I think that the result of all this is that we can produce all of the
C (or some other language, maybe CLOS) and Smalltalk source files that
Debian wants (even if we think of the C as compiler output, we don't
have to bother them with that interpretation.) One of the compilers
translates a subset o
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2081
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Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
> There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC
> buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI
> that more closely resembled the environments to which they are accustomed.
> ~ I strongly disagree with these people, fe
At Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:47:11 -0700,
Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm glad that Debian didn't break the rules for etoys.
> > You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the
> > source code decades ago.
>
> This tur
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I gathered from my experiments, I think it makes sense for
> us to go with Metacity + maximus. That would require no code changes
> in metacity and minor changes in sugar. If we want to support activity
> ic
Hello,
Sorry for causing some email traffic last a few days.
We, everybody who are participating the project, including Albert,
John, Bert and myself, are working for a greater cause; that is to
empower children all over the world via computer technology and
education. There are some diffe
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Chris Ball wrote:
| Instead of (or as well as) preparing a separate disk image, we could
| prepare a Desktop activity which launches an Xfce session and includes
| some office tools, the standard NetworkManager applet, a configurable
| CