Re: MATE Desktop support?
Once upon a time, Pavel Solovev said: > MATE follows the even stable / odd unstable versioning system. 1.27 is an > under development,pre-release. Ahh, my mistake then! Sorry about that. I guess I run into that type of versioning less these days, so it didn't cross my mind. Now if I can just figure out my particular issues with MATE... :) -- Chris Adams ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: MATE Desktop support?
MATE follows the even stable / odd unstable versioning system. 1.27 is an under development,pre-release. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
MATE Desktop support?
I was trying to figure out some issues I'm seeing with mate-media (which don't appear to be addressed upstream), and noticed that Fedora has 1.26.1 while upstream released 1.27.0 last November (and 1.27.1 last month). Is MATE still getting support in Fedora? I would have thought Fedora 38 at least would get the latest release, when it was released well before the Fedora 38 Change deadline. Rawhide is also still on 1.26.1. It doesn't look like there's a MATE SIG to contact. Note I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything like that (I understand people get busy with other things, move on, etc.); this is more "is MATE a viable desktop to use with Fedora?" question. -- Chris Adams ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, Greg Bailey wrote: I think I tried building Mate 1.22 on CentOS 7 but ran into issues where it needed a newer GCC than CentOS 7 provides, and I wasn't up for the complexity challenge of building it using a different toolchain... :) CentOS 7 has the softwarecollections repo with the devtoolset packages, eg http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/Packages/d/devtoolset-7-gcc-7.3.1-5.16.el7.x86_64.rpm http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/Packages/d/devtoolset-7-gcc-c++-7.3.1-5.16.el7.x86_64.rpm I haven't tried on SL7/CentOS7/RHEL7 but on SL6, the devtoolset packages make using a newer GCC trivial with the "scl" command. I do admit that I prefer the environment modules I have written as an alternative to scl (they change the environment of the existing shell rather than putting me in a new shell with the new compilers). -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK and...@aitchison.me.uk___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
On 6/5/20 10:35 AM, H wrote: On June 5, 2020 11:21:07 AM EDT, Greg Bailey wrote: On 6/5/20 2:21 AM, Menanteau wrote: Hi there, is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see any answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. Thanks I run Mate on both CentOS 7 and CentOS 8. For CentOS 7, I run Mate 1.20 using RPMs I built myself that are in turn derived from the sources in Fedora. I've posted previously about this build and how others could use it if they want [1]. For CentOS 8, I run Mate 1.22 using the stenstorp copr repo [2]. Both builds of Mate have worked flawlessly. I'd love to see the EPEL build of Mate upgraded for CentOS 7, and introduced for CentOS 8. I'm a Fedora packager and have considered assisting with this, but I believe the Fedora maintainer is not interested in EPEL builds of this, and I don't have experience with managing larger groups of packages like Mate. -Greg [1] https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173799.html [2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/ Greg, I should really try to build it myself since I have a problem with HiDPI monitors not properly supported in the available build. I need to review your notes carefully since I have no experience building anything complex - yet... By "the available build" are you referring to the current 1.16 version in EPEL 7 ? You should be able to try my 1.20 build by adding a yum repo. Have you also tried to build the most recent version available? I think I tried building Mate 1.22 on CentOS 7 but ran into issues where it needed a newer GCC than CentOS 7 provides, and I wasn't up for the complexity challenge of building it using a different toolchain... :) -Greg ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
On June 5, 2020 11:21:07 AM EDT, Greg Bailey wrote: >On 6/5/20 2:21 AM, Menanteau wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? >> >> There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see >> any answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. >> >> Thanks > >I run Mate on both CentOS 7 and CentOS 8. > >For CentOS 7, I run Mate 1.20 using RPMs I built myself that are in >turn >derived from the sources in Fedora. I've posted previously about this >build and how others could use it if they want [1]. > >For CentOS 8, I run Mate 1.22 using the stenstorp copr repo [2]. > >Both builds of Mate have worked flawlessly. I'd love to see the EPEL >build of Mate upgraded for CentOS 7, and introduced for CentOS 8. I'm >a >Fedora packager and have considered assisting with this, but I believe >the Fedora maintainer is not interested in EPEL builds of this, and I >don't have experience with managing larger groups of packages like >Mate. > >-Greg > >[1] https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173799.html >[2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/ >___ >epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe send an email to >epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >Fedora Code of Conduct: >https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >List Archives: >https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Greg, I should really try to build it myself since I have a problem with HiDPI monitors not properly supported in the available build. I need to review your notes carefully since I have no experience building anything complex - yet... Have you also tried to build the most recent version available? I do wish it was maintained in EPEL. ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
On 6/5/20 2:21 AM, Menanteau wrote: Hi there, is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see any answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. Thanks I run Mate on both CentOS 7 and CentOS 8. For CentOS 7, I run Mate 1.20 using RPMs I built myself that are in turn derived from the sources in Fedora. I've posted previously about this build and how others could use it if they want [1]. For CentOS 8, I run Mate 1.22 using the stenstorp copr repo [2]. Both builds of Mate have worked flawlessly. I'd love to see the EPEL build of Mate upgraded for CentOS 7, and introduced for CentOS 8. I'm a Fedora packager and have considered assisting with this, but I believe the Fedora maintainer is not interested in EPEL builds of this, and I don't have experience with managing larger groups of packages like Mate. -Greg [1] https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173799.html [2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/ ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 05:21, Menanteau wrote: > Hi there, > > is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? > > EPEL is not a distribution and does not have 'plans' to produce things for certain releases. Nobody is paid to work on EPEL versus paid to work on Fedora so the packages here are those that volunteers have the time and energy to do. Thus EPEL is more of a Stone Soup collection of packages branched from Fedora. I believe we are currently looking for new maintainers of the MATE and Cinnamon stacks as the people who were doing various parts have had other things come up in the last year for a good portion of their time (I may be confusing this with some other desktops however). > There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see any > answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. > > Thanks > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: Mate desktop environment update
If you (or others) haven't already done so, a bugzilla requesting an update might be best. Many times packagers aren't on the epel-devel mailing list, and/or have it filtered. On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:22 AM Menanteau wrote: > > Hi there, > > is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? > > There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see any > answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. > > Thanks > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Mate desktop environment update
Hi there, is there a plan to update Mate in EPEL ? There was a demand to update to Mate 1.8 years ago but I didn't see any answer. Mate 1.24 is currently available. Thanks ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
pulp is really good except it is sort of heavy for small deployment. The tricky part is the time to freeze or branch. Can it branch via every EPEL update? What is the update mode for EPEL – randomly update with individual package or regular update with bunch of packages as whole? I assume the former. From: Trey Dockendorf [mailto:treyd...@gmail.com] Sent: 星期四, 四月 26, 2018 2:31 To: EPEL Development List Subject: [EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop Could look into Pulp, https://pulpproject.org/, which I've used in the past to freeze a copy of EPEL locally to avoid updates when I needed to keep systems frozen on specific minor releases of CentOS. Pulp allowed me to efficiently create multiple copies of the EPEL repos that I could point my various systems at, some getting latest and some getting frozen. - Trey On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Fred Liu <fred_...@issi.com<mailto:fred_...@issi.com>> wrote: Totally agree. And quick iteration is the nut of Linux especially for personal usage. But in enterprise scenario, there’s normalization. That is why LTS and subscription make sense. I am not gonna troll in 《cathedral and bazaar》. ^:^ Originally I am thinking about downloading rpm packages from EPEL and merging these packages into 7.3’s ISO file. But it seems rebuilding from source is also a good approach! I will try this way later. Little bit off-topic, the main purpose to play OL7.5 is to taste kslice and dtrace though UEK can be installed/built on SL too. If there is feasible hot-kernel-patching, quick iteration will dominate more in enterprise on-premise demand. On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:27 AM +0800, "Manuel Wolfshant" <wo...@nobugconsulting.ro<mailto:wo...