[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2019-01-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - We have begun to remove content from the wiki. The old pages should all now have links to the new docs site. As we continue to work on the new documents, the corresponding wiki pages will be emptied and left only with the link to th

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-09-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The Python packaging guidelines have been updated to reflect the fact that Python 2 is deprecated. All relevant information for legacy Python 2 packaging has been moved to the appendix. Together with this change, the rule for naming

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-07-24 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The packaging guidelines for enabling services by default were significantly revised to emphasize that services starting by default should fail only in exceptional conditions, and to provide additional guidance for services related t

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-06-15 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - In Fedora 28 (and rawhide), the texinfo scriptlets (which call install-info) are no longer necessary and should be removed or, for cross-release specfiles, wrapped in conditionals. Note that there are nearly 300 specs currently callin

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-05-25 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - Many changes have been made to the Ruby packaging guidelines to reflect the current state of Ruby packaging. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby * https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/710 Note that the macros requ

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-04-24 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 24.4.2018 15:32, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23.4.2018 21:37, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: On 04/23/2018 01:06 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: The Python guidelines now more clearly indicate that use of %{__python}, %{python_sitelib} and %{python_sitearch} is forbidden.   * https://fedoraproject.org/wi

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-04-24 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23.4.2018 21:37, Mátyás Selmeci wrote: On 04/23/2018 01:06 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: The Python guidelines now more clearly indicate that use of %{__python}, %{python_sitelib} and %{python_sitearch} is forbidden.   * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Macros   * https://pa

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-04-23 Thread Mátyás Selmeci
On 04/23/2018 01:06 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: The Python guidelines now more clearly indicate that use of %{__python}, %{python_sitelib} and %{python_sitearch} is forbidden. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Macros * https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/745 Th

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-04-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - A note was added to the Python guidelines indicating that the python2 stack may go away and that upstreams should be contacted about software not yet ported to python3. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Python_Versi

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-02-14 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Just this one change, but it has implications for many packages. The Scriptlet guidelines have received several changes regarding the installation of shared libraries and ldconfig. Use of the new macros is detailed, and there is a new section on the scriptlets required when linker configuration f

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2018-01-30 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. We have more things coming in concert with various distro changes that are happening, but I wanted to get these two out there now. - The icon cache scriptlets were removed from the scriptlet guidelines, as no live Fedora release needs

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-11-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - Following releng approval, the restrictions on the use of rich/Boolean dependencies have been lifted. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rich.2FBoolean_dependencies * https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/55

Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-06-07 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The guidelines for enabling services by default modified to indicate that FESCo approval is required for services which change the behavior of other services. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:DefaultServices#Restrictions *

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-08 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 07/03/17 13:41 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: "JW" == Jonathan Wakely writes: JW> The template at JW> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#SPEC_templates_and_examples JW> still shows %install cleaning the buildroot as the first step, JW> should that be corrected?

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-08 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JW" == Jonathan Wakely writes: JW> Sure. I was checking whether I should make the change myself, not JW> complaining it hadn't been done. You are of course welcome to change any page that isn't in one of the protected hierarchies (Packaging:, Legal:). We certainly need more people willin

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-07 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JW" == Jonathan Wakely writes: JW> The template at JW> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#SPEC_templates_and_examples JW> still shows %install cleaning the buildroot as the first step, JW> should that be corrected? There are probably any number of pages which the

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-07 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2017-03-07 at 14:29 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > > > The Tags and Sections section of the main guidelines was modified > > to > > use "SHOULD" and "MUST" language throughout, and to either > > discourage > > or prohibit the use of certain tags and sections. The section is > > short, >

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-07 Thread Jonathan Wakely
> The Tags and Sections section of the main guidelines was modified to > use "SHOULD" and "MUST" language throughout, and to either discourage > or prohibit the use of certain tags and sections. The section is short, > so I've included it below. > > " > * The Copyright:, Packager:, Vendor: and Pre

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.3.2017 v 02:33 Jason L Tibbitts III napsal(a): > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > > > > The guidelines on versioning packages were completely rewritten in order > to make them (hopefully) more comprehensible. This rewrite was not > intended to introduce functi

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > * Allowing "MMDD.commithash" (instead of requiring mention of > the SCM in use) in the "snapshot information" field. What's the point of allowing that format? 1. It destroys consistency (and the fact that the formats are now "suggested" rather than required d

