On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:17 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 01:13:50PM -0400, Tim Zabel wrote:
> >Hello,
> >I'm a little late to this conversation, but is fpaste in Category 4 due
> > to
> >the high legal costs, or because of a lack of a maintainer?
> >
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 09:17, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 01:13:50PM -0400, Tim Zabel wrote:
> >Hello,
> >I'm a little late to this conversation, but is fpaste in Category 4 due
> > to
> >the high legal costs, or because of a lack of a maintainer?
> >It
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 01:13:50PM -0400, Tim Zabel wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm a little late to this conversation, but is fpaste in Category 4 due to
>the high legal costs, or because of a lack of a maintainer?
>It would be sad to see fpaste go away because of legal reasons. Is there a
>
Hello,
I'm a little late to this conversation, but is fpaste in Category 4 due to
the high legal costs, or because of a lack of a maintainer?
It would be sad to see fpaste go away because of legal reasons. Is there a
better way to handle this?
- Tim Zabel
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:12 PM Adam
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 09:32 +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
>
> > I'd suggest we do what we do all over the place: carry patches as
> > necessary. It sucks, and rebasing is non-trivial work, but I would argue
> > it's not nearly as much work as rebuilding everything from scratch.
> > That's like
* Nicolas Mailhot via devel [23/07/2019 11:51] :
>
> That is not true. Search the list archive for Michael Zhang’s questions on
> how to get Open Liberty in Fedora. About 4 months later, can anyone do a dnf
> install open liberty, pointing to a Fedora repo?
No but that's probably because he got
On 7/23/19 4:18 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
Also, for $DAYJOB, I run a GitLab server. If you think maintaining a
GitLab server is easy, you have another think coming.
For what it's worth: I'm afraid I have to agree. I've been running
Gitlab for my employer for the last 18 months. It's
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 07:18:56AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:47 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >
> > Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> > > As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs
> > > with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos
> > >
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:47 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> > As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs
> > with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos
> > authentication or SAML SSO for groups, or push rule restrictions are
> >
Le 2019-07-23 09:23, Mikolaj Izdebski a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
Huge Red Hat investments, in the Java ecosystem, that fail to
translate
into an healthy Fedora Java ecosystem. To the point that when IBM
wants
its Java guys to join there is
Le 2019-07-23 08:32, Alexander Bokovoy a écrit :
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Keycloak is not generally
Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs
> with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos
> authentication or SAML SSO for groups, or push rule restrictions are
> part of commercial offering but not available in the community
Our dist-git stack has a bunch of customization and personalization that
are not currently available on gitlab nor any other opensource forge,
and some of them will collide with gitlab's CE vs EE edition model, so
they'll be hard to get to upstream. Right now we have at least a custom
auth
On ti, 23 heinä 2019, Michal Konecny wrote:
On 7/22/19 9:04 PM, Jeremy Cline wrote:
Sure, I don't think GitLab is perfect and it has its pain-points.
Working with upstream to make it better for all the communities using it
seems like a much better way to spend our collective time, though.
I
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
> Huge Red Hat investments, in the Java ecosystem, that fail to translate
> into an healthy Fedora Java ecosystem. To the point that when IBM wants
> its Java guys to join there is absolutely no one Fedora-side to provide
> an
Le 2019-07-22 21:04, Jeremy Cline a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
It is mostly due to supportability of the packages in Fedora. Java
products tend to be split into smaller packages and an overhead for
On 7/22/19 9:04 PM, Jeremy Cline wrote:
Sure, I don't think GitLab is perfect and it has its pain-points.
Working with upstream to make it better for all the communities using it
seems like a much better way to spend our collective time, though.
I totally agree, working on something that will
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Keycloak is not generally Fedora contributor friendly. Aside from it
> > being
Jeremy Cline wrote:
> In my opinion Fedora is spinning its wheels here, and the vehicle isn't
> even pointed in the right direction. Gnome is on GitLab. Debian and the
> graphics stack is moving to GitLab AFAIK.
KDE is also moving from Phabricator to GitLab.
