Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 00:49 schrieb Stevens: Hi Bert, all, I changed the script (OperaActivity.py) posted on the wiki (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Opera ). This is the old script: import logging from sugar.activity import activity import sys, os import gtk class

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:13 PM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 25 Jun 2008 12:08:44 am Albert Cahalan wrote: *All the source code* for *every* piece of byte code in the image is available, and not only that, we even *ship* it No. This is not true. You ship a

New joyride build 2076

2008-06-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2076 Changes in build 2076 from build: 2074 Size delta: -0.26M -kernel 2.6.25-20080619.1.olpc.279b9db99a30fe6 +kernel 2.6.22-20080523.1.olpc.28f4cb6e780db07 -python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-1.fc9 --- Changes for kernel

Activity home dirs (was Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity)

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 01:22 schrieb John Gilmore: The activity start script should configure Opera to put its configuration file in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data instead of $HOME/.opera. Also it should set umask to 0002 so the config file is group-writable (otherwise the next activity instance cannot

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread James Cameron
But /etc/udev/rules.d is executed as root, so your activity would still need excessive privilege. -- James Cameronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Albert, Before drifting to a new topic, let me make sure one thing; did you get convinced that FSF's definition of software freedom doesn't contradict with a binary image file with right tools to fully explore/understand/modify it? If not, please explain. If so, I understand that you

Re: New joyride build 2074

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 02:55 schrieb Build Announcer v2: +perl 4:5.10.0-27.fc9 I re-opened #234 to get this fixed. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 05:12 schrieb Bernie Innocenti: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: If we manage to make DBus entirely optional, the initial effort of porting a Linux applications to Sugar would be greatly simplified. As far as I know this is already the case. The only non standard bit are a

New faster build 2076

2008-06-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2076 Changes in build 2076 from build: 2073 Size delta: -0.39M -kernel 2.6.25-20080619.1.olpc.279b9db99a30fe6 +kernel 2.6.22-20080523.1.olpc.28f4cb6e780db07 -python-jinja 1.2-2.fc7 +python-jinja 1.2-1.fc7 --- Changes for kernel

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, is there a way around this requirement too? A few days ago someone here at OLE Nepal bundled up Firefox 2 and was disappointed to get the infamous circle icon. For them, changing the code and rebuilding from

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If it's just that, adding _NET_WM_ICON support to the sugar shell should be really

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before drifting to a new topic, let me make sure one thing; did you get convinced that FSF's definition of software freedom doesn't contradict with a binary image file with right tools to fully

Re: [Server-devel] Yummy incron

2008-06-26 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused. Won't the XS servers always have swap/paging space? Paging is tolerable for batch processes, or for interactive stuff that is not

GSoC Status Report: Vision Processing

2008-06-26 Thread Nirav Patel
As you may know, OLPC got GSoC students again this summer. I am one of them, and my project is Vision Processing. That is, a library to use the webcam for more than capturing images. I am implementing this by adding v4l2 and computer vision functions to pygame. My code is available at

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If it's just that, adding _NET_WM_ICON support to the sugar shell should be really easy. I'm not sure... Surendra has been working on it. Added him to cc in case he has comments. I'm planning to work on a

Re: [Server-devel] Yummy incron

2008-06-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Bill Bogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure but any process that is waiting for a file to appear in the filesystem seem more like a batch process to me. There is no way to know how long it will take (and thus your timeouts). Bill, everything you say makes

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 17:36 -0700, Brian Pepple a écrit : On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 01:12 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: Can we enable the OLPC-specific patches and config in telepathy-salut in F-9? We're rebasing OLPC

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:03, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:01 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 17:36 -0700, Brian Pepple a écrit : On Wed,

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:23 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:03, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:01 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit : On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 24

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: But I got one more question for you, now to install the activity and having it running I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder. How can I do this while installing the activity itself. ( I need to make sure that when I unzip my activity .xo file the

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Deepak Saxena wrote: | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the | scope of the system to a very specific set

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the | scope of the system to a very specific set of sw

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
... to install the activity and having it running I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder. The preferred short answer seems to be NO. But if an Activity (application) *does* need something to be put into the operating system, should the Sugar environment provide a way to

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan: This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds me of the terrible mess that Minix was back in 1991, when the license permitted people to share patches but not code with the patches applied. Here you have a technical limit

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
Benjamin M. Schwartz writes: There is a planned design to allow the user to grant extra privileges to different Activities, but those privileges will probably never extend to loading arbitrary kernel modules. VMWare-1.xo It's the only way to get usable performance on a system that doesn't

Re: touchpad issues on 2072

2008-06-26 Thread Daniel Drake
I'm tracking Fedora 9 issues here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC-3 On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 11:50 -0500, Mark Bauer wrote: I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5 of movement will send the pointer all the

Re: touchpad issues on 2072

2008-06-26 Thread Bobby Powers
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5 of movement will send the pointer all the way across the display. Then it locks up the

Re: touchpad issues on 2072

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bobby Powers: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5 of movement will send the pointer all the way

New joyride build 2078

2008-06-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2078 Changes in build 2078 from build: 2076 Size delta: -0.13M -olpccontents 2.2-0 +olpccontents 2.3-1 --- Changes for olpccontents 2.3-1 from 2.2-0 --- + Repackage as proper F9/olpc3 rpm, which should fix the dependency -- This

Re: touchpad issues on 2072

2008-06-26 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:20:49PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 26.06.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bobby Powers: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build (2072). The touchpad is almost

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan: This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds me of the terrible mess that Minix was back in 1991, when the license permitted people to share patches

