Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Alek Paunov
On 2020-07-02 13:08, Peter Robinson wrote: I suppose "very good state" is a relative term, upstream hasn't seen a release since 2016 so is essentially "unmaintained", not sure it supports secure boot, probably has a bunch of CVEs (see point about maintenance). I think it only lives on in Fedora

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Alek Paunov
On 2020-06-30 14:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be bad, how it might affect the distribution and scope of such change can be determined for potential

Re: Using ndb in RPM

2017-07-10 Thread Alek Paunov
On 2017-07-10 12:28, Jos Vos wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 09:14:07AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: The web page has: Improvements and stabilization of "ndb" (New RPM DB Format database format) [...] The problem is that "NDB" is a custom homebrew database invented in the

Re: iproute package update policy

2016-03-15 Thread Alek Paunov
On 2016-03-14 21:42, Phil Sutter wrote: ... So I will stick to my former plan of not rebasing iproute in stable releases (unless there's good reason) but become open for feature requests if there is valid need for it, a backport is feasible and it doesn't interfere with core functionality.

Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything) bloat

2015-12-07 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Chris, On 2015-09-22 04:26, Chris Murphy wrote: ... For the cloud image, extlinux actually works. The problem pops up with any image intended for baremetal whre UEFI Secure Boot support is needed, and right now GRUB2 does and extlinux doesn't, so any "atomic" image would need GRUB2.

Re: Current Rawhide problems you might want to know about

2015-10-13 Thread Alek Paunov
On 14.10.2015 00:13, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 03:00:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: Maybe strace will show where it gets hung up? Tried it of course - strace doesn't work across the setuid boundary. Maybe I can attach a trace tool (which?) to sshd (how?) and find out

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Alek Paunov
On 24.01.2014 21:20, Daniel J Walsh wrote: No, we pretty much allow executable stack/memory from user processes now and block it for most daemons, except for those that need it. My understanding of this change is that the kernel was not doing complete checking, but most apps at this point do

Re: RPMbuild mystery parameters --with and --without

2014-01-20 Thread Alek Paunov
On 20.01.2014 16:24, Björn Persson wrote: According to the Packaging Guidelines we're not supposed to use those parameters when building the source RPM to be submitted, because they somehow get serialized into the source package. I don't understand this, because I don't submit any source

Re: NetworkManager Bridges in Fedora

2014-01-18 Thread Alek Paunov
On 18.01.2014 03:34, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 08:57 -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: On 17/01/14 07:30, Harald Hoyer wrote: journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=NetworkManager.service better use # journalctl -b -u NetworkManager -u has the advantage, that you can specify it multiple

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 10.01.2014 21:12, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 07:58:44PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So the question becomes, what is it appropriate for a distribution to do in this situation? My personal opinion is that what's appropriate for a distribution to do is also, happily,

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.01.2014 22:34, Alek Paunov wrote: [*] Crucial aspect of any sophisticated data management system is the data query and manipulation language. Unfortunately the choices are rather limited - Imperative approaches (recently resurrected by some NoSQL DBs) are weak and error

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes - SCC: Fedora social

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.01.2014 22:34, Alek Paunov wrote: - sccd-web: WebUI exposing full functionality, alternatively Cockpit (OpenLMI WebUI) extension. ... - NTH: SCC local state inheritance between instances Fedora Social: Almost every developer or sysadmins like to demonstrate how clean and clever

Re: enlightenment 0.18.1 etc...

2014-01-05 Thread Alek Paunov
On 05.01.2014 04:29, Bob Richmond wrote: I have no desire to become a package maintainer for Enlightenment, but I Even in this case, after the hard work already done by you, now it is possible binaries be delivered to the end users - Are you aware of the new COPR [1] service? After repo

Re: Introduction

2013-11-27 Thread Alek Paunov
-7.0 ... Kind Regards, Alek P.S.: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message - Original Message - From: Alek Paunov a...@declera.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: Tako Schotanus tscho

Re: Introduction

2013-11-22 Thread Alek Paunov
On 22.11.2013 14:58, Tako Schotanus wrote: So I'm completely new to this packaging business, I managed to piece together a SPEC file that results in an actually working RPM for our project and even Koji seems to accept it, but there's so much information to absorb that I'm feeling a bit out

Re: Using git for patch management in Fedora

2013-11-20 Thread Alek Paunov
On 20.11.2013 11:19, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:36:54PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: One note though, I think that in the past one of the discussion points we've foundered on is whether we want to be mirroring upstream's git repo or (approximately) upstream's

