Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-10 Thread Ben Boeckel
On Mon, 29 Apr, 2013 at 23:36:22 GMT, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: The key to minimizing a desktop IMHO is getting a lighter browser. It's really hard to use a machine without a browser these days, and both Firefox and Chromium are humongous. They've got great JavaScript engines but who needs

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 1 mai 2013 01:37, Sandro Mani a écrit : (here it might be a good idea to have the dejavu-sans-fonts as dependencies of kdm / kde-workspace?) Please not, such font hardcoding in deps does not age well. If you want to preselect specific font packages, do it via comps groups. -- Nicolas

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 1 mai 2013 02:17, Sandro Mani a écrit : On 01.05.2013 02:08, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: # yum install @critical-path-gnome The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and kdm, but a minimal set would rather look

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-03 Thread Sandro Mani
On 03.05.2013 14:20, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 1 mai 2013 02:17, Sandro Mani a écrit : On 01.05.2013 02:08, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: # yum install @critical-path-gnome The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-02 Thread Kalev Lember
On 01/05/13 01:37, Sandro Mani wrote: On 30.04.2013 11:38, Kalev Lember wrote: On 29/04/13 16:58, Sandro Mani wrote: (FWIW, I guess telepathy-logger should be a dependency of gnome-shell) I'll look into adding the telepathy-logger dep to gnome-shell. I guess something should have a dep on

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-05-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 10:52 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 04/29/2013 10:01 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That said, if someone wanted to do the exploration, come up with those minimal package sets and propose them for inclusion to comps.xml (with the blessing of the related desktop SIG), I

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-30 Thread Kalev Lember
On 29/04/13 16:58, Sandro Mani wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments which pull in basesystem + xorg + mesa drivers + displaymanager + bare desktop

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-30 Thread Sandro Mani
On 30.04.2013 11:38, Kalev Lember wrote: On 29/04/13 16:58, Sandro Mani wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments which pull in basesystem + xorg + mesa

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: # yum install @critical-path-gnome The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and kdm, but a minimal set would rather look like base + xorg + mesa + kdm kde-workspace dejavu-sans-fonts dejavu-sans-mono-fonts (here

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-30 Thread Sandro Mani
On 01.05.2013 02:08, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: # yum install @critical-path-gnome The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and kdm, but a minimal set would rather look like base + xorg + mesa + kdm kde-workspace

Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, From time to time, when setting up virtual machines for testing, I miss a fast way to install the minimal set of packages which allows me to boot into the desktop of a desktop environment. Currently, I do a minimal install, then install some core component, i.e. gnome-shell, and then hunt the

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:07:58 +0200 Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, From time to time, when setting up virtual machines for testing, I miss a fast way to install the minimal set of packages which allows me to boot into the desktop of a desktop environment. Currently, I do a

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Rich Mattes
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments which pull in basesystem + xorg + mesa drivers + displaymanager + bare desktop shell? Do the groups already provided in comps.xml[1] not work for this

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes richmat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments which pull in basesystem + xorg + mesa drivers + displaymanager + bare desktop

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2013 10:55 AM, Rich Mattes wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com mailto:manisan...@gmail.com wrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments which pull in basesystem +

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Johannes Lips
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes richmat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.comwrote: So, what about creating groups for the various desktop environments

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-29 15:07 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: From time to time, when setting up virtual machines for testing, I miss a fast way to install the minimal set of packages which allows me to boot into the desktop of a desktop environment. Currently, I do a minimal install, then install some

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2013 10:55 AM, Rich Mattes wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com mailto:manisan...@gmail.com wrote: So, what about

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 04/29/2013 10:01 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That said, if someone wanted to do the exploration, come up with those minimal package sets and propose them for inclusion to comps.xml (with the blessing of the related desktop SIG), I have no problems with it myself. To a certain extent, this

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 29 avril 2013 à 16:58 +0200, Sandro Mani a écrit : On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes richmat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: So, what about creating groups for the

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
On 29.04.2013 19:21, Michael Scherer wrote: Le lundi 29 avril 2013 à 16:58 +0200, Sandro Mani a écrit : On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Rich Mattes richmat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-29 19:49 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: Michael Scherer wrote: minimal is not well defined. I would define minimal as the absolute minimal set of packages which allows the shell to load. This resulting setup is not meant to be usable without the user installing additional

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:49:23PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: I would define minimal as the absolute minimal set of packages which allows the shell to load. This resulting setup is not meant to be usable without the user installing additional packages he or she wishes. So such groups would not

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
On 29.04.2013 20:42, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:49:23PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: I would define minimal as the absolute minimal set of packages which allows the shell to load. This resulting setup is not meant to be usable without the user installing additional

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
My minimal desktop is OpenBox with fbpanel and lightdm. I'm guessing there are others; openSUSE has a minimal desktop using a stripped IceWM. I've lived comfortably with WindowMaker and even twm. The key to minimizing a desktop IMHO is getting a lighter browser. It's really hard to use a machine

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Sandro Mani
On 29.04.2013 20:10, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-04-29 19:49 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: Michael Scherer wrote: minimal is not well defined. I would define minimal as the absolute minimal set of packages which allows the shell to load. This resulting setup is not meant to be usable

Re: Idea: {Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop groups

2013-04-29 Thread Rex Dieter
Sandro Mani wrote: I would define minimal as the absolute minimal set of packages which allows the shell to load For kde, at least, that pretty much matches what 'kde-workspace' is. -- rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org