@nobugconsulting.ro>> wrote: On April 25, 2018 6:46:44 PM GMT+03:00, Fred Liu wrote: >OK. Then I am thinking about brunch and merge into OS’s iso once there >is >package update in EPEL. EPEL always tracks the latest RHEL minor release. If you decide to ignore all the security risks associated with the lack of updates and prefer to freeze your system at an old(er) minor release of RHEL (or clone) you will need to grab the sources of the updated EPEL packages and rebuild them youself for your environment. The EPEL project lacks the resources needed for such a task. And BTW , you can install the latest EPEL packages on OEL 7.5 because it has the updated packages that came with RHEL 7.5 (and which, incidentally, will land in the CentOS world very very soon as well). If you really must use an old minor release you probably should subscribe to RHEL EUS. This will ensure a better approach to the security aspect but will not solve your issues regarding the compatibility with EPEL. And pretty please, do not imagine that a system not facing the Internet is safe. Stuxnet infected air gapped computers. manuel > >Thanks. > >Fred > >Stephen John Smoogen 于2018年4月25日 周三下午11:40写道： > >> On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu wrote: >> > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very >same >> > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. >> > >> >> No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the >> repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to >> point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of >> people have been interested in doing the work. >> >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov<mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes >in 7.4 >> >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> >> >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent >> compatibility? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov<mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 >> >>> >> >>> Pat >> >>> >> >>> On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >>> > Hi, >> >>> > >> >>> > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. >But >>
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
Could look into Pulp, https://pulpproject.org/, which I've used in the past to freeze a copy of EPEL locally to avoid updates when I needed to keep systems frozen on specific minor releases of CentOS. Pulp allowed me to efficiently create multiple copies of the EPEL repos that I could point my various systems at, some getting latest and some getting frozen. - Trey On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Fred Liu <fred_...@issi.com> wrote: > Totally agree. And quick iteration is the nut of Linux especially for > personal usage. But in enterprise scenario, there’s normalization. That is > why LTS and subscription make sense. I am not gonna troll in 《cathedral and > bazaar》. ^:^ > > Originally I am thinking about downloading rpm packages from EPEL and > merging these packages into 7.3’s ISO file. But it seems rebuilding from > source is also a good approach! I will try this way later. > > Little bit off-topic, the main purpose to play OL7.5 is to taste kslice > and dtrace though UEK can be installed/built on SL too. If there is > feasible hot-kernel-patching, quick iteration will dominate more in > enterprise on-premise demand. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:27 AM +0800, "Manuel Wolfshant" < > wo...@nobugconsulting.ro> wrote: > > On April 25, 2018 6:46:44 PM GMT+03:00, Fred Liu wrote: >> >OK. Then I am thinking about brunch and merge into OS’s iso once there >> >is >> >package update in EPEL. >> >> EPEL always tracks the latest RHEL minor release. If you decide to ignore >> all the security risks associated with the lack of updates and prefer to >> freeze your system at an old(er) minor release of RHEL (or clone) you will >> need to grab the sources of the updated EPEL packages and rebuild them >> youself for your environment. The EPEL project lacks the resources needed >> for such a task. >> >> And BTW , you can install the latest EPEL packages on OEL 7.5 because it has >> the updated packages that came with RHEL 7.5 (and which, incidentally, will >> land in the CentOS world very very soon as well). >> >> If you really must use an old minor release you probably should subscribe to >> RHEL EUS. This will ensure a better approach to the security aspect but will >> not solve your issues regarding the compatibility with EPEL. And pretty >> please, do not imagine that a system not facing the Internet is safe. >> Stuxnet infected air gapped computers. >> >> >> >> manuel >> >> >> >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >Fred >> > >> >Stephen John Smoogen 于2018年4月25日 周三下午11:40写道： >> > >> >> On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very >> >same >> >> > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. >> >> > >> >> >> >> No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the >> >> repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to >> >> point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of >> >> people have been interested in doing the work. >> >> >> >> > Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes >> >in 7.4 >> >> >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent >> >> compatibility? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Pat >> >> >>> >> >> >>
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
Totally agree. And quick iteration is the nut of Linux especially for personal usage. But in enterprise scenario, there's normalization. That is why LTS and subscription make sense. I am not gonna troll in ?cathedral and bazaar?. ^:^ Originally I am thinking about downloading rpm packages from EPEL and merging these packages into 7.3's ISO file. But it seems rebuilding from source is also a good approach! I will try this way later. Little bit off-topic, the main purpose to play OL7.5 is to taste kslice and dtrace though UEK can be installed/built on SL too. If there is feasible hot-kernel-patching, quick iteration will dominate more in enterprise on-premise demand. On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:27 AM +0800, "Manuel Wolfshant" <wo...@nobugconsulting.ro<mailto:wo...@nobugconsulting.ro>> wrote: On April 25, 2018 6:46:44 PM GMT+03:00, Fred Liu wrote: >OK. Then I am thinking about brunch and merge into OS's iso once there >is >package update in EPEL. EPEL always tracks the latest RHEL minor release. If you decide to ignore all the security risks associated with the lack of updates and prefer to freeze your system at an old(er) minor release of RHEL (or clone) you will need to grab the sources of the updated EPEL packages and rebuild them youself for your environment. The EPEL project lacks the resources needed for such a task. And BTW , you can install the latest EPEL packages on OEL 7.5 because it has the updated packages that came with RHEL 7.5 (and which, incidentally, will land in the CentOS world very very soon as well). If you really must use an old minor release you probably should subscribe to RHEL EUS. This will ensure a better approach to the security aspect but will not solve your issues regarding the compatibility with EPEL. And pretty please, do not imagine that a system not facing the Internet is safe. Stuxnet infected air gapped computers. manuel > >Thanks. > >Fred > >Stephen John Smoogen ?2018?4?25? 11:40??? > >> On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu wrote: >> > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very >same >> > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. >> > >> >> No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the >> repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to >> point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of >> people have been interested in doing the work. >> >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes >in 7.4 >> >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> >> >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn't have consistent >> compatibility? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 >> >>> >> >>> Pat >> >>> >> >>> On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >>> > Hi, >> >>> > >> >>> > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. >But >> >>> > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility >> >>> > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on >OL7.5. >> >>> > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both >> >>> > OSes. >> >>> > >> >>> > Any ideas? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Fred >> >>> > ___ >> >>> > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> >>> > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Pat Riehecky >> >>> >> >>> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >> >>> www.fnal.gov >> >>> www.scientif
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
On April 25, 2018 6:46:44 PM GMT+03:00, Fred Liu <fred.f...@gmail.com> wrote: >OK. Then I am thinking about brunch and merge into OS’s iso once there >is >package update in EPEL. EPEL always tracks the latest RHEL minor release. If you decide to ignore all the security risks associated with the lack of updates and prefer to freeze your system at an old(er) minor release of RHEL (or clone) you will need to grab the sources of the updated EPEL packages and rebuild them youself for your environment. The EPEL project lacks the resources needed for such a task. And BTW , you can install the latest EPEL packages on OEL 7.5 because it has the updated packages that came with RHEL 7.5 (and which, incidentally, will land in the CentOS world very very soon as well). If you really must use an old minor release you probably should subscribe to RHEL EUS. This will ensure a better approach to the security aspect but will not solve your issues regarding the compatibility with EPEL. And pretty please, do not imagine that a system not facing the Internet is safe. Stuxnet infected air gapped computers. manuel > >Thanks. > >Fred > >Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com>于2018年4月25日 周三下午11:40写道： > >> On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu <fred_...@issi.com> wrote: >> > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very >same >> > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. >> > >> >> No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the >> repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to >> point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of >> people have been interested in doing the work. >> >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes >in 7.4 >> >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> >> >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent >> compatibility? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < >> riehe...@fnal.gov> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 >> >>> >> >>> Pat >> >>> >> >>> On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >>> > Hi, >> >>> > >> >>> > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. >But >> >>> > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility >> >>> > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on >OL7.5. >> >>> > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both >> >>> > OSes. >> >>> > >> >>> > Any ideas? >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Fred >> >>> > ___ >> >>> > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> >>> > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Pat Riehecky >> >>> >> >>> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >> >>> www.fnal.gov >> >>> www.scientificlinux.org >> >>> ___ >> >>> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >> epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Pat Riehecky >> >> >> >> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >> >> www.fnal.gov >> >> www.scientificlinux.org >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to >epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Stephen J Smoogen. >> ___ >> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