Re: Using git for patch management in Fedora

2013-11-19 Thread Alek Paunov
On 19.11.2013 16:20, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:29:06PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:39:50PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: We have to learn fedpkg to do all the magic ;-) Something like add remote git tree with exploded tree: fedpkg

Re: Using git for patch management in Fedora

2013-11-19 Thread Alek Paunov
On 19.11.2013 19:32, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 07:27:20PM +0200, Alek Paunov wrote: What about intermediate step: optional fNN-upstream branch in addition to fNN, containing relevant upstream revision as git submodule (preferably referencing fedorahosted mirror

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-17 Thread Alek Paunov
On 17.11.2013 14:14, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: While this has been amusing, a lot of useful detail may be lost in the furor. There are some good philosophy questions about what GUI's should support for replacing command line tools (the gnome ... So step back, and let's think how can we make

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-07 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Sandro, On 07.11.2013 15:10, Sandro Mani wrote: Uhm, how can one this be done? Shell variables are substituted after macro expansion, so i.e. function do_build { arch=$1 qt_version=$2 %{mingw${arch}_qmake_${qt_version}} } would hardly work? Or are you suggesting passing the entire macros

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-01 Thread Alek Paunov
On 31.10.2013 22:03, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com escribió: What about using a custom Google search engine? https://www.google.com/cse/ simple answer, its not open source Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets, no (real) content age

Re: Fedora search

2013-11-01 Thread Alek Paunov
On 02.11.2013 02:32, Michael Cronenworth wrote: This will be my last mailing on this topic as I will not contribute or use this feature in Fedora, but this reply warranted clarification. On 11/01/2013 06:14 PM, Alek Paunov wrote: Another simple answer: CSE is a low quality search - no facets

Re: Software management: Call for RFEs results!

2013-10-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 04.10.2013 15:34, Jan Zelený wrote: If you have any other questions, comments or notes regarding the document, feel free to to use this list for the discussion. Where (list threads, wikis, sources) one should seek more details about the DB aspects of the plan, e.g.: * A1: Delta

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-28 Thread Alek Paunov
On 28.05.2013 09:51, Jan Zelený wrote: I couldn't agree more. But as I have said, we need to find the most simple and unintrusive things that can be done to improve this. For instance: file lists take a considerable portion of the entire metadata size. But if we were to remove them, things like

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-28 Thread Alek Paunov
On 28.05.2013 13:54, Jan Zelený wrote: On 28. 5. 2013 at 11:39:35, Alek Paunov wrote: On 28.05.2013 09:51, Jan Zelený wrote: I couldn't agree more. But as I have said, we need to find the most simple and unintrusive things that can be done to improve this. For instance: file lists take

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-28 Thread Alek Paunov
On 28.05.2013 18:51, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2013 08:51:03 +0200 Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com wrote: after a yum clean metadata yum update on a slow line you have to wait a very long time and even the download of the presto-metadata often is larger and takes longer as the packages

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-28 Thread Alek Paunov
On 28.05.2013 21:18, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2013 20:42:13 +0300 Alek Paunov a...@declera.com wrote: So, it seems that yum already have the filelists on demand optimization implemented. Why you are asking for removing a feature, which do not make the things worse ... ? I'm

Re: lua 5.2

2013-05-11 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.05.2013 00:10, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: FWIW the libguestfs transition to Lua 5.2 (done by the SuSE guys) wasn't completely straightforward. A handful of APIs have been removed or changed. These are the changes we had to make:

Re: Dealing with static code analysis in Fedora

2012-12-13 Thread Alek Paunov
On 11.12.2012 23:52, David Malcolm wrote: We'd be able to run all of the code in Fedora through static analysis tools, and slurp the results into the database Dave, I really do not know what to say first :-). The subject is so important and there are so many aspects and application fields -

Re: grub (v1) in f18?

2012-12-11 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Rich, On 07.12.2012 18:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Well this is a more general question about virtualization. I agree that it's sometimes more convenient to use an external kernel and initrd to boot a guest, and libvirt supports this mode (see the kernel and initrd in libvirt XML). But:

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-28 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Simon, On 28.11.2012 14:43, Simon Lukasik wrote: I can't see how this is related to my latest post. And I can't see what leads you to think that cross-platform scanning is feasible today (standard-wise and performance-wise). Please check this very informative post from Steve (OVAL board

Re: LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings

2012-11-15 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Florian, On 15.11.2012 13:18, Florian Weimer wrote: On 11/15/2012 01:49 AM, Alek Paunov wrote: So, to me it seems natural joining all above together to start thinking for replacing the classic python C bindings with thin textual or bytecode(*) LuaJIT/FFI shims in benefit of things