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-03-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. The guidelines on versioning packages were completely rewritten in order to make them (hopefully) more comprehensible. This rewrite was not intended to introduce functional changes, but during the draft process the following small chan

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-02-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "TK" == Tomasz Kłoczko writes: TK> And now someone should add to git filtering off above, process all TK> spec files in git repos and commit necessary changes adding in TK> commit comment link to updated guidelines. Yes, I have some scripts brewing but I am not going to try and do that unt

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-02-17 Thread Tomasz Kłoczko
On 17 February 2017 at 03:35, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > * The Copyright:, Packager:, Vendor: and PreReq: tags MUST NOT be used. > * The BuildRoot: tag and %clean section SHOULD NOT be used. > * The contents of the buildroot SHOULD NOT be removed in the first line > of %install. > * The Summ

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-02-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Oops, one additional change was made which I left out of the previous announcement. A section was added to the Python guidelines describing the automatic generation of Provides: which was added in Fedora 25. Descriptions of three new macros were also added. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packa

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2017-02-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The systemd section of the scriptlet guidelines was updated to indicate situations where the %systemd_ordering macro may be used instead of %systemd_requires. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Scriptlets#Systemd * https://fe

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-10-04 Thread Pavel Raiskup
On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 2:27:44 PM CEST Andrea Musuruane wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Andrea Musuruane wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III > > wrote: > >> > >> Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > >> > >> - > >> > >>

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-10-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Andrea Musuruane wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: >> >> Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. >> >> - >> >> The Filesystem Layout section of the guidelines was simplified and >> outdated information

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-08-23 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > > - > > The Filesystem Layout section of the guidelines was simplified and > outdated information was removed. > > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines >

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-08-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The Filesystem Layout section of the guidelines was simplified and outdated information was removed. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Filesystem_Layout * http

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-05-11 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The section on the use of pregenerated code was amended to indicate the preference for having tools necessary to regenerate such code be free software and packaged in Fedora. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines * htt

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-03-29 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "RD" == Rex Dieter writes: RD> Perhaps fpc folks missed my recent related post: That change was actually made quite some time before I sent the announcement. Sometimes I get behind. - J< -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-03-29 Thread Rex Dieter
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. ... > The use of rich (or Boolean) dependencies is now OK for F23+. > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rich.2FBoolean_dependencies > * https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/593 Perhaps fpc

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-03-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 07:15:31PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > The use of rich (or Boolean) dependencies is now OK for F23+. > * > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rich.2FBoolean_dependencies > * https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/593 Exciting. A little scary. :)

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-03-29 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The use of rich (or Boolean) dependencies is now OK for F23+. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Rich.2FBoolean_dependencies * https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/593 - The ban on the use of the %systemd_

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-25 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - Some PHP scriptlets are now unnecessary in F24 due to the use of file triggers. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:PHP#PECL_Modules * https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/597 - A page describing the implementation of L

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Mat Booth
On 22 February 2016 at 17:38, Corey Sheldon wrote: > > Kevin, et al. > > I am willing to help with the re-write but admittedly some of it will require a crash course for me. > > > On 02/22/2016 11:31 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:02:45 + > Mat Booth wrote: > > Wow, that "H

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Mat Booth
On 22 February 2016 at 16:31, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:02:45 + > Mat Booth wrote: > > > Wow, that "HOWTO" is a really old page -- not changed since being > > imported from the old moin moin wiki. My feeling is that page should > > be deleted and the "How to create an RPM p

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Corey Sheldon
Kevin, et al. I am willing to help with the re-write but admittedly some of it will require a crash course for me. On 02/22/2016 11:31 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:02:45 + > Mat Booth wrote: > >> Wow, that "HOWTO" is a really old page -- not changed since being >> imported

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:02:45 + Mat Booth wrote: > Wow, that "HOWTO" is a really old page -- not changed since being > imported from the old moin moin wiki. My feeling is that page should > be deleted and the "How to create an RPM package" page should be > updated. > > Here is the official gu

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Mat Booth
On 22 February 2016 at 10:54, Kamil Paral wrote: > > RWMJ> Is that new? > > > > Not really. The change relating to what's in the buildroot was made > > about nine months ago: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/497 > > I created my first COPR over this weekend. I worked according to: > https://f

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-22 Thread Kamil Paral
> RWMJ> Is that new? > > Not really. The change relating to what's in the buildroot was made > about nine months ago: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/497 I created my first COPR over this weekend. I worked according to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package because that

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 09:29:16AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:07:29 + > "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > > Here's a video demonstrating this: > > > > http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/packaging-caching/ > > I think this is fallout from some problems we had with a memcac

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:07:29 + "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > Here's a video demonstrating this: > > http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/packaging-caching/ I think this is fallout from some problems we had with a memcached server yesterday. I've cleared out our varnish cache, so it should hopefu

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Here's a video demonstrating this: http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/packaging-caching/ Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows prog

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 09:29:56AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi Jason, > > On 18-02-16 08:33, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > > > >- > > > >A section on the treatment of pregenerated code has been added to the > >main guideline page

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "HdG" == Hans de Goede writes: HdG> I was specifically interested in this one, but this seems to be HdG> missing from the wiki page ? That URL certainly works for me. Here's the text: Use of pregenerated code Often a package will contain code which was itself generated by other code. Th

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-19 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi Jason, On 18-02-16 08:33, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - A section on the treatment of pregenerated code has been added to the main guideline page. *​https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Use_of_pregenerated_code

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "RWMJ" == Richard W M Jones writes: RWMJ> Is that new? Not really. The change relating to what's in the buildroot was made about nine months ago: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/497 RWMJ> I'm fairly sure I've got a lot of packages that assume gcc is RWMJ> there as part of the basic e

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-18 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 10:04 AM Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > *​https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Packaging_for_EPEL > *​https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging > *​https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/599 > > T

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-18 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 01:33:28AM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > A new page for guidelines specific to C and C++ has been added. > > *​https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:C_and_C%2B%2B?rd=C_and_C++ > *​https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/540 "If your application is a C or C++ app

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2016-02-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - A section on the treatment of pregenerated code has been added to the main guideline page. *​https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Use_of_pregenerated_code *​https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/580 - Text was ad

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-11-10 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NG" == Neal Gompa writes: NG> In regards to boolean/rich dependencies, DNF should NG> support them fine, because libsolv (the depsolver library) NG> does. This ban came a the direct request of one of the DNF project managers during Flock. The final syntax hadn't even been chosen then. O

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
Hey Jason, In regards to boolean/rich dependencies, DNF should support them fine, because libsolv (the depsolver library) does. During the F23 development cycle, libsolv's support for them was switched on, and as of F23 release, they should work. As for the build system, Koji should be able to han

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-11-10 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The guidelines were updated to reflect the current policy that Fedora packages are no longer permitted to carry SysV-style initscripts. The relevant guidelines page has been moved to the EPEL hierarchy. * https://fedoraproject.org/w

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-07 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
11:34:06 PM > > > Subject: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines > > > > > > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. > > > > > > - > > > > > > The big change is that the Python guidelines have

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-06 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "VS" == Ville Skyttä writes: VS> I have a bug report about the macros. Where should I file it, FPC VS> ticket or Bugzilla against the python* packages that ship the VS> affected macro files? Oops, I didn't see your mailing list post until well after I saw the ticket. Unfortunately this ki

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-06 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 10:03:00AM -0400, Robert Kuska wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Jason L Tibbitts III" > > To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:34:06 PM > > Subject: [Guidelines change

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-06 Thread Robert Kuska
- Original Message - > From: "Jason L Tibbitts III" > To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:34:06 PM > Subject: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines > > Here are the recent changes

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-05 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:11:26 +0300 > Ville Skyttä wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III >> wrote: >> > The big change is that the Python guidelines have been extensively >> > reorganized and partially rewritten, and

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:11:26 +0300 Ville Skyttä wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: > > The big change is that the Python guidelines have been extensively > > reorganized and partially rewritten, and new macros are available > > which simplify packaging by remo

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-05 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > The big change is that the Python guidelines have been extensively > reorganized and partially rewritten, and new macros are available which > simplify packaging by removing some of the boilerplate which was > previously required. I h

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-08-04 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. - The big change is that the Python guidelines have been extensively reorganized and partially rewritten, and new macros are available which simplify packaging by removing some of the boilerplate which was previously required. The main

