Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-27 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:19:08 -0700, JK (Jesse) wrote: On 7/27/11 2:03 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There is a big difference between a package going backwards in its EVR and staying there and a package getting

Re: Intent to package GNOME Shell frippery

2011-07-29 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, On 07/29/2011 09:47 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 10:48 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Just a quick heads-up that I plan to look unto packaging the gnome shell frippery extensions this weekend, if

Re: Intent to package GNOME Shell frippery

2011-07-29 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Stijn Hoop st...@sandcat.nl wrote: Hi, On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:57:59 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: ... Distro packaged extensions are frowned upon upstream. [citation needed] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/msg00164

Re: Intent to package GNOME Shell frippery

2011-07-29 Thread drago01
2011/7/29 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 07/29/2011 08:57 AM, drago01 wrote: Well in gnome 3.2 (which should be out for F16) extensions will be like firefox extensions i.e you go to extensions.gnome.org and click install to install an extension. Distro packaged extensions

Re: Intent to package GNOME Shell frippery

2011-07-29 Thread drago01
2011/7/29 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 07/29/2011 09:21 AM, drago01 wrote: 2011/7/29 Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com: On 07/29/2011 08:57 AM, drago01 wrote: Well in gnome 3.2 (which should be out for F16) extensions will be like firefox extensions i.e you go

Re: EKOPath compiler in the next Fedora releases

2011-08-13 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ilyes Gouta ilyes.go...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, Is there any plan to have the EKOPath compiler, from PathScale, shipped as part of the future Fedora releases? It doesn't necessarily mean having Fedora's packages built with it, but merely packaging it as a

Re: EKOPath compiler in the next Fedora releases

2011-08-13 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Ilyes Gouta ilyes.go...@gmail.com wrote: Well assuming no legal issues anyone can package it and submit it for review ... I do know that SLES and RH releases are being worked on. It should also become available for Scientific Linux too at some point. So?

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/18/2011 06:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 17.08.11 16:43, Tim Waugh (twa...@redhat.com) wrote: Oh, I just noticed this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd#Socket_activation

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 01:12:31PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/18/2011 06:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 17.08.11 16:43, Tim Waugh

Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

2011-08-27 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 06:47:37PM -0500, David Lehman wrote: On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 23:13 -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: I have tried installing Fedora 16 alpha (i386 version) on VMWare player and it dies

Re: Memory requirements (was: Re: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

2011-08-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane b...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote: In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue. That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs from /tmp/*log

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. For some people the price of floppies is a

Re: Kudos to Tom Spot Callaway

2011-09-10 Thread drago01
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:37 AM, John5342 john5...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 14:47, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Christoph Frieben christoph.frie...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/9/8 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On behalf of the systemd convertion

Re: Compiling 32bit on 64bit Fedora

2011-09-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 11:52 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: gcc -m32 -o foo foo.c gives me: /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory If I copy the gnu/stubs-32.h file from

Re: Compiling 32bit on 64bit Fedora

2011-09-11 Thread drago01
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 11.09.2011 18:18, schrieb drago01: Am I doing something wrong? Or is this a packaging bug? I can't think of any reason why I shouldn't be able to compile at least a basic C program with no deps as 32bit on 64bit

Re: [systemd-devel] question

2011-09-14 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com writes: On 09/14/2011 09:55 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Honestly, if systemd updates has 5% of users failing on an update to the software - we should dump the thing immediately and go back to

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-14 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi 2011/9/13 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com: (This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0 for F16 was the same, since we switched

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-14 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/14/2011 04:31 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com   wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi 2011/9/13 Tom Lanet

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-14 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:23 +0200, drago01 wrote: What kind of disk is that? For a mechanical drive any gain from parallel startup  would get killed by disk seeks. There is no real 'gain' from parallel startup when

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/14/2011 06:23 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de  wrote: My netbook boots up F14 in ca. 60 secs, while F15 boots up in 62 secs. I'd call this below measurement

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Jan F. Chadima jchad...@redhat.com wrote: [...] . When watching the load of the virtual machine that starts with systemd it is clear to me that the total CPU consumption is significantly greater than in the case of upstart one. That's the whole point of doing

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 09/15/2011 02:07 AM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/14/2011 06:23 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jan F. Chadima jchad...@redhat.com wrote: On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:03 AM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Jan F. Chadima jchad...@redhat.com wrote: [...] . When watching the load of the virtual machine that starts with systemd it is clear

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Jan F. Chadima jchad...@redhat.com wrote: On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:02 PM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jan F. Chadima jchad...@redhat.com wrote: On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:03 AM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Jan F. Chadima

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-09-19 Thread drago01
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:46 PM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an explicit dependency. In your case it would

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-01 Thread drago01
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: And I can honestly say I've never seen a desktop machine where suspend worked with Linux, so suspending desktop machines by default seems like a bad idea. I don't get where this is coming from, suspend has pretty much

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread drago01
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: Results interpretation. --- Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: - Knoppix having microknoppix fast-parallel boot (based on SysV/LSB

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread drago01
2011/10/8 Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: How would someone go about doing that, anyway? https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable release and breaks Firefox horribly:      * My favorite

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread drago01
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:45 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I have no problem with changing the password, but leave my ssh keys alone, unless there is a real reason to ask people to change them. Reading between the lines of

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread drago01
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 20:01 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:45 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: I have no problem with changing

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-14 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Callum Lerwick s...@haxxed.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:55:59PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: Its the only right way to do it. As a general rule, a private ssh key should NEVER be

Re: RPM DB corruption with F-16 Beta

2011-10-14 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bojan Smojver wrote: Even more interestingly, dmesg and Xorg.0.log contain all the right things and yet, mutter won't start. I guess being in Intel graphics camp for some time now made me unfamiliar with radeon driver.