OK. Then I am thinking about brunch and merge into OS’s iso once there is package update in EPEL. Thanks. Fred Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com>于2018年4月25日 周三下午11:40写道： > On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu <fred_...@issi.com> wrote: > > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very same > > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. > > > > No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the > repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to > point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of > people have been interested in doing the work. > > > Thanks. > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < > riehe...@fnal.gov> > > wrote: > > > >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes in 7.4 > >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > >> > >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent > compatibility? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Fred > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" < > riehe...@fnal.gov> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 > >>> > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > >>> > Hi, > >>> > > >>> > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But > >>> > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility > >>> > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. > >>> > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both > >>> > OSes. > >>> > > >>> > Any ideas? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Thanks. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Fred > >>> > ___ > >>> > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to > >>> > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Pat Riehecky > >>> > >>> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > >>> www.fnal.gov > >>> www.scientificlinux.org > >>> ___ > >>> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Pat Riehecky > >> > >> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > >> www.fnal.gov > >> www.scientificlinux.org > > > > > > ___ > > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
On 25 April 2018 at 10:31, Fred Liu <fred_...@issi.com> wrote: > It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very same > repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. > No it isn't. Yum will upgrade you to the latest version in the repository so there would need to be a 7.3 tree and yum would have to point to it. That takes a lot of work on our side and not a lot of people have been interested in doing the work. > Thanks. > > Fred > > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov> > wrote: > >> EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes in 7.4 >> and 7.5 that are really worth it. >> >> Pat >> >> On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >> >> So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent compatibility? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov> >> wrote: >> >>> I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But >>> > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility >>> > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. >>> > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both >>> > OSes. >>> > >>> > Any ideas? >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks. >>> > >>> > >>> > Fred >>> > ___ >>> > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to >>> > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >>> -- >>> Pat Riehecky >>> >>> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >>> www.fnal.gov >>> www.scientificlinux.org >>> ___ >>> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> -- >> Pat Riehecky >> >> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >> www.fnal.gov >> www.scientificlinux.org > > > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
It is understandable. But why not keep the old versions in the very same repo? yum is capable of matching the them with different OSes. Thanks. Fred On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:27 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov<mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> wrote: EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes in 7.4 and 7.5 that are really worth it. Pat On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn't have consistent compatibility? Thanks. Fred On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov<mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> wrote: I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 Pat On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > Hi, > > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both > OSes. > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks. > > > Fred > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- > epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to > epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org> -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov<http://www.fnal.gov> www.scientificlinux.org<http://www.scientificlinux.org> ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org> ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org<mailto:epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org> -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov<http://www.fnal.gov> www.scientificlinux.org<http://www.scientificlinux.org> ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
EPEL tracks the latest RHEL release. There are a number of fixes in 7.4 and 7.5 that are really worth it. Pat On 04/25/2018 09:09 AM, Fred Liu wrote: So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn’t have consistent compatibility? Thanks. Fred On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov <mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> wrote: I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 Pat On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > Hi, > > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both > OSes. > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks. > > > Fred > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov www.scientificlinux.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov www.scientificlinux.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
So abandon SL7.3? Does it mean EPEL doesn't have consistent compatibility? Thanks. Fred On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM +0800, "Pat Riehecky" <riehe...@fnal.gov<mailto:riehe...@fnal.gov>> wrote: I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 Pat On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > Hi, > > I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But > today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility > issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. > Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both > OSes. > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks. > > > Fred > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov www.scientificlinux.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
I would recommend updating to SL 7.4 Pat On 04/25/2018 08:37 AM, Fred Liu wrote: Hi, I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both OSes. Any ideas? Thanks. Fred ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Pat Riehecky Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory www.fnal.gov www.scientificlinux.org ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] incompatibility issue for mate-desktop
Hi, I used to successfully install mate-desktop on SL7.3 by EPEL7. But today, when I tried again, I saw some incompatibility issues(glib2,gtk3+,etc). And I can successfully install it on OL7.5. Is normal? From my understanding, EPEL7 should work in both OSes. Any ideas? Thanks. Fred ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Mate desktop environment 1.8?
Hello and please allow a long term CentOS user to say THANK YOU! for your efforts to make available a wide variety of packages for RHEL/CentOS. I am currently running CentOS 7.3 + "X Window system" + mate-desktop-environment on several machines. Works great! However, the recent updates from CentOS-CR (continuous release repo) which brought me ALMOST to 7.4 have caused some issues in Mate 1.6. A few buttons have gone missing (e.g. on the Shudown dialog) the text is present but the button image around the text is gone. Also some tabs and column headings are similarly missing. The text is present but the tab or column heading image is not there. The best example is in the system monitor application. Finally I have noticed that the scroll bars are missing from the mate-terminal. None of these are real show stoppers but they are somewhat cumbersome. That said, I have been doing some investigating and I found that Mate works great on fedora 26. The main difference I see is that Fedora is running Mate 1.8 vs. 1.6 (from epel) on CentOS. Which leads to my question... Can someone tell me when Mate 1.8 might be scheduled to be included in epel? Thanks, Ken Taylor Clayton, NC ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: MATE Desktop in EPEL repository
