. > > Neal, where would be the best place to add some tests for the generator? > I can scratch something

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2018-12-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 28. 12. 18 22:10, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> > >> On 28. 12. 18 18:58, Avram Lubkin wrote: > >>> Especially since there is no test code! &

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2019-01-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:30 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 12/30/18 12:26 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 19:37, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnablingPythonGeneratorsByDefault > >> > >> = Enabling Python Generators by default = > > > > No

Re: Reviews needed

2019-01-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:41 PM Tom Callaway wrote: > > When I wasn't looking, asymptote grew a new dependency, which means I > have two new packages that need reviews. > > python-speg: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1663036 > python-cson: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16

Re: Proposal : Use OSBS to build the fedora container base image

2019-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:54 AM Dennis Gregorovic wrote: > > Forwarding info I got from Tomas off-line... > > """ > oz should be py3-ready according to clancellete (not tested by me). I've > started some work on ImageFactory, but didn't get too far as there were other > priorities. It seemed to b

Re: [HEADS UP] Removal of obsolete scriptlets

2019-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:16 PM Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > I'm going to push multiple commits to packages (I'll send list later) > which execute scriptlets which are not needed anymore for Fedora. > > However, people tend to keep same spec for Fedora and EPEL which makes > everything much more compli

Re: Is Bodhi's fedmsg integration in the UI useful?

2019-01-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:23 AM Randy Barlow wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 08:34 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Was > > there some kind of design rationale for them? Or were they just added > > because 'hey, fedmsg is cool'? > > I don't know because they were added before my tenure, though I

Re: Organizing a "packager experience" objective and working group

2019-01-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:52 AM Björn Persson wrote: > > Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 10. 01. 19 v 20:47 Artur Iwicki napsal(a): > > > - Now that I've mentioned it, maybe we should add something like "fedpkg > > > fas-login"? Personally I've put "alias koji-init='kinit > > > my-fas-acco...@my-dom

Re: Organizing a "packager experience" objective and working group

2019-01-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:59 PM Ben Rosser wrote: > > Hello, > > We had a recent discussion on this list last month about (among other > things) the current state of Pagure as a replacement for pkgdb [1]. > > I mentioned in that discussion that there are various issues which > have arisen from the

Re: Organizing a "packager experience" objective and working group

2019-01-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:19 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 02:42:05PM -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * non free submissions. What if someone submits non free content and we > > build and host it? That would not be great. > > Can we apply the same "flag and remove" approach a

Re: Fw: Re: OUTAGE: Koji system 2019-01-11 -> 2019-01-14

2019-01-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:42 AM Dan Horák wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:05:33 +0100 > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > On 12. 01. 19 19:47, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On 1/12/19 5:59 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > >> On 12. 01. 19 14:19, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >>> Dan Horák wrote: > > This is a rem

Re: Fw: Re: OUTAGE: Koji system 2019-01-11 -> 2019-01-14

2019-01-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > * Buildbot (Python 3) > * Jenkins (Java) > * Vespene (Python 3) > * GoCD (Java + Ruby) > * Zuul (Python) > > Of the four listed above, only the first two are packaged in Fedora. > Buildbot is up-to-date in Fedo

Re: Fw: Re: OUTAGE: Koji system 2019-01-11 -> 2019-01-14

2019-01-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:08 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > Well, strictly speaking, this is really only a problem for IBM > > architectures (ppc64le and s390x) because there's no economical way > > for anyone to be able to care for them.

Re: Organizing a "packager experience" objective and working group

2019-01-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 3:19 PM Ben Rosser wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:37 PM Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > > > On 1/11/19 9:18 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Can we apply the same "flag and remove" approach as currently used in > > > Copr? > > > > I'd rather have a licensing sign-off

Re: [Late] F30 System-Wide Change proposal: GCC9

2019-01-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:17 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > [This proposal was submitted after the deadline. I am announcing it > for community discussion and will leave the decision on whether or not > to grant an exception to FESCo] > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC9 > > == Summary == > S

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:17 AM Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > Why is this Self-Contained Change and not a System Wide Change? > > It seems, at least to me, that it should be System Wide Change, according to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy#Complex_system_wide_changes . > Is it r

Re: dracut-sshd in fedora - ssh access to early cryptsetup/dracut shell

2019-01-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 9:23 AM Georg Sauthoff wrote: > > Hello, > > so I wrote dracut-sshd - a dracut module that adds sshd to the > initramfs such that one is able to remotely access early > userspace for e.g. unlocking an encrypted root filesystem or > dealing with the dracut emergency shell: >

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 9:49 PM Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nico Kadel-Garcia" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 11:06:39 PM > > Subject: Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0 > > > >

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 9:55 PM Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Frantisek Zatloukal" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 4:16:45 PM > > Subject: Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0 > > > >

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:01 PM Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neal Gompa" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > Cc: "Mikolaj Izdebski" , "Michael Simacek" &

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Retire YUM 3

2019-01-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:29 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > == Detailed Description == > Remove packages from the distribution: > [...] > * python-urlgrabber > We don't actually have to drop this one. One of the SUSE guys submitted a pull request to port it to Python 3: https://github.com/rpm-software

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: MongoDB Removal

2019-01-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote: > > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is > > not a Free Software License. > > For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentiall

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:05 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 02:43:39AM -0500, Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > I agree that it would be much safer to target it for Fedora 31. I have no > > objection if we change target release. > > What about building it as a module, with Bash

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:23 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 03:01:55PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > > But wait also: can't the module just refer to the release-branch (base) > > > dist-git? Why maintain two copies? > > Well, they can. But someone needs to build it twice: o

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-01-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:07 AM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:06:25PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Please don't do that. You'll basically break the distribution for all > > third-party packagers. Modules are not supported by anyone at all, a

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-01-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:58 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:28, Igor Gnatenko > wrote: >> >> Problem №1: Build-only packages >> >> Rawhide gating makes this much more complicated because builds appear in >> buildroot slower, updating group of packages would need si

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:59 AM Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le jeudi 31 janvier 2019 à 19:52 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:58 PM Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:28, Igor Gnatenko < > > >

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Retire YUM 3

2019-02-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:23 AM Sérgio Basto wrote: > > koji-builder, mash and repoview are ready to work without yum ? > There's a pending PR for fixing koji-builder: https://pagure.io/koji/pull-request/1117 Mash is dead and not used in infra anymore, so it doesn't matter. RepoView just needs

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:37 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:19 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:58 PM Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:28, Igor Gnatenko > > > w

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 6:19 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 01. 02. 19 v 13:21 Mikolaj Izdebski napsal(a): > > - builds failing due to failure to download packages from official > > Fedora mirror dl.fedoraproject.org > > This is not first time I hear this. So I will open discussion to (again) >

Re: Strange rawhide behaviour

2019-02-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 3:51 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-01-30 at 15:37 +0100, Michal Schorm wrote: > > Right. > > > > Yes, I'm trying to test the installation from the mirrors. There will > > be a delay. > > > > Buildroot repo != compose repo. > > That's where I was mistaken. > > >

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 5:14 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On 1/31/19 4:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > ...snip... > > > COPR was supposed to be that outlet, but no one gives a damn about it. > > Everyone complains that the service is "bad" and that the design is &

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Retire YUM 3

2019-02-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:34 PM Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > > On 2/1/19 10:23 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:23 AM Sérgio Basto wrote: > >> > >> koji-builder, mash and repoview are ready to work without yum ? > >> > > > > Ther

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: SWID tag enablement

2019-02-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:52 PM Jan Pazdziora wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:36:50AM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 18:32 Ben Cotton > > > > ** add SWID metadata awareness to createrepo (but this will not be > > > used in Fedora, only enabled for user use), agreeing m

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Bash 5.0

2019-02-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 9:22 PM Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > > I don't read repodata manually, libsolv does it for me. Using libdnf and/or > > libmodulemd is not something what (for example) OBS would do. They rely on > > libsolv for all dependency solving operations. And unless it will support

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:58 AM Ron Yorston wrote: > > Fabio Valentini wrote: > >In the past few weeks, it has come up regularly that future > >"module-only" packages are orphaned (and hence will soon be retired), > >and nobody stepped up to fix this issue - especially for non-leaf > >packages. I

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:09 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 13/02/2019 08:05, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:58 AM Ron Yorston wrote: > > > >> What is a "module-only" package? > > > > These are packages that move from the

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:34 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 13/02/2019 09:11, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:09 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > > >> I don't think that second consequence is entirely true. > >> > >> As I understand the t

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Retire YUM 3

2019-02-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On 2/5/19 1:37 PM, Randy Barlow wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-02-04 at 09:56 -0600, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: > >> What's the replacement? > > > > Bodhi switched from mash to pungi, and I think Bodhi might have been > > the last thing using mash. > > Th

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:32 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 13/02/2019 12:58, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:51 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > >> > >> On 13/02/2019 09:48, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:34 AM Tom Hughes

Re: Late F30 Change – “dnf --best” as default behavior

2019-02-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Making 'dnf --best' the default has been proposed to FESCo in > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2088, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_Default_Best. > > Comments, opinions? > It's probably a smarter behavior. We're a

Re: FYI https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CGroupsV2

2019-02-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:11 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 08:10:09AM -0500, Daniel Walsh wrote: > > I have opened a Change Request to change the defaults for Fedora 31 to > > Cgroups V2. I am looking for what packages will be affected by this > > change. Bas

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 7:46 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Fabio Valentini: > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM Florian Weimer wrote: > >> > >> * Fabio Valentini: > >> > >> > In the past few weeks, it has come up regularly that future > >> > "module-only" packages are orphaned (and hence will

Re: Proposal: Stewardship Group / SIG for taking care of otherwise "module-only" packages

2019-02-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:43 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 13. 02. 19 15:32, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 3:23 PM Florian Weimer wrote: > >> > >> * Fabio Valentini: > >> > >>> In the past few weeks, it has come up regularly that future > >>> "module-only" packages are orpha

Re: F31 System-Wide Change proposal: Automatic strict inter-package dependencies

2019-02-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:31 PM Tom Stellard wrote: > > Would there be some way to opt out of this? In some cases, %{name}-devel > Requires only %{name}-libs and not %{name}. > Perhaps it's not obvious, but the idea here is that RPM will "sense" what the name of the subpackage it depends on is,

Re: F31 System-Wide Change proposal: BuildRequires Generators

2019-02-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:36 PM Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BuildRequires_Generators > > > > = BuildRequires Generators = > > > > == Summary == > > Add possibility to generate build-time dependencies

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2019-02-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:05 AM Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > Greetings packagers, > > I know how important RPM is to the Fedora Project, but it breaks > everything downstream and we'd be better off using DPKG as we should > have from day one. > > I'm calling this initiative fedpkg: Fedora Embraces

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2019-02-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:06 AM Leigh Scott wrote: > > > Greetings packagers, > > > > I know how important RPM is to the Fedora Project, but it breaks > > everything downstream and we'd be better off using DPKG as we should > > have from day one. > > > > I'm calling this initiative fedpkg: Fedora

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