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-10 Thread Jan Zelený
On 10. 7. 2015 at 09:45:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 10:32 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 11:22 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Is there any case to allow Supplements: in the Fedora Collection? > > > It > > > seems to me like this could be pr

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-10 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 10:32 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 11:22 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > Is there any case to allow Supplements: in the Fedora Collection? > > It > > seems to me like this could be problematic. (e.g. I write a plugin > > for > > a popular engin

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-10 Thread Björn Persson
Jerry James wrote: > First, what is a hint? Does that word refer collectively to all weak > dependencies? The wiki page doesn't say, so I'm left to guess. That seemed perfectly clear to me. Note how the word is introduced: “They come in two strengths: "weak" and "hint" [...]” The meaning of “we

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-10 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 21:42 -0600, Jerry James wrote: > If that is not what the word means, then a definition > in the introduction would be very helpful, since there is no > definition anywhere on that page. A hint is a weak dependency that does not affect the default package suggestion: Suggests

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-09 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 08:13:58PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:WeakDependencies > > Awesome -- thanks, FPC! This is really exciting. That is exciting! Thanks to everyone involved in this

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-09 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-07-09 at 11:22 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Is there any case to allow Supplements: in the Fedora Collection? It > seems to me like this could be problematic. (e.g. I write a plugin > for > a popular engine and package it, then add Supplements: so that it > gets > pulled in by d

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-09 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, 2015-07-08 at 20:13 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. Note that > there is also a set of Python guideline changes pending which I will > send in a separate announcement. > > - > > Guidelines for making use of weak dependenci

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 08:13:58PM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:WeakDependencies Awesome -- thanks, FPC! This is really exciting. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedora

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-07-08 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines. Note that there is also a set of Python guideline changes pending which I will send in a separate announcement. - Guidelines for making use of weak dependencies (Recommends:, Suggests:, etc.) have been added. *​https://fedoraproject.

Re: Build-essential packages (was: Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines)

2015-06-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 08:36:38 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > On 05/21/2015 10:11 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > The BuildRequires section of the guidelines has been revised; the > > exceptions list is gone. The release engineering folks are free to > > define the buildroot and rpm is free t

Build-essential packages (was: Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines)

2015-06-10 Thread Florian Weimer
On 05/21/2015 10:11 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > The BuildRequires section of the guidelines has been revised; the > exceptions list is gone. The release engineering folks are free to > define the buildroot and rpm is free to change its dependency list. > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pa

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-26 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
sgallagh wrote: > [...] Yes, I thought my new phrasing was more clearly expressing > the original intent of the statement as I understood it. [...] I > think we should perhaps discuss this at the weekly FESCo meeting. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1446 > This is what I get for trying

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-26 Thread Miloslav Trmač
> Yes, that's the way I understand it too. The distinction between local > and remote is that remote attacks are in general more likely and thus > dangerous. > This is a good assumption - I'm sure that on most installations of Fedora > there's just one or a few trusted users, and they outnumber ins

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-26 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, > > Nevertheless, you raise an interesting question in general. The way > > I understand the motivation for the restriction is to avoid any > > chance of attack or unexpected access over the network. [...] > > OK, so the question is - are we (still) trying to preclude -local- > escalation

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 14:46 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 07:24:07AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > > > zbyszek wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > Clarification: this change did not touch this part of the policy: > > > that > > > definition got copied over fro

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-24 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 07:24:07AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > zbyszek wrote: > > > [...] > > Clarification: this change did not touch this part of the policy: that > > definition got copied over from the guidelines [1]. [...] > > (The previous wording said a package that "...does not lis

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 07:24:07AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > OK, so the question is - are we (still) trying to preclude -local- > escalation-of-privileges type problems? If not, then many more > services can be enabled by default - as long as they bind only to > unix-domain sockets and/or l

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-23 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
zbyszek wrote: > [...] > Clarification: this change did not touch this part of the policy: that > definition got copied over from the guidelines [1]. [...] (The previous wording said a package that "...does not listen on a network socket..." can be enabled by default, which was a broader restric

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:26:48AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > I'd personally prefer to assume the best intentions of our packagers; > > specifically I'd assume that if there's a question as to the safety of > > starting something by default, either they'd bring it up voluntarily or > > some