On 17 May 2017 at 04:32, Arnold Fabian1 <arnold.fab...@hu.ibm.com> wrote: > Dear Team > > I would have a question regarding EPEL repository for RHEL 7.x > I can see, that the MATE Desktop 1.18 released in 2017-03-13 > but in the EPEL repository, it is not available yet, only the 1.16: > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/m/ > > I would open a ticket in bugzilla or add your information to an existing bug for the package maintainer to see if there is a reason who owns the packages has not updated. It could be it requires a GTK that EL-7 does not ship or that they are looking for feedback in a copr that no one is giving. The package is owned by Wolfgang Ulbrich, email: fed...@raveit.de > Also I would have another question: > F3 was available in the Rhel6-EPEL repository > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/x86_64/ > But the newest version is not available for us in the Rhel7-EPEL repository > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/f/ > Same with this. Eric Smith, email: space...@gmail.com > > > About F3, the newest version is 6.0 > http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ > > > Also is there any way to request any other packages via this email address? > > > *Arnold Fabian* > ABN AMRO, Cembra, Lufthansa - Production Control > Certified IT Specialist > [image: IBM_CIC_SFV] > -- > *Phone:* 36-22-552-776 | *Mobile:* 36-20-499-47-28 > *E-mail:* *arnold.fab...@hu.ibm.com* <arnold.fab...@hu.ibm.com> > [image: IBM] > > Berenyi U. 72-100 > Szekesfehervar, 8000 > Hungary > > IBM Data Storage Systems Információtechnológiai Korlátolt Felelősségű > Társaság > 2600 Vác, Deákvári fasor 16-18. > Cg.13-09-107530 > Budapest Környéki Törvényszék Cégbírósága > > > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: MATE Desktop in EPEL repository
You can open bugs against the specific packages in bugzilla.redhat.com requesting they be updated, but note that having the newest/latest packages in EPEL is secondary to maintaining stability. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_incompatible_upgrades_policy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_Updates_Policy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy For requesting new EPEL packages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_a_Fedora_package_in_EPEL On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:32:22AM +0200, Arnold Fabian1 wrote: > > > Dear Team > > I would have a question regarding EPEL repository for RHEL 7.x > I can see, that the MATE Desktop 1.18 released in 2017-03-13 > but in the EPEL repository, it is not available yet, only the 1.16: > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/m/ > > > Also I would have another question: > F3 was available in the Rhel6-EPEL repository > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/x86_64/ > But the newest version is not available for us in the Rhel7-EPEL repository > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/f/ > > About F3, the newest version is 6.0 > http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ > > > Also is there any way to request any other packages via this email address? ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] MATE Desktop in EPEL repository
Dear Team I would have a question regarding EPEL repository for RHEL 7.x I can see, that the MATE Desktop 1.18 released in 2017-03-13 but in the EPEL repository, it is not available yet, only the 1.16: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/m/ Also I would have another question: F3 was available in the Rhel6-EPEL repository https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/x86_64/ But the newest version is not available for us in the Rhel7-EPEL repository https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/7/x86_64/f/ About F3, the newest version is 6.0 http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ Also is there any way to request any other packages via this email address? Arnold Fabian ABN AMRO, Cembra, Lufthansa - Production Control Certified IT Specialist IBM_CIC_SFV Phone: 36-22-552-776 | Mobile: 36-20-499-47-28 IBM E-mail: arnold.fab...@hu.ibm.com Berenyi U. 72-100 Szekesfehervar, 8000 Hungary IBM Data Storage Systems Információtechnológiai Korlátolt Felelősségű Társaság 2600 Vác, Deákvári fasor 16-18. Cg.13-09-107530 Budapest Környéki Törvényszék Cégbírósága ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
F21 Self Contained Change: MATE Desktop 1.8
= Proposed Self Contained Change: MATE Desktop 1.8 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MATE_1.8 Change owner(s): Dan Mashal dan.mas...@fedoraproject.org, Wolfgang Ulbrich chat-to...@raveit.de Update MATE Desktop to version 1.8 == Detailed Description == Release 1.8 * New features - new mate-user-quide - add window snapping/tiling support to Marco window-manager - improved support for systemd-logind - command line panel-applet for displaying the result of a command in the panel - mpaste tool for using Mate's paste website - caja-beesu extension for opening a file as superuser - support for upower-1.0 (60% is done in rawhide) - allow rotation of mate-panel background - add support for Metacity as window manager - add shuffle mode in slideshow of eom image-viewer - eom image-viewer is migrated to lcms2 - show date and time in mate-screensaver lock dialog - show graphical time in logout/shutdown dialog - switch complete to pulseaudio, good bye gstreamer mixer - middle click on volume-applet toggles mute state - add undo functionality to Sticky-note applet - gnome-main-menu panel-applet (review request comming soon) * Renaming some packages - mate-file-manager to caja - mate-window-manager to marco - mate-text-editor to pluma - mate-document-viewer to atril - mate-menu-editor to mozo - mate-file-archiver to engrampa - mate-image-viever to eom * Replacements - mate-doc-utils with yelp-tools, help in all packages works now - single caja extensions packages are now summarized in the new caja- extensions package - libmatewnck with libwnck * Drops - mate-character-maps == Scope == * Proposal owners: 1) Upgrade all packages to 1.8 version. 2) Update comps with new package set. 3) Submit review requests for the following renamed packages: mate-file-manager - caja mate-window-manager - marco mate-image-viewer - eom mate-file-archiver - engrampa mate-text-editor - pluma mate-document-viewer - atril mate-menu-editor - mozo 4) Retire the following dropped packages: libmatewnck mate-doc-utils mate-keyring * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
mate-desktop 1.8
What is the prospect of getting mate 1.8 for fedora 20? Thanks. -- Brian Millett I can't see him through this encounter suit. 'Trust me, its better this way.' -- [ Alexander and Kyle (re: Kosh), The Gathering] -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: mate-desktop 1.8
On Mar 14, 2014 7:52 AM, Brian Millett bmill...@gmail.com wrote: What is the prospect of getting mate 1.8 for fedora 20? Prospect is good. We're QAing on Rawhide at the moment. Dan Sent from my Google Nexus 5 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: mate-desktop 1.8
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:09:42 -0700 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2014 7:52 AM, Brian Millett bmill...@gmail.com wrote: What is the prospect of getting mate 1.8 for fedora 20? Prospect is good. We're QAing on Rawhide at the moment. Dan Sent from my Google Nexus 5 I'm quivering with anticipation! -- Brian Millett And just let me say, Ambassador, from the bottom of my heart: Hot pink is *definitely* your color. -- [ Garibaldi (to G'Kar), The Parliament of Dreams] -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Unowned dirs used by Mate Desktop packages
Hi, I am working on a review (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924310), and I found the use some unowned dirs. This would be OK, but it's not an isolated problem. It turns out a few packages already in Fedora use unowned dirs. $ yum provides /usr/share/mate/* mate-menus-1.5.0-1.fc18.i686 : Displays menus for MATE Desktop ... mate-window-manager-1.5.2-7.fc18.i686 : MATE Desktop window manager ... (Duplicates removed from output) But when we check who owns that dir, we get zip: $ yum provides /usr/share/mate/ No Matches found Another one: $ yum provides /usr/lib/caja/* mate-file-manager-1.5.1-1.fc18.i686 : File manager for MATE ... But no one to own that dir: $ yum provides /usr/lib/caja/ No Matches found Either I am very brainfarted, or we really do have unowned dirs. Packagers, any take? Alex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
One additional question on the feature... from the feature page: Fedora 16/17/18 are already running MATE Desktop 1.5.5 which is the development release of 1.6 Is there a reason for a development release being pushed to stable releases? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases I don't know much about the MATE release cycle, how much change is there in a development release? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:52:28 -0800 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... I note this feature doesn't seem to incorporate adding a MATE spin - is a separate feature page proposed for that, or is it considered parallel to the feature process? Thanks. Parallel. Will be submitted to the spins sig. Waiting to see what happens with ansible and formulas. Currently there is no defined deadline for spins. There will not be anything with formulas ready in the f19 cycle I don't think, or if there is, it will be a tech preview type of thing. Also, formulas don't handle all the use cases for desktop spins at least. Please submit your ks asap if you intend to add a mate spin in f19. See the spins-sig list. Christoph is going to try and get the current process more usable with trac ticketing, etc. Spins very much definitely need to be submitted early. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Timeline kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Thank you Kevin. MATE 1.6 + Compiz spin submitted last night. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MATE_%2B_Compiz_Spin Live image available for testing here: http://bitchx.ca/Image-FedoraMateCompiz.iso Have at it. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:21:15 -0800 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Kevin. MATE 1.6 + Compiz spin submitted last night. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MATE_%2B_Compiz_Spin Live image available for testing here: http://bitchx.ca/Image-FedoraMateCompiz.iso Have at it. Can you please mail this to the spins-sig list and make sure they know it's submitted, etc? thanks, kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:21:15 -0800 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Kevin. MATE 1.6 + Compiz spin submitted last night. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MATE_%2B_Compiz_Spin Live image available for testing here: http://bitchx.ca/Image-FedoraMateCompiz.iso Have at it. Can you please mail this to the spins-sig list and make sure they know it's submitted, etc? thanks, kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Done. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:52:28 -0800 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... I note this feature doesn't seem to incorporate adding a MATE spin - is a separate feature page proposed for that, or is it considered parallel to the feature process? Thanks. Parallel. Will be submitted to the spins sig. Waiting to see what happens with ansible and formulas. Currently there is no defined deadline for spins. There will not be anything with formulas ready in the f19 cycle I don't think, or if there is, it will be a tech preview type of thing. Also, formulas don't handle all the use cases for desktop spins at least. Please submit your ks asap if you intend to add a mate spin in f19. See the spins-sig list. Christoph is going to try and get the current process more usable with trac ticketing, etc. Spins very much definitely need to be submitted early. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Timeline kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 18:26 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 Feature owner(s): Dan Mashal dan.mashal AT fedoraproject DOT org MATE Desktop is based on GNOME 2 and provides an intuitive and attractive desktop to Linux users who seek a simple, easy to use traditional interface. == Detailed description == MATE is a traditional Gnome 2 like desktop user interface. Many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. For the advanced user that doesn't want a cutting edge desktop and just wants to keep it simple this is perfect for them. The popularity of MATE Desktop is very high. It is one of the 2 choices of DE's for Linux Mint which is one of the most popular Linux distros out right now. I note this feature doesn't seem to incorporate adding a MATE spin - is a separate feature page proposed for that, or is it considered parallel to the feature process? Thanks. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 18:26 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 Feature owner(s): Dan Mashal dan.mashal AT fedoraproject DOT org MATE Desktop is based on GNOME 2 and provides an intuitive and attractive desktop to Linux users who seek a simple, easy to use traditional interface. == Detailed description == MATE is a traditional Gnome 2 like desktop user interface. Many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. For the advanced user that doesn't want a cutting edge desktop and just wants to keep it simple this is perfect for them. The popularity of MATE Desktop is very high. It is one of the 2 choices of DE's for Linux Mint which is one of the most popular Linux distros out right now. I note this feature doesn't seem to incorporate adding a MATE spin - is a separate feature page proposed for that, or is it considered parallel to the feature process? Thanks. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Parallel. Will be submitted to the spins sig. Waiting to see what happens with ansible and formulas. Currently there is no defined deadline for spins. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
= Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 Feature owner(s): Dan Mashal dan.mashal AT fedoraproject DOT org MATE Desktop is based on GNOME 2 and provides an intuitive and attractive desktop to Linux users who seek a simple, easy to use traditional interface. == Detailed description == MATE is a traditional Gnome 2 like desktop user interface. Many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. For the advanced user that doesn't want a cutting edge desktop and just wants to keep it simple this is perfect for them. The popularity of MATE Desktop is very high. It is one of the 2 choices of DE's for Linux Mint which is one of the most popular Linux distros out right now. ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6
= Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop-1.6 Feature owner(s): Dan Mashal dan.mashal AT fedoraproject DOT org MATE Desktop is based on GNOME 2 and provides an intuitive and attractive desktop to Linux users who seek a simple, easy to use traditional interface. == Detailed description == MATE is a traditional Gnome 2 like desktop user interface. Many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. For the advanced user that doesn't want a cutting edge desktop and just wants to keep it simple this is perfect for them. The popularity of MATE Desktop is very high. It is one of the 2 choices of DE's for Linux Mint which is one of the most popular Linux distros out right now. ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce
Re: Mate-Desktop
On 2012-08-27 22:08, Michael Scherer wrote: Le lundi 27 août 2012 à 17:48 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On 2012-08-24 13:49, Rave it wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 That thread contains no instance of Dan calling you a Portuguese n00b. It contains only an instance of you accusing Dan of having called you a Portuguese n00b, 'if [you] recall correctly'. (I draw no conclusions from this, I only state a fact.) Just stating facts as well, that's slightly wrong. Wolfgang aka raveit use the login niceandgently on github. Ah, thanks. It seemed from the context that rave it was claiming to be the person in the thread, so I foolishly didn't check that was actually the case. Still, if he wasn't involved in that thread at all, I'm not sure why he'd quote it in support of an assertion that someone insulted him... The one who accuse Dan mashal of calling him portuguese noob is ketheriel, aka Nelson Marques, on 23-07-2012. He also reuse the expression on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840149#c5 on 14-07-2012 And he asked to have his account 1 month ago : https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3399 , on 25-07-2012. The same day, he also posted that about the issue : https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/issues/18#issuecomment-7251595 So he didn't seemed to have got over it (yet) at this moment. I hadn't looked at any other posts, just the one that was directly cited in the thread. Good job on the additional data. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
On 28/08/12 07:08, Michael Scherer wrote: Just stating facts as well, that's slightly wrong. Wolfgang aka raveit use the login niceandgently on github. The one who accuse Dan mashal of calling him portuguese noob is ketheriel, aka Nelson Marques, on 23-07-2012. He also reuse the expression on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840149#c5 on 14-07-2012 And he asked to have his account 1 month ago : https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3399 , on 25-07-2012. The same day, he also posted that about the issue : https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/issues/18#issuecomment-7251595 So he didn't seemed to have got over it (yet) at this moment. That's a good conclusion on this topic. For enhancement: Nelson Marques has been fedora contributor for about 2 weeks (and I have been his sponsor). He felt assaulted and left frustrated, orphaning all his packages, stopping further contributions. Sadly, I have been on vacation then, so I had no chance to assist him in any way. I see an analogy between this case and Wolfgang aka raveit. Both of them didn't want to take this into light to sort these issues out. Since, Dan is the feature owner of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop I think, he should take care not to scare every reviewer and contributor away; many people left the reviews unfinished an unassigned them from the tickets. -- Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de mru...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: Mate-Desktop
Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I don't accept it. Dan reacting poorly is a given, and something he (and I with him) are working on. I personally don't feel it helps taking your greivances public, as now Dan's perception of you (and now potentially others) will be colored as hostile. Hi, I'm one of MATE Desktop upstream developers. I'm sorry for my intrusion here, but I feel the need to write my opinion in this thread. We already worked with a lot of distros maintainers and always worked happily with them. We got problems with Dan only. He already insulted a lot of developers, maintainers and reviewers. He dont know how to work with other people, and specifically with free and open source projects upstream authors. If he has issues, he demands a solution from upstream devs without trying to help in any way, and if he dont receive answers, he start to insult. I'm really worried if he can maintain MATE desktop packages with his way to cooperate with other people and upstream maintainers. Cheers, Stefano Karapetsas -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: Mate-Desktop: please moderate
Stefano Karapetsas wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I don't accept it. Dan reacting poorly is a given, and something he (and I with him) are working on. I personally don't feel it helps taking your greivances public, as now Dan's perception of you (and now potentially others) will be colored as hostile. Hi, I'm one of MATE Desktop upstream developers. I'm sorry for my intrusion here, but I feel the need to write my opinion in this thread. We already worked with a lot of distros maintainers and always worked happily with them. We got problems with Dan only. He already insulted a lot of developers, maintainers and reviewers. He dont know how to work with other people, and specifically with free and open source projects upstream authors. If he has issues, he demands a solution from upstream devs without trying to help in any way, and if he dont receive answers, he start to insult. I'm really worried if he can maintain MATE desktop packages with his way to cooperate with other people and upstream maintainers. Ok, thanks for your input, really. However, I'm of the opinion firmly now that this has gone on long enough to be harmful and non-constructive for everyone involved. Can this thread be moderated please? I humbly ask anyone who wishes to take this further to contact the community working group https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_working_group#Contact (or me, and I'd be happy to do it for you). being mindful of: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