Kevin Kofler
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > Keycloak is not generally Fedora contributor friendly. Aside from it
> > > being written in Java (which is
Le 2019-07-22 17:29, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
> Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in
> infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :(
On Mon, 2019-07-22 at 07:23 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> if the Wiki
> > explodes and nobody will ever fix it,
>
> The wiki is fully supported, at least as long as QA uses it for their
> TCMS. :)
...and that's likely to remain the case until someone manages to find
or write a better one :/
--
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
wrote:
> > >
> > >
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
> Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
>
> > Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in
> > infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :(
>
> It’s not just Modularity. Modularity is
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> On 7/22/19 1:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> >> Good Morning,
> >>
> >> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
> >> feedback, field questions and get some
On 7/22/19 1:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>> Good Morning,
>>
>> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
>> feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on
>> the approach that we in Community
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good Morning,
> > > >
> > >
Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in
infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :(
It’s not just Modularity. Modularity is just a symptom. There is
something deeply broken in the Red Hat / Fedora interface.
On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Good Morning,
We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on
the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are taking.
[1]
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 22:38 Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon <
> pin...@pingoured.fr> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good Morning,
> > > >
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good Morning,
> > >
> > > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
>
On 7/17/19 10:00 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2
are very short. My second reaction is that this page doesn't sell me that
I should use Python in any business-critical software...
These categories are not complete at all.
On 7/17/19 10:40 AM, Timothée Floure wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I do not think it would be good for apps.fp.o to simply disappear: although
> outdated, it does a pretty good job improving human-discoverability of our
> services. I understand that longtime or active contributors are not really
> affected
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 22:00 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2
> are very short.
Category 1 is not a list. It says: "For completeness we are
highlighting one example of a Category 1 application that we will
always aim to
* Peter Robinson [17/07/2019 14:07] :
>
> It would be useful to have the CPE mission linked to directly, it's
> mentioned a number of times in the post but I don't see a direct way
> to get to it.
It's in the first link on that page:
My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2
are very short. My second reaction is that this page doesn't sell me that
I should use Python in any business-critical software...
Is release-monitoring.org also maintained by the CPE? It's being broken for
ages and I
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
> > feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 15:38, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 13:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > My frustration is that people who aren’t working at Red Hat have *no*
> > avenue to help support the Project’s infrastructure.
>
> On what basis do you say this? The whole infra
On 7/17/19 10:32 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> I don’t have a problem with you saying you can’t maintain everything
> and focusing on stuff *to* maintain. But I have been trying for
> *months* to try to help in various efforts as a member of the
> community. There’s very little I can do because
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 14:10, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are two issues to unpack
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 13:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> My frustration is that people who aren’t working at Red Hat have *no*
> avenue to help support the Project’s infrastructure.
On what basis do you say this? The whole infra process is set up to be
a Fedora process, not an RH one. You don't use
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 20:10, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are two issues to
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 13:46, Brian (bex) Exelbierd
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are two
Hello,
I do not think it would be good for apps.fp.o to simply disappear: although
outdated, it does a pretty good job improving human-discoverability of our
services. I understand that longtime or active contributors are not really
affected but I believe the index to be helpful for newcomers (as
> "FW" == Florian Weimer writes:
FW> I strongly doubt this will be true indefinitely. I expect things
FW> will change pretty quickly once partners can access and file bugs in
FW> the other bug tracker.
This is interesting in light of the fact that one reason given for not
enabling Pagure
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> There are two issues to unpack here:
>>
>> 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> There are two issues to unpack here:
>>
>> 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> wrote:
> >
>
> There are two issues to unpack here:
>
> 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol extensions.
>
> This should definitely be replaced if it makes sense. It’s more
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:13 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:09 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
> >
> > * Peter Robinson:
> >
> > >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> > >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> > >> >
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 10:09, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Peter Robinson:
>
> >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering
>
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:09 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
>
> * Peter Robinson:
>
> >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 03:20:34PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Peter Robinson:
>
> >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform
* Peter Robinson:
>> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
>> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
>> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering
>> > (CPE) are taking.
>>
>> Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
> Good Morning,
>
> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
> feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on
> the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are
> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering
> > (CPE) are taking.
>
> Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty harsh. Will Red Hat do the
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
> Good Morning,
>
> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner
> feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on
> the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are
* Pierre-Yves Chibon:
> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to
> garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the
> Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering
> (CPE) are taking.
Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty harsh. Will Red
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