Re: Systemd conversion versus updates in back Fedora branches

2011-10-24 Thread drago01
2011/10/24 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 10/24/2011 05:42 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: FWIW, what the tomcat6 maintainers did is that they just ignored the guideline which says that you cannot migrate to systemd in an update and pushed this update:

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-24 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jim Meyering wrote: glibc-2.14.90-12.999, which has just made it to stable provokes a hard-to-diagnose (for me at least) problem. While most things work, and it fixed two problems that affected me, it caused me some

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread drago01
2011/10/25 Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com: [ ... ] - mount /usr ro and keep the rootfs writeable Which problem does this actually solve? People keep repeating that like forever as if it is a magic bullet to solve something. But it is a nice gimmick not more. And no it does not add any

Re: Rethinking proventester and critpath

2011-11-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: It's a common complaint that it's too difficult to get updates to critpath packages through the update system at the moment. We've been looking into trying to make that easier without just dropping the critpath

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 November 2011 13:21, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:25:54 + (UTC) Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: Adam Williamson awilliam at redhat.com writes: Yeah, I got that bit.

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 06:23:02PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ian Malone wrote: If I filed every bug in the distro in upstream I'd have a dozen different bugzilla accounts by now. So what? Maintainers are not

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: I, for one, want my computer to work the way I learned and interiorized a computer works, any innovative interface destroys my automatisms and confuses me. I'm using

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: drago01 drago01 at gmail.com writes: Not true ... I recommend reading https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/#Activities_Overview Just one link, so you wouldn't say I'm plucking things out of thin air: https

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: Mike Chambers mike at miketc.net writes: Reading all sorts of stuff or trying to but havcen't found yours yet (don't like it neither, so wanted to see your thoughts on it too) If you google 'on gnome 3 bojan', it

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the sysvinit scripts to systemd units in Fedora 17. The packages which ship sysvinit script but do not ship systemd unit according to the

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion

Re: Fesco membership policies

2011-11-14 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@cox.net wrote: On 11/14/2011 11:19 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Garrettmj...@srcf.ucam.org  wrote: Something that was brought up at the last fesco meeting is that fesco membership is

Re: Libs with applications

2011-11-20 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Steve Grubb wrote: For example, if a 32 bit library is installed, which application is left - the 64 or 32 bit one? If you install ONLY the 32-bit multilib, the 32-bit version. If you install BOTH the 64-bit and

Re: A software center for Fedora

2011-11-25 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in Fedora, compared to the direct competition (Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuse), and recently even

Re: A software center for Fedora

2011-11-28 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Simon Lukasik isim...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 11/28/2011 05:09 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/28/2011 01:39 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote: It is useful to point out that the space requirements are significant. You would want an implementation that does _not_

Re: A software center for Fedora

2011-12-03 Thread drago01
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote: packagedb seems an interesting project, for storing ratings and reviews, and it could be a candidate to replace the Ubuntu backend. Is there some

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-30 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/30/2010 11:49 AM, seth vidal wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 21:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/30/2010 09:08 PM, seth vidal wrote: in yum-utils upstream you can do: yum-config-manager

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-30 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:  On 07/30/2010 09:40 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 07/30/2010 11:53 AM, drago01 wrote: Not even with a note like The fedora project has no control about this repos use at your own risk etc. pp ? No. Not even

Re: repos.fedorapeople.org

2010-07-31 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: I'm happy to announce the availability of repos.fedorapeople.org. Intended for non-transient package hosting, it's a good central location to store packages that users might find interesting. It's still a bit manual

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice).  Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers.  How can we fix this? It isn't broken so there is nothing to

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: But the end effect is, we're allowing a web browser to disable memory protection, exposing all users to a severe security risk from merely browsing web sites.

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 22:41 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: But the end effect is, we're

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: drago01 wrote: The times where javascript is only used for some fancy effects are long over ... welcome to 2010 ;) Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. Why should we promote this behavior? It is a vehicle

Re: assigning of abrt crashes

2010-08-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: Hi, I'd like to propose a general rule that ABRT crash logs should remain assigned to the actual application, unless an actual investigation has been done and there's a reasonable certainty the flaw is in the library

Re: Too late to merge unix2dos/dos2unix?