On 2012-08-24 13:49, Rave it wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 That thread contains no instance of Dan calling you a Portuguese n00b. It contains only an instance of you accusing Dan of having called you a Portuguese n00b, 'if [you] recall correctly'. (I draw no conclusions from this, I only state a fact.) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Mate-Desktop
I think it's time to stop making argument or statement.This email really makes me feel confused. I understand Rave's state of mind.Well,I think you have 2 choices, leave or just go ahead. But you don't want to leave,so please do some other works,not only the mate desktop. I hope you can feel better now. -- *Yours sincerely,* *Christopher Meng* Ambassador/Contributor of Fedora Project and many others. http://cicku.me -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Le lundi 27 août 2012 à 17:48 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On 2012-08-24 13:49, Rave it wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 That thread contains no instance of Dan calling you a Portuguese n00b. It contains only an instance of you accusing Dan of having called you a Portuguese n00b, 'if [you] recall correctly'. (I draw no conclusions from this, I only state a fact.) Just stating facts as well, that's slightly wrong. Wolfgang aka raveit use the login niceandgently on github. The one who accuse Dan mashal of calling him portuguese noob is ketheriel, aka Nelson Marques, on 23-07-2012. He also reuse the expression on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840149#c5 on 14-07-2012 And he asked to have his account 1 month ago : https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3399 , on 25-07-2012. The same day, he also posted that about the issue : https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/issues/18#issuecomment-7251595 So he didn't seemed to have got over it (yet) at this moment. -- Michael Scherer -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Subject: Re: Mate-Desktop
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Rave it chat-to...@raveit.de wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I have seen a lot in unfriendly talk on my time as a fedora packager, but this really takes the Oscar. It is a disgrace for the Fedora project when a Fedora packager behaves in this way against an upstream project. ketheriel : We would rather like patches ;) dmashal : So write one. That's your job. Not mine. Sorry.Dan ketheriel Nice attitude dude. If I recall correctly you called me a 'Portuguese n00b' and mocked on my face the other day... So I guess I'm have all the motivations to fix those issues :) Tim -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Rex Dieter wrote: I don't accept it. Dan reacting poorly is a given, and something he (and I with him) are working on. I personally don't feel it helps taking your greivances public, as now Dan's perception of you (and now potentially others) will be colored as hostile. Sorry, for me is conceal facts not a good choice. If someone other act like Dan Mashal, i would also be happy to get information here in devel list. so, I have a question for you: do you have any wish or intention of remaining in the fedora community? if so, this would be the point to engage the community working group for guidance, advice, and mediation. (my fault for being too dense for not suggesting it earlier, sorry). -- rex No need for mediation because i will stay in in fedora community, but working at Mate-Desktop is impossible for me until Dan Mashal to refrain from taking on this project to work. I know also from other packagers who wanted to work in the Mate-Desktop project, but they think like me. Wolfgang Ulbrich -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
On 08/23/2012 04:53 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Rave it wrote: For your information. I stoped working for the Mate-Desktop project for f18 because I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex I agree, please do not stop contributing because of one foul-mouthed asshole. The good ones outnumber him grossly! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Subject: Re: Mate-Desktop
Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Rave it wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. No mercy, no thanks. Why do you Mr. Rex Dieter as sponsor accept rude speaking, and racist remarks from Dan Marchal? 'Portuguese n00b' https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3 I don't accept it. Dan reacting poorly is a given, and something he (and I with him) are working on. I personally don't feel it helps taking your greivances public, as now Dan's perception of you (and now potentially others) will be colored as hostile. so, I have a question for you: do you have any wish or intention of remaining in the fedora community? if so, this would be the point to engage the community working group for guidance, advice, and mediation. (my fault for being too dense for not suggesting it earlier, sorry). -- rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Rave it wrote: For your information. I stoped working for the Mate-Desktop project for f18 because I can understand your frustration, and that you and Dan had trouble communicating and working together. I do wish to thank you for the positive contributions you made, and in your future endeavors. -- rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu wrote: Ri == Rave it chat-to...@raveit.de writes: Ri For your information. I stoped working for the Mate-Desktop project Ri for f18 because for me it is imposssible to to work together with Ri Dan Mashal. One of the reason for my decision is this last talk with Ri Dan Mashal today. I've watched a bunch of this go on and I agree that this person has overstepped the bounds of reasonable behavior on more than one occasion. I completely agree. I just wanted to ask that you not let the actions of one person color the entire community. When the community cannot limit the actions/flames/insults of one person, this WILL fall back to the entire community. (At least for people, who will be using mate on Fedora). I'm sure that a reasonable solution can be worked out in time. As people prefer to leave the project instead of opening a ticket on fesco, insults by Dan nothing will change. By the way, Wolfgang is not the first one, who steps back because of insults of Dan, just the first one who posts here about it as he wants to continue on packages where Dan has no interests in. For proof, see the communication above and [1]. When someone insults people, so that they step back or completely leave the project, they should be kicked out. But as I'm not a mate user/maintainer or Dan's sponsor, I'm not directly affected by that, so we'll need to wait till someone is concerned enough about it... Greetings, Tom [1] https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-doc-utils/issues/3#issuecomment-7179964 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
On 08/21/2012 11:50 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: As a reminder, everyone working within the Fedora project is expected to abide by the code of conduct (http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct). If there's an interpersonal conflict that can't be resolved by the individuals or the specific subset of the project involved, please feel free to raise it with the Community Working Group at c...@lists.fedoraproject.org, or cwg-priv...@lists.fedoraproject.org if you'd prefer the discussion to be private. I understand Dan's fairly new to Fedora - perhaps his sponsor should have a word with him. Brendan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
Brendan Jones wrote: I understand Dan's fairly new to Fedora - perhaps his sponsor should have a word with him. Would it be enough to CC Rex? Or should we open a ticket on a trac of one of the Fedora committees? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Mate-Desktop
For your information. I stoped working for the Mate-Desktop project for f18 because for me it is imposssible to to work together with Dan Mashal. One of the reason for my decision is this last talk with Dan Mashal today. Unterhaltung mit Dan Mashal am Di 21 Aug 2012 10:03:44 CEST: (10:03:44) Dan Mashal: hey (10:03:46) Dan Mashal: you there? (10:03:55) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: Hi (10:04:02) Dan Mashal: i spent time on libmate today (10:04:07) Dan Mashal: please review my spec (10:04:07) dan.mas...@gmail.com heißt jetzt Dan Mashal. (10:04:12) Dan Mashal: and incorporate it to yours (10:04:28) Dan Mashal: i dont know why you deleted mate-vfs from fc17 and fc16 it just made things harder for me (10:04:33) Dan Mashal: but i worked around it (10:04:48) Dan Mashal: http://vicodan.fedorapeople.org/matespec/libmate.spec (10:04:58) Dan Mashal: THIS IS NOT FINAL JUST ME GETTING SHIT TO BUILD NO PATCHES (10:05:33) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: my spec file is ok (10:05:47) Dan Mashal: it fails to build with fedora-review (10:05:54) Dan Mashal: that's why i pushed mate-vfs (10:05:58) Dan Mashal: which you deleted (10:06:00) Dan Mashal: agian, why I don't know (10:06:07) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: show me the output (10:06:22) Dan Mashal: the out put just says mate-vfs cannot be found (10:06:27) Dan Mashal: and it fails (10:07:08) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: any other can review without fc17 (10:07:12) Dan Mashal: so i had to manually build mate-vfs (10:07:12) Dan Mashal: install the rpm (10:07:15) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: why not you? (10:07:37) Dan Mashal: anyone can build it on koji (10:07:48) Dan Mashal: can they build it on a local system? fresh install? (10:08:04) Dan Mashal: the build requires for libmate are as follows: (10:08:04) Dan Mashal: mate-common mate-conf-devel mate-vfs libmatecomponent-devel libcanberra-devel (10:08:39) Dan Mashal: oh and GConf2 (10:08:45) Dan Mashal: unless you use mate-conf (10:09:29) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: again pls use my latest spec file and not th efirst one (10:09:35) Dan Mashal: i did (10:09:39) Dan Mashal: and i get error cannot find mate-vfs (10:09:45) Dan Mashal: so i pushed mate-vfs (10:09:45) Dan Mashal: and you deleted it (10:09:49) Dan Mashal: so why did you delete it? (10:09:53) Dan Mashal: because of your fucking repo/ (10:10:52) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: because we build anymore for f16/f17, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849449 (10:11:00) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: Talk with Rex (10:11:07) Dan Mashal: that's not my problem (10:11:10) Dan Mashal: that's your problem (10:11:12) Dan Mashal: you built mate-conf (10:11:14) Dan Mashal: not me. (10:11:28) Dan Mashal: you fix it. (10:11:29) Dan Mashal: i dont touch your packages. (10:11:57) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: pls do not review libmate and libmateui from me (10:12:07) Dan Mashal: sorry wolfang (10:12:12) Dan Mashal: I'm pretty fucking had it with you (10:12:17) Dan Mashal: and your fucking repo. (10:12:20) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: i know other pepple who can do that (10:12:24) Dan Mashal: Tomorrow Rex is going to create a Fedorapeople repo. (10:12:58) Dan Mashal: stay behaved. (10:13:10) Dan Mashal: a lot of people are noticing you in a negative light, without me saying anything. (10:13:27) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: no (10:13:30) Dan Mashal: yes. (10:14:00) Dan Mashal: why would I lie? (10:14:02) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: Rex prefer to stop building for f16/f17 (10:14:12) Dan Mashal: Rex prefers that you fucking get along (10:14:14) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: you did ignore that (10:14:19) Dan Mashal: and quit acting like a child. (10:14:27) Dan Mashal: and stop wrorrying about your god damn dropbox repo (10:14:28) Dan Mashal: alright? (10:14:37) Dan Mashal: i've had enough (10:14:45) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: me too (10:14:46) Dan Mashal: i spent 3 hours extra because you deleted mate-vfs. (10:14:53) Dan Mashal: DONT DO IT AGAIN. (10:15:15) niceandgen...