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 13.11.2012 18:35, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Hmmm: $ echo '' true.ml $ ocamlopt.opt true.ml -o true $ time ./true real 0m0.002s user 0m0.000s sys0m0.001s time luajit -e require'os'; os.exit(42) real0m0.001s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s But, check here for a far more

LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings (was: Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature)

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.11.2012 21:34, Steve Grubb wrote: But the problem I see is a lot of libraries are wrapped by swig, which leaks memory like a sieve. If swig didn't generate such leaky code, Python based daemons wouldn't be as scary. IMHO, Python is one of the best ways to express management logic. As

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 02:19, Lennart Poettering wrote: For containers a yum group for usage with --installroot= is the only thing that matters. FWIW, For me Anaconda is overkill for the KVM guest images too. I am used to do that with small xquery script (easy for the libvirt domain definition)

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 04:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: Unlike the others, it generates the native code at runtime (Just In Time), so there is a performance penalty (especially for nontrivial programs) for the (JIT) compilation which gcc and ocamlopt won't have. The quality of the generated code could also be

Re: LuaJIT - an alternative for current Python C bindings

2012-11-14 Thread Alek Paunov
On 15.11.2012 04:51, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: How much Python code are you proposing someone ports to Lua? ;-) I am proposing mostly porting C code to Lua/FFI (the code of the problematic Python C bindings) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Steve, On 12.11.2012 21:00, Steve Grubb wrote: I think its a bad idea to have too much flexibility for access control systems. They have to be verifiable. If you have to comply to PCI-DSS or the DISA STIG or any other standard, you have to be able to demonstrate you are in the approved

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread Alek Paunov
On 08.11.2012 15:10, Miroslav Suchý wrote: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum Nice start, Thank you! I like the scripting (ifs) or even better a rule based (make-like) approach. I will test your script on few instances. -- devel mailing list

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Alek Paunov
On 05.11.2012 15:57, Simo Sorce wrote: A possibly viable alternative for the ABIs freezing (which we can not ensure anyway) is the C/C++/etc tooling - If we arm upstreams, packagers and 3rd parties with powerful source tools (API migration/checking), just like Google does internally, unsing the

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-04 Thread Alek Paunov
On 04.11.2012 19:25, Simo Sorce wrote: note that this is also our strength in some respect because it allows the system to evolve a lot more quickly, but it also means upgrades are Indeed. simply going to break stuff, and that's not so great for desktop environments and scare the hell off

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-03 Thread Alek Paunov
On 03.11.2012 18:26, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 10:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: Eh? That's not what I said at all. What I said was that I think in a well-managed rolling release model, users would actually run into trouble only about as often as they already do anyway. I don't

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-03 Thread Alek Paunov
On 03.11.2012 19:17, Alek Paunov wrote: Adam, I think that the current rolling release discussion as many other high interest general ones in the recent months are pointless without some form of explicit definition and statistics of the current (and desired) distinct Fedora user profiles. Just

Re: Fedora Infrastructure announces status.fedoraproject.org

2012-08-30 Thread Alek Paunov
Great, but the link under Fedora Packages App should be either undefined or https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/, not the current 404-pointing value of UNKNOWN. BTW, http://www.smolts.org/ returns 503 currently, but I do not know if this is somehow related with Everything seems to be

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-18 Thread Alek Paunov
On 18.06.2012 12:10, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 02:07:08PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/18/2012 01:23 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 02:10:32AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 06:49:43PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-18 Thread Alek Paunov
On 18.06.2012 14:22, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:03, Benny Amorsen benny+use...@amorsen.dk wrote: Why testing the daemons? Any daemon which cannot be restarted by systemctl restart foo.daemon is broken already. Try booting a few VMs and then doing systemctl restart

Re: Total size of Fedora source

2012-05-19 Thread Alek Paunov
On 18.05.2012 16:38, Pádraig Brady wrote: An online equivalent to http://livegrep.com/ would rock :) At least ;-). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Total size of Fedora source

2012-05-19 Thread Alek Paunov
Bunch of random strings somewhat related to your proposal: Build: * Assuming loaded source DB (during distribution build) * Source query: pkg:gnome-keyring[@fgit='3f7ff7']//cfunc:gkm_rpc_log/trans-calls::*/arg:line/c:string/string() (All string line [1] literals used in calls (direct

Re: Total size of Fedora source

2012-05-18 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Rich, On 18.05.2012 15:49, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: The reason is that I want to check out all the source for an experiment, and I need to know what order of disk space I will need [:-)] Would you like to elaborate - What kind of experiment you are preparing? [Asking because I live with