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-22 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
sgallagh wrote: > [...] > The definition of "public" was intentionally vague, but perhaps we > could try to find a better way to say it. I was trying to treat it as > "network interfaces that accept connections from arbitrary sources". OK ... > I'm not sure that there's a tremendously meaningfu

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-21 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 21:03 -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Jason L Tibbitts III writes: > > > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines: > > [...] > > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:DefaultServices > > [...] > > In this context (1.1 "locally running services"), what

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-21 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Jason L Tibbitts III writes: > Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines: > [...] > * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:DefaultServices > [...] In this context (1.1 "locally running services"), what is a "public network socket"? Is the idea that localhost services are now

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-05-21 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines: The policy for systemd presets has been modified to merge the individual treatments of service, socket and timer units into one policy. The policy page was also moved into the packaging guidelines proper. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pa

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-04-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines: The guidelines for packaging static libraries were amended to indicate that the -static package should require the -devel package: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Packaging_Static_Libraries_2 * https://fedoraproject

[Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-03-10 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Here are the recent changes to the packaging guidelines: The documentation section of the guidelines has been updated to include a prohibition on using both %doc and direct installation of files into %_pkgdocdir. * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Documentation * https://fedo

[Guidelines Change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-02-06 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
A few more changes this week: The Byte compilation section of the Python packaging guidelines was rewritten to include information about packaging the pycache directories generated by newer Python versions. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Byte_compiling https://fedorahosted.org

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:56:13 -0400 Bill Nottingham wrote: > Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said: > > As part of the ongoing effort to update the guidelines for an > > eventual change from python2 to python3 as the default python we're > > promoting use of %{python2}, %{python2_sitelib}, and

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said: > As part of the ongoing effort to update the guidelines for an eventual > change from python2 to python3 as the default python we're promoting use > of %{python2}, %{python2_sitelib}, and %{python2_sitearch} instead of > the unversioned %{python}, %{python

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.2014 03:35, schrieb Kevin Kofler: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> in fact *nothing* at all should refer to /bin and /sbin after UsrMove >> as the waeking of the package guidelines is a sign of missing courage >> in the context of such invasive changes - well, looks like i need >> to continue fix

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: > in fact *nothing* at all should refer to /bin and /sbin after UsrMove > as the waeking of the package guidelines is a sign of missing courage > in the context of such invasive changes - well, looks like i need > to continue fix the still extsinting mess of that half-baken cha

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Panu Matilainen wrote: > Right. CLEARLY this would've been Just The Thing to do when /bin changed > from a directory to a /usr/bin symlink. Right? That UsrMove nonsense was just the wrong thing to do altogether, we are still suffering the consequences of the mess, as evidenced by that other guid

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > But this is where the answers start to have drawbacks. As just one > example, renaming the directory will break other packages which installed > files into that directory. Oh, I was thinking of unowned files. If the files inside the directory are owned by other packages,

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.03.2014 20:05, schrieb Panu Matilainen: > On 03/09/2014 04:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> Directory and file interaction is a hard problem. There's no right thing >>> to do in this case. The many possible things we could do all have one >>> drawback or another in

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/09/2014 04:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Directory and file interaction is a hard problem. There's no right thing to do in this case. The many possible things we could do all have one drawback or another in certain cases. The right thing is clear: If all the files in

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mar 9, 2014 7:49 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Directory and file interaction is a hard problem. There's no right thing > > to do in this case. The many possible things we could do all have one > > drawback or another in certain cases. > > The right thing is clear: I

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Directory and file interaction is a hard problem. There's no right thing > to do in this case. The many possible things we could do all have one > drawback or another in certain cases. The right thing is clear: If all the files inside the directory are owned by packages

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mar 8, 2014 11:57 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Tom Callaway wrote: > > > Changes to python-setuptools in F20 cause easy_install to install egg > > files instead of egg directories by default. This sometimes causes > > problems for rpms of multi-version python modules as the egg filenames > > a

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2014-03-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mar 8, 2014 11:57 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Tom Callaway wrote: > > The prohibition against packages installing files into /bin, /sbin, > > /lib, and /lib4 has been removed and a section explaining how Fedora's > > UsrMove? feature interacts with the rpm %files section has been added. > >

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