@gmail.com/546AFDAD: soory you don'T have the knowledge for a reviewer (10:15:25) Dan Mashal: sorry you don't have the knowledge of Fedora. --- (10:15:37) Dan Mashal: sorry you are unappreciative and selfish. (10:15:44) Dan Mashal: sorry your #1 repo is your god damn repo. (10:15:48) Dan Mashal: sorry I included you (10:15:57) Dan Mashal: sorry I taught you IRC, Koji and Bodhi (10:16:11) Dan Mashal: sorry I didn't get you removed from packaging privalidges when I had the change (10:16:14) Dan Mashal: I'd be done by now (10:16:20) Dan Mashal: sorry for giving you 2nd,3rd and 4th chances (10:16:21) Dan Mashal: whatever (10:16:23) Dan Mashal: FUCK OFF. (10:16:37) Dan Mashal: you never put yourself in anyone elses shoes but YOUR
Re: Mate-Desktop
Ri == Rave it chat-to...@raveit.de writes: Ri For your information. I stoped working for the Mate-Desktop project Ri for f18 because for me it is imposssible to to work together with Ri Dan Mashal. One of the reason for my decision is this last talk with Ri Dan Mashal today. I've watched a bunch of this go on and I agree that this person has overstepped the bounds of reasonable behavior on more than one occasion. I just wanted to ask that you not let the actions of one person color the entire community. I'm sure that a reasonable solution can be worked out in time. - J -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Mate-Desktop
As a reminder, everyone working within the Fedora project is expected to abide by the code of conduct (http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct). If there's an interpersonal conflict that can't be resolved by the individuals or the specific subset of the project involved, please feel free to raise it with the Community Working Group at c...@lists.fedoraproject.org, or cwg-priv...@lists.fedoraproject.org if you'd prefer the discussion to be private. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: [Reviving an old thread ...] Indeed this seems to be not just vapourware: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=119 I don't buy the arguments that MATE is vapourware, but building a new Gnome-2-like desktop on the Gnome 3 underpinnings obviously is easier and in the long term better than a complete fork of Gnome 2. I've been running Cinnamon 1.2 on F16 x86_64 for a few days. It seems to work pretty well. It isn't able (yet?) to fix all of the things I dislike about Gnome 3, but it does fix a lot of them, and it is in most regards more similar to the Gnome 2 desktop than are Xfce or LXDE. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:24:08PM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 12/09/2011 12:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2011 03:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765666 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765667 Is it not better to just create extension and an theme on spin with gnome3 that bring back the functionality you seek? That's pretty much was Mint seems to be doing and I agree that this is probably a much more viable approach: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/11/30/linux-mint-12/ [Reviving an old thread ...] Indeed this seems to be not just vapourware: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=119 Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into Xen guests. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-p2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
2011-12-10 16:36 keltezéssel, Rahul Sundaram írta: On 12/10/2011 03:30 PM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: u Not so fast, there was a point in time when the whole Linux development community was Linus Torvalds. Live and let live. You would have a better point there if MATE was a new desktop environment trying to grow a community. GNOME 2.x is a complex codebase with a lot of legacy. Maintaining it as a single person is impossible. What has been accomplished is that someone renamed the 2.x gnome* to mate* but the effort to move it forward is a lot more involved than that. There is atleast security fixes to take care of and compatibility issues to consider. A badly maintained desktop environment would result in false hope and reflect poorly on the distribution as well. A Fedora maintainer could still push these components through and take care of them but they will be partially performing the role of upstream. If someone is motivated enough to do it, then by all means, live and let live. Rahul I think his (the developer/maintainer of MATE) whole point is about scratching a personal itch. Just like in all interesting OSS projects. E.g. I recently contributed two Mingw32-w64 packages out of personal interest. It's not for bragging, it's not the same level as decyphering and understanding the whole GNOME 2 codebase. If he can gather a few more developers and a lot of users (who even on this list threatened upstream GNOME developers with pitchforks), the MATE project might even succeed. We just need to be patient towards the project and watch the outcome. There are quite a few other projects that become successful and I am not sure their task has smaller complexity with reverse engineering, like ScummVM. At least MATE has the advantage of using an open source codebase. BTW, as for my relation to GNOME 3, at first I was scared by the reviews that compared it to GNOME 2. But I needed the goodies (newer compiler and other stuff for development) of Fedora 15 so I jumped into the deep water. I was surprised how easily I adapted to it. Old dog can learn new tricks, too. I am 39. :-) Best regards, Zoltán Böszörményi -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
2011-12-09 11:34 keltezéssel, Kevin Kofler írta: and there is a development community. LOL, a community called Timothy Pearson… Don't make me laugh. Kevin Kofler Not so fast, there was a point in time when the whole Linux development community was Linus Torvalds. Live and let live. Best regards, Zoltán Böszörményi -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Hi. On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:00:55 +0100, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote Not so fast, there was a point in time when the whole Linux development community was Linus Torvalds. Live and let live. Yes, there was. But it was a) rather short, and b) did not have a codebase even remotely comparable to the size of the gnome2 stack. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/10/2011 03:30 PM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: u Not so fast, there was a point in time when the whole Linux development community was Linus Torvalds. Live and let live. You would have a better point there if MATE was a new desktop environment trying to grow a community. GNOME 2.x is a complex codebase with a lot of legacy. Maintaining it as a single person is impossible. What has been accomplished is that someone renamed the 2.x gnome* to mate* but the effort to move it forward is a lot more involved than that. There is atleast security fixes to take care of and compatibility issues to consider. A badly maintained desktop environment would result in false hope and reflect poorly on the distribution as well. A Fedora maintainer could still push these components through and take care of them but they will be partially performing the role of upstream. If someone is motivated enough to do it, then by all means, live and let live. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Am Donnerstag, den 08.12.2011, 19:50 -0800 schrieb Eric Smith: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. MATE is just replacing gnome with mate everywhere, whether or not it was necessary. We'd need to re-evaluate this on a distro level and build against the gnome-* packages where possible, otherwise we duplicating system libraries. This is a no-go and forbidden by http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Duplication_of_system_libraries This really worries me because I don't think that MATE well maintained and will be able to deal with security issues or bugfixes in a timely manner. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? Although I am no friend of GNOME 3, I don't think MATE should become an official feature: Advertising it as a feature looks backwards and we currently don't know where MATE is going. I'm not even sure it will still be alive by F18. Regards, Christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Hi, What do you think about Trinity Desktop? I liked KDE3. Is there a chance to include this DE in Fedora? Unlike the MATE, TD is well maintained and there is a development community. -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 09/12/11 07:03, Eric Smith wrote: I tried switching to Xfce, and found it to be a lot better than Gnome 3, but it was still missing a lot of things I'm accustomed to in Gnome 2. I'm not trying to start another advocacy thread. I'm just trying to package up an alternative for people like me who liked Gnome 2 better. Eric Why not put the energy into, getting what you need into Xfce\LXDE\?. Rather than clutch at a shooting star. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Michał Piotrowski wrote: What do you think about Trinity Desktop? I liked KDE3. Is there a chance to include this DE in Fedora? Please NO! We worked hard on making kdelibs3 apps work well in KDE Plasma 4 sessions. Trying to support Trinity sessions too is going to make a big mess. Another big problem is that current Trinity isn't even binary-compatible with KDE 3.5 anymore, which makes its kdelibs not suitable to run existing KDE 3 binaries, even though (last I checked) they didn't bump the sonames. (I think renaming all libraries like MATE is doing is actually not that bad an idea if you have no clue about binary compatibility and are going to horribly break it.) Unlike the MATE, TD is well maintained Hahaha, LOL, good one! http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/05/trinity-and-the-challenges-of-continuing-kde-3/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/11/the-grass-has-always-been-greener-on-the-other-side-of-the-fence/ (The comments in the latter also discuss the binary compatibility issues.) and there is a development community. LOL, a community called Timothy Pearson… Don't make me laugh. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 04:12 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/09/2011 09:20 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? Sure but is MATE actively developed and does it have more than one developer? I am worried about sustainability. How can you be worried about maintainability given that we already have unmaintained and poorly maintained packages in the distribution? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 03:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765666 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765667 Is it not better to just create extension and an theme on spin with gnome3 that bring back the functionality you seek? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 05:17 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2011 04:12 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/09/2011 09:20 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? Sure but is MATE actively developed and does it have more than one developer? I am worried about sustainability. How can you be worried about maintainability given that we already have unmaintained and poorly maintained packages in the distribution? When you have problems, the solution is to fix it. Not add more. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 11:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: one developer? I am worried about sustainability. How can you be worried about maintainability given that we already have unmaintained and poorly maintained packages in the distribution? When you have problems, the solution is to fix it. Not add more. Agreed but given that we already ship unmaintained either upstream or within the distribution components then I fail to understand why adding couple of more to the already existing pile is going to make any difference it's not like the current situation would be going from bad to worse since we already are at worse from my pov... My personally view on his proposal is that he should rather be spending his time and energy creating the required extension that bring the functionality he seeks from Gnome2 to Gnome3 and an theme to go along with it if he also wants the old look and feel then create a spin with that rather then being doing it this way. If he's willing to do the necessary legwork to make this work I dont see why he cant. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 12:50 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2011 03:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765666 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765667 Is it not better to just create extension and an theme on spin with gnome3 that bring back the functionality you seek? That's pretty much was Mint seems to be doing and I agree that this is probably a much more viable approach: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/11/30/linux-mint-12/ Regards, Dennis -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 05:42 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/09/2011 11:58 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: one developer? I am worried about sustainability. How can you be worried about maintainability given that we already have unmaintained and poorly maintained packages in the distribution? When you have problems, the solution is to fix it. Not add more. Agreed but given that we already ship unmaintained either upstream or within the distribution components then I fail to understand why adding couple of more to the already existing pile is going to make any difference it's not like the current situation would be going from bad to worse since we already are at worse from my pov... It is not useful to generalize. There are lots of software components which aren't actively maintained but are useful to have in the distribution and all distributions have them however a desktop environment is a lot of work to maintain (as seen for instance in http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1901) and if upstream is not active, then any potential needs to be aware of this before volunteering this feature. If someone really wants to still do it, there is nothing in Fedora stopping it from happening. I was merely raising a potential issue to think about in advance. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Rahul Sundaram wrote: It is not useful to generalize. There are lots of software components which aren't actively maintained but are useful to have in the distribution and all distributions have them however a desktop environment is a lot of work to maintain (as seen for instance in http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1901) and if upstream is not active, then any potential needs to be aware of this before volunteering this feature. If someone really wants to still do it, there is nothing in Fedora stopping it from happening. I was merely raising a potential issue to think about in advance. Software with dead or almost dead upstream is a two-edged sword: * If the software is working well, that's the software which is easiest to maintain, since there are generally few to no new upstream releases to take care of. :-) (But if it's something like Trinity, which manages to churn out release after release with a single maintainer, including binary-incompatible library changes, that's also not the case. But I'd place that in the below paragraph anyway. ;-) There are literally THOUSANDS of KDE 3 bugs closed as fixed in KDE SC 4.) * If the software has many bugs, it's the software which is hardest to maintain, because then YOU as the Fedora maintainer are on the hook for fixing those bugs. Unfortunately, a desktop environment tends to be in the latter situation. So I'm sceptical about MATE (seeing what's going on with Trinity) and I can only strongly discourage attempting to package Trinity. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 10.12.2011 01:20, schrieb Kevin Kofler: So I'm sceptical about MATE (seeing what's going on with Trinity) and I can only strongly discourage attempting to package Trinity. I agree to that point of view. IMHO MATE is a waste of time and manpower like Trinity as well. There no real need for those desktops because Gnome 3 refugees could also use Lxde or Xfce which already feel like Gnome 2 wich some customization work. BTW: As far as I know there still some Unix distributions which ship KDE 3.5 but they ship AFAIK the original KDE bits and not trinity. Regards, Heiko -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAk7iqfUACgkQ/zGbOvPHkcIk9gEAwDSz6pwph0FrXprfTCBQeV2T VaLRkmvhxw9AJoNKSagA/j8CyYxAX9kepGbJLgOztQTeQTpFO5H62nlihzca3t1Z =ZE0v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765666 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765667 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On 12/09/2011 09:20 AM, Eric Smith wrote: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? Sure but is MATE actively developed and does it have more than one developer? I am worried about sustainability. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Hello 2011/12/9 Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Mate is unmaintained (e.g. maintained by unqualified enough) and doesn't attract any significant interest from the community except few blog-posts from newcomers and distrohoppers who underestimate the necessary amount of work required to fork Gnome. Thus I believe this could be no more than a constant source of troubles. I'd rather help others with transition to Gnome3, as some active members of our local community (Russian Fedora) does. Would anyone like to see the MATE desktop environment as an official feature of Fedora 17 or Fedora 18? No. That's just my opinion but you asked for it. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 09:24 +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello 2011/12/9 Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com: I've submitted review requests for the first two packages for the MATE desktop environment, mate-doc-utils and mate-corba. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. I expect that it will take me a few months to package the remaining MATE packages. Mate is unmaintained (e.g. maintained by unqualified enough) and doesn't attract any significant interest from the community except few blog-posts from newcomers and distrohoppers who underestimate the necessary amount of work required to fork Gnome. Thus I believe this could be no more than a constant source of troubles. I'd rather help others with transition to Gnome3, as some active members of our local community (Russian Fedora) does. Is Mint providing any backing to it? I know they shipped it in their latest release, but don't know anything beyond that. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)
Peter Lemenkov wrote: I'd rather help others with transition to Gnome3, as some active members of our local community (Russian Fedora) does. I've spent months trying to get used to Gnome 3, and had lots of help from various people, and I still can't stand it. Yes, I know that there are people that like Gnome 3, but I'm not one of them. Gnome-shell-frippery helps, but isn't enough. I tried switching to Xfce, and found it to be a lot better than Gnome 3, but it was still missing a lot of things I'm accustomed to in Gnome 2. I'm not trying to start another advocacy thread. I'm just trying to package up an alternative for people like me who liked Gnome 2 better. Eric -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