Re: custom kernel problem

2008-06-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Scott, Unfortunately, after I boot up the custom kernel, the X server fails to start because /home is mounted read-only. It's a bug in the master series kernel RPMs (or rather, in the initrd that accompanies

Re: custom kernel problem

2008-06-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Scott, Unfortunately, after I boot up the custom kernel, the X server fails to start because /home is mounted read-only. It's a bug in

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: I asked Dennis about branching salut, and he recommended we try keep everything in F-9 if possible. Is it feasible to put the rainbow specific patches in such that they are enabled with a runtime option, if built with

Re: Activity home dirs (was Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity)

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 08:53:47AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 26.06.2008 um 01:22 schrieb John Gilmore: The activity start script should configure Opera to put its configuration file in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data instead of $HOME/.opera. Also it should set umask to 0002 so the

New joyride build 2079

2008-06-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2079 Changes in build 2079 from build: 2078 Size delta: 0.39M -bootanim 0.17-0 +bootanim 1.0-1 -kernel 2.6.22-20080523.1.olpc.28f4cb6e780db07 +kernel 2.6.25-20080625.2.olpc.744e740861edba9 --- Changes for bootanim 1.0-1 from 0.17-0 ---

Re: [OLPC Security] SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Deepak Saxena wrote: On Jun 25 2008, at 14:01, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger was caught saying: On 25.06.2008 08:07, Michael Stone wrote: We have an activity that wants superuser privilege in order to poke kernel memory. Hello? Please take the poor activity out back and

Re: [OLPC Security] SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Deepak Saxena wrote: | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Edgar, According to the release notes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_8.1.0_Software_Release_Notes official-703 is a reference OS release which contains no activities. Luis needs to follow the instructions in that page to install activities or he needs to install a derivative build such as

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 26.06.2008 um 22:13 schrieb Albert Cahalan: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan: This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds me of the terrible mess that Minix was back in 1991,

Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, In yesterday's software status meeting, we formulated some conventions for using Trac for the next few months. They are: 1. The release team - presently including me, Greg Smith, and Kim Quirk will occasionally tag a ticket as 'blocks:8.2.0' to indicate that it blocks the 8.2.0

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would land in via the Milestone field. I tend to think the Milestone should be set by the bug owner (or by other developers in its team) and not by the bug

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Albert, The very foundation of the Linux development community (which Squeak developers are asking to be accepted by) includes an expectation that software can be handled in certain ways. I don't know if it is *very* foundation, yeah there is an expectation. I know it because I was one

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-26 Thread Edgar Ceballos
Thank you Michael, We will give it a try tomorrow. Regards, Edgar - Original Message - From: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Edgar Ceballos Cc: Michail Bletsas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Luis Fernando Sanchez Hurtado [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Luis Fernando

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would land in via the Milestone field. I tend to think the Milestone should be set

Parallel desktops

2008-06-26 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI that more closely resembled the environments to which they are accustomed. ~ I strongly disagree with these

New joyride build 2080

2008-06-26 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2080 Changes in build 2080 from build: 2079 Size delta: 0.00M -olpcrd 0.43-0 +olpcrd 0.44-0 +olpcsudo 1.3-0 -olpcupdate 2.8-0 +olpcupdate 2.9-1 -telepathy-salut 0.2.3-1.fc9 +telepathy-salut 0.2.3-2.fc9 --- Included olpcsudo version

Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository

2008-06-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad that Debian didn't break the rules for etoys. You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the source code decades ago. This turns out not to be the case. All of the source code for the parts of Etoys

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-26 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI that more closely resembled the environments to which they are accustomed. There's another use case, unmentioned, which is the G1G1

Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-26 Thread Stevens
Hi Bert, all -- On Jun 25, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Sure. Do not use the Python script. You don't want to run a Python activity but a native one - otherwise you get two windows, the empty one opened by Python and the real one by Opera. Instead, you only need a tiny

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-26 Thread Neil Graham
On Friday 27 June 2008 1:59:16 pm Chris Ball wrote: Instead of (or as well as) preparing a separate disk image, we could prepare a Desktop activity which launches an Xfce session and includes some office tools, the standard NetworkManager applet, a configurable CUPS installation, and so on.

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-26 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Ball wrote: | Instead of (or as well as) preparing a separate disk image, we could | prepare a Desktop activity which launches an Xfce session and includes | some office tools, the standard NetworkManager applet, a configurable | CUPS

A greater cause (Re: etoys now available in Debian's non-free repository)

2008-06-26 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Hello, Sorry for causing some email traffic last a few days. We, everybody who are participating the project, including Albert, John, Bert and myself, are working for a greater cause; that is to empower children all over the world via computer technology and education. There are some

Re: Running regular X11 apps

2008-06-26 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes in metacity and minor changes in sugar. If we want to support activity icons

[Server-devel] [PATCH] postprocess.py gets fleshed out, and incrontab tweaks

2008-06-26 Thread martin . langhoff
From: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] postprocess.py now provides hardlinked timestamped directories, and maintains a symlink pointing to the latest transferred directory. The timestamped directories are maintained with a resolution of the nearest minute - we don't expect to have more than one

[Server-devel] [PATCH] ds-backup client - fix rsync paths to the XS.

2008-06-26 Thread martin . langhoff
From: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- client/ds_backup.py |8 +--- client/ds_backup.sh |2 +- 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/client/ds_backup.py b/client/ds_backup.py index 60d0be2..089a2e9 100755 --- a/client/ds_backup.py +++