Re: Installing ffmeg-free degrades firefox video support

2022-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski writes: > I guess it could be fixed with a clean-room reimplementation of the > stripped parts of FDK-AAC. Clean-room reimplementation negates the very applicability of any pre-existing *copyright* to your work. It does not affect applicability of pre-existing

Re: Possibly off topic: Slack will discontinue packaging for Fedora

2021-11-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Stephen John Smoogen writes: > I believe those need to be tied into a couple of other questions > 1. How does any organization work with these various prominent vendors? I doubt that this is a very useful question as stated. Even near-peers like Red Hat itself and Ubuntu are probably

Re: Unannounced pcre2-posix SONAME bump, I think

2021-06-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lukas Javorsky writes: > I want to apologize one more time. > This experience will be written in my mind forever. Try not to punish yourself. A good friend once completely broke XEmacs by bumping the version number in version.el from "20.0-betaXX" to "20.0". (It turned out that somebody had

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Frank Ch. Eigler writes: > adamwill wrote: > > Freenode has also shut down every channel that posted a libera.chat > > link in its topic. That's not very 'trustworthy'. This happened to > > multiple Fedora-related projects/channels, including #cockpit , for > > instance. > > Those

Retiring a set of old X utilities

2021-04-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Hutterer writes: > Now that the XorgUtilityDeaggregation [1] is complete, I'm planning to > retire a set of old X utilities that I think don't need to be in Fedora: > > oclock > xbiff > xload > xman > xrefresh > xlogo > xpr > xfd > viewres > listres > xconsole Wow. Can't

Re: Fedora 34 Change: Deprecate xemacs, xemacs-packages-base, xemacs-packages-extra, and neXtaw (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-01-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jerry James writes: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 5:37 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > Normally, I'd be in favour of "dragging out" the removal a bit, but > > in this case I think we don't need to, because of the relatively > > close replacement and the small number of users. It's

Re: Proposal to Add: Log In/Out Blocker Criteria

2020-08-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
I'm really uncomfortable about the amount of crossp-posting, so I'm limiting this to devel@ (I receive it) and test@ (obvious to me why relevant). Kamil Paral writes: > Adam writes: > > Arguably the environment from which they logged in is not > > "working as expected" if you can't then log

Re: Remove all non UK/USA English spell checker variants from default Fedora installation

2020-07-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nicolas Mailhot via devel writes: > Practically some people do care about original English. And, there is > little to win deployment side, In theory there is: common local names of people, places, and organizations. I don't know how many of those English variants include very many of them,

Re: Preparing for ocaml 4.11

2020-06-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jerry James writes: > My experience is that the build dependencies in the opam files are of > high quality, but that test and documentation dependencies are often > omitted. We could add those manually, so that may not be a big deal. If you add them manually, maybe upstream would accept a

Re: The price of FHS

2020-05-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Paul Dufresne via devel writes: > Now I do believe the reason you need to give a version to shared > libraries is because of the FHS. Because FHS suggest to regroup > libraries inside a specific directory and/or directories. But if you > have a common directory that contains every packages

Re: Coq build issues in F32

2020-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jerry James writes: > I think Richard addressed most of the points you raised. Yes, and no new questions, either. So I think I'm done here (well, I'll spectate, but the internals of the OCaml compiler are well beyond my skillset :-). Good luck! Steve -- Associate Professor

Coq build issues in F32

2020-03-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Hi Jerry! Long time no see. Jerry James writes: > I built the whole stack for Rawhide with no issues. Zero compiler warnings? No fiddling to suppress compiler warnings *anywhere* in the build chain (whether options or pragmas)? Not suggesting you go looking for pragmas (probably have 10

Re: Effort to remove libdb

2020-01-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:53 PM Jerry James wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > The lack of a good backup tool for Berkeley DB earned me nearly a year > > > of contracting salary from the BBC to keep alive an obsolete

Re: Enable dmarc mitigations

2019-05-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Matthew Miller writes: > On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 12:43:02PM -0700, stan via devel wrote: > > To each their own, of course, but there was a long discussion of > > discourse here a while ago. I tried it out, but it was like a bad > > version of a mailing list. It sent me a mail informing me

Re: Enable dmarc mitigations

2019-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Florian Weimer writes: > Based on some reports, I don't think this is how the Gmail > implementation works. It will discard mailing list mail for senders > with a DMARC policy that does not set p=reject, too. Based on conversations with GMail developers, that has nothing to do with DMARC,

Re: Enable dmarc mitigations

2019-05-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel writes: > I think it should be an option in mailman's settings. Each user can > enable or disable mitigations for his email address. Patches welcome at GNU Mailman. Potential time waste warning: The list owner must have the choice whether to delegate the choice to

Re: Enable dmarc mitigations

2019-05-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On 4/30/19 4:46 AM, Vitaly Zaitsev wrote: > > Hello all! > > > > Currently Fedora mailing lists use "From" field from original messages > > and if sender's domain use DMARC=reject policy, mailing lists > > subscribers cannot receive any messages from such users because

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kevin Fenzi writes: Thanks for the conversation and a lot of useful information. I think it's mostly moved to "users", which is a channel which I think is more suited to forum style. So I'll go back to lurking, after one comment. > Yep. Perhaps we could (re)direct people to file issues with

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On 10/21/18 6:12 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > years now. abompard has a few commits, he and pingu still answer mail > > but that's about it. > > Well, he has 980 commits, much more than anyone else. Sure, but in the last couple of years th

Re: Attention Gmail users, please turn off HTML mail

2018-10-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brian (bex) Exelbierd writes: > The question was genuine. Additionally, even at this site, the user > profile doesn't seem to be present. I doubt there is a user profile chapter or page for HyperKitty at the Mailman project. If there is one, it would be in the HyperKitty docs themselves. >

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kevin Fenzi writes: > Huh. The only person I know of from Fedora at least that was > working on it was abompard. While he's working on other things now, > as far as I know he's still working on mailman3/hyperkitty as time > permits. pingu and abadger also contributed. Don't know their exact

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dan Book writes: > It is not a format of their own, but it's not appropriate for > plaintext, so it sounds like a bug to me. But that's exactly my point. *We* think it's a bug, but *they* chose it deliberately. Undoubtedly people have tools expecting it, etc. I've been on both sides of that

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
stan writes: > So, you are really gung-ho for Discourse. IMO, that's not nasty, but it wasn't necessary and could be taken badly in context. Just, "as a proponent, I'd like to ask you" is good when things are getting heated. Your questions are important[1], and I'd like to gloss them: >

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On 10/19/18 6:43 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > You know why the usage numbers bear that out? Because the upgrade to > > HyperKitty was mishandled and delayed over and over. We were screwed > > over by the fact that our infrastructure doesn't run on Fedora, so > > that made

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Required disclosure: Mailman dev, and my sympathies are with the list advocates for this channel both for that reason, and for more objective ones. I don't really argue against a move to Discourse here, but I do know a bit about the problem space, and I'd like to discuss *some* aspects here. I