2010-08-18 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: The unix2dos and dos2unix packages have merged upstream and I've been sent a spec file that upgrades dos2unix to the new upstream version.  It correctly obsoletes the unix2dos package. Is it too late in the Fedora 14 cycle

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: That's what I meant by a (correct) specification and a compliant implementation. And here too, I'm afraid you're missing the point. The same specification can be implemented in 2 perfectly compliant ways, one being

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-22 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I know its been discussed in the past but there's been reasons not to drop a default MTA but now that cronie (the last actual dependency) has support for logging to system logs is there any

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said: My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to quantify the unknown unknown, and define a time period of

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 03:02:27PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: I did not want to imply that PulseAudio is useless. I doubt that you would have implemented it, if you did not have

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:23 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 12:14 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: The intent is not to do so in the final release, AIUI. We're only keeping it around during

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-25 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: FWIW, I'm with Jon and Adam on this one. I just don't see how not having an MTA by default is a win, except in disk space terms, and it takes up a tiny amount of disk space (especially if we pick

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

2010-08-25 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:46:41PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: for workstation most users already use ubuntu. why? because it's more user friendly. There is nothing wrong with

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 23:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'm going to be blunt. I DON'T CARE. Yay, thanks that you don't care. You are aware that by putting everything on a single man's shoulders and then telling

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 15:35 +0200, drago01 wrote: Indeed, imo we should add them to the release criteria. It's a rather indigestible lump, for the criteria. James and I were thinking about a 'module' system

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-29 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Matej Cepl wrote: I believe KDE should have something equivalent ... don't you have a tool for managing multiple screens/heads? It doesn't do systemwide/permanent settings. (But I think the GNOME tool also doesn't

Re: clutter - 1.3

2010-09-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:32 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:57 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Colin Walters

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-09-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400,  Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: Please  do  not  ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's

Re: F14 youtube support?

2010-09-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins,

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread drago01
2010/9/7 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: Richard Hughes píše v Út 07. 09. 2010 v 12:46 +0100: The updater will be an improved version of the old package updater, and anything that's not an application (e.g. PackageKit-libs-devel) will be under a group (not shown in the screenshot) called System

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2010 13:16, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: First off, I think this is a great idea and very much needed, thanks for working on it. Cool, thanks. Some positive feedback at last! Too... much...

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: A patch would be lovely, but some sample code that renders a ttf file to a png file The smart brown fox or whatever using cairo is probably good

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not seen any comment as to the state of them other than they

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not seen any comment

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: So, we closed all blocker bugs, we worked through the vast majority of other bugs. I dealt with almost all issues raised in Bill's list, only few

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: rant My security fix build was rejected going to stable directly, because it could break anything (freeciv game), so i expect critical packages for end users have to go trough as well. /rant The web browser is

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, drago01 wrote: I think the main point here wasn't there are bugs #X, #Y and #Z  that can't be fixed in time so we should revert but a we have a bad feeling / are nervous so lets revert ... the later

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:05 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: The Broadcom position seems to be entirely crack-inspired, if it's based on the notion that a binary driver cannot be modified to break the regulations. That

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:20:30 -0700,  John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: And we are already reviewing and accepting features for Fedora 15.  The process never stops.

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:38 PM, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:  While showing the user applications instead of packages might be a good idea for several use cases I think this approach misses the point here. The questions for redesigning the Updater dialog should be: It is not only

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:11:03 +0200,  drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't work ... someone has to be activly pushing the patches upstream .. instead of just waiting and hoping that they magically make

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-16 Thread drago01
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept: http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-16 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:34 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.orgwrote: Well, the US law of the land says that you can't listen in on telephone communications

Re: F14 youtube support?

2010-09-16 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Ralf Ertzinger fed...@camperquake.de wrote: Hi. On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:34:10 + (UTC), Petr Pisar wrote Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor. (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use it by 64b

Re: updates with dependencies

2010-09-17 Thread drago01
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: I've pushed an update to f14 testing for igraph.  Now I need to update python-igraph. DEBUG util.py:255:  No Package Found for igraph-devel = 0.5.4 What is the procedure to make igraph-0.5.4 available so I can build

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-18 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:01 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:57 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: So Seth spent

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread drago01
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/20 Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com: On 09/20/2010 01:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200 Michał Piotrowski wrote: You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :) Actually, I think you can run any

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread drago01
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: W dniu 20 września 2010 15:02 użytkownik drago01 drag...@gmail.com napisał: Well depends on the cirumstances. I fully agree. As the file is supposed to be obsolete anyway ... we should just make modprobe ignore it ;) This is not a solution

Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

2010-09-20 Thread drago01
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: W dniu 20 września 2010 20:03 użytkownik drago01 drag...@gmail.com napisał: Why? The file is obsolete for a while now, apps that rely on it if any should crash and burn and use the proper interface (/etc/modprobe.d) I can't think of a reason why

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy draft page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft How can

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: As the concept of using third party repositories (both

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: This example is IMO wrong: - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This would be a judgement call based on how intrusive the

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200,  drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200,   drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: In case of a security issue a random note somewhere don't do

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-23 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 21:30 -0400, Gerald Henriksen a écrit : After all Gnome 2.32 isn't released until later this month, and the beta releases have been included in Fedora 14 up to now. Is that a

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