On Wed, 27.07.11 07:40, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote:
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it?
I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like
this 'free' with systemd,
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 06:43 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it?
I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like
this 'free' with systemd, without having to add any other package.
It is fine for really
On 07/27/2011 06:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 06:43 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it?
I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like
this 'free' with systemd, without having to add any
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 07:07 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 07/26/2011 02:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 07:24 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
should not be surprised that you see resistance (what new capability does
NFS
get from
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it?
I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like
this 'free' with systemd, without having to add any other package.
Be a little wary.
This is not
On 07/27/2011 11:43 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 07:07 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
We track autofs issues for fedora, upstream and RHEL and seems to work well
in
the field.
What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 01:11:24PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
On 07/27/2011 11:43 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 07:07 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
We track autofs issues for fedora, upstream and RHEL and seems to work
well in
On 07/27/2011 05:10 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
Be a little wary.
This is not really fine - systemd should do one thing and do it well
... when it starts to bleed off and try do too many things (with little
to zero rationale or benefit) then the chances of things going wrong
increase.
On Wed, 27.07.11 06:43, Ric Wheeler (rwhee...@redhat.com) wrote:
(try 'noauto,comment=systemd.automount' as mount parameters for an NFS
share)
We track autofs issues for fedora, upstream and RHEL and seems to work
well in
the field.
What specifically does systemd do that autofs
On Wed, 27.07.11 13:11, Bryn M. Reeves (b...@redhat.com) wrote:
It appears to use the kernel autofs support but replaces the userspace daemon
(and replaces the traditional automounter map file format with
system.automount
unit files).
I can appreciate a benefit for personal systems from
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 07:24 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
should not be surprised that you see resistance (what new capability does NFS
get from the systemd changes for example!).
reliable on-demand automounting, for a start. for which you already owe
Lennart about three kegs of beer, by my
On 07/26/2011 02:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 07:24 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
should not be surprised that you see resistance (what new capability does NFS
get from the systemd changes for example!).
reliable on-demand automounting, for a start. for which you already
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 07:07 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 07/26/2011 02:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 07:24 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
should not be surprised that you see resistance (what new capability does
NFS
get from the systemd changes for example!).
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 22:01 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote:
They have some valid reasons for wanting to avoid the risk of rendering
machines inoperable or insecure because something didn't start, but I
have to agree with you that the half systemd, half sysv init thing is
pretty damn fugly.
Well,
Messaggio originale
Da: drago01
Inviato: 22/07/2011, 19:16
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Oggetto: Re: thanks for F15 mdadm systemd unit
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21
On 07/23/2011 11:24 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
What I think that you and others are not given credit is that most
upstream maintainers have very long lists of things to do. The NFS
team is swamped doing support for pNFS (version 4.1) and has been
going through massive change for example.
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 00:09 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/22/2011 05:02 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
I don't have it backwards - my day job is to work on exactly getting
this kind of cutting edge feature out to end users.
Which feature of this magnitute have you put out to your
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
Am 22.07.2011 04:01, schrieb Doug Ledford:
They have some valid reasons for wanting to avoid the risk of rendering
machines inoperable or insecure because something didn't start
and while making a dist-upgrade to F16 where the whole system
is changed comes a helping angel or god himself
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement
On 07/22/2011 10:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40
On 07/22/2011 04:37 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
MD, NFS, clustering have complicated and complex needs. The systemd team - not
just the developers of those subsystems - need to be directly engaged and
proactive in getting all of these critical systems converted cleanly
I think you actually got
On 07/22/2011 12:47 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/22/2011 04:37 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
MD, NFS, clustering have complicated and complex needs. The systemd team -
not
just the developers of those subsystems - need to be directly engaged and
proactive in getting all of these critical
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
On 07/22/2011 01:16 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011
Am 22.07.2011 19:16, schrieb drago01:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:48:29 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote:
and the same guy who pushed pulseaudio in a total unuseable state
to fedora instead finish his work and push it after that does is
the maintainer of systemd - so maybe if we would not have the
expierience how long it takes until the
Am 22.07.2011 23:18, schrieb Michal Schmidt:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:48:29 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote:
and the same guy who pushed pulseaudio in a total unuseable state
to fedora instead finish his work and push it after that does is
the maintainer of systemd - so maybe if we would not have
I'd like to suggest:
a) Please avoid getting personal, stick to technical arguments/issues.
b) Is there any further useful discussion to be had in this thread?
Perhaps it's time to give it a rest for the weekend (or longer).
kevin
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Am 23.07.2011 00:17, schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
I'd like to suggest:
a) Please avoid getting personal, stick to technical arguments/issues.
it is not my intention to get personally and hurt anybody
as person, really!
i try to get borked things fixed which i can not fix by myself
and had to
On 07/22/2011 05:02 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
I don't have it backwards - my day job is to work on exactly getting
this kind of cutting edge feature out to end users.
Which feature of this magnitute have you put out to your users?
Serously if you have some motivation tips to get things moving I
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 13:38 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
in the past there were real developers which was able to
ah, the True Scotsman rears its head!
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On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
including the correspondending parts of the distribution
Just to be clear as this has been mentioned several times in recent
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
including the correspondending parts of the distribution
Just to be clear as this
On 07/21/2011 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
including the correspondending parts of
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On 7/20/2011 4:13 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com
wrote:
Unfortunately, I was told I should remove the systemd support in
particular, so I did. Glad to hear it worked for you though ;-)
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On 7/20/2011 6:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 20.07.2011 22:06, schrieb Doug Ledford:
On 07/15/2011 05:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=253031
* Fri Jul 15 2011 Doug Ledforddledf...@redhat.com
On 07/15/2011 05:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=253031
* Fri Jul 15 2011 Doug Ledforddledf...@redhat.com - 3.2.2-5
- Merge rawhide mdadm to f15. Rawhide changelog preserved even though
- the referenced versions do not exist in f15, rawhide
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com wrote:
Unfortunately, I was told I should remove the systemd support in
particular, so I did. Glad to hear it worked for you though ;-)
You mean in F15? Or do you mean in rawhide as well?
Id be interested in using unofficial
Am 20.07.2011 22:06, schrieb Doug Ledford:
On 07/15/2011 05:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=253031
* Fri Jul 15 2011 Doug Ledforddledf...@redhat.com - 3.2.2-5
- Merge rawhide mdadm to f15. Rawhide changelog preserved even though
- the
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=253031
* Fri Jul 15 2011 Doug Ledford dledf...@redhat.com - 3.2.2-5
- Merge rawhide mdadm to f15. Rawhide changelog preserved even though
- the referenced versions do not exist in f15, rawhide specific builds
- are from 3.2.1-1 through 3.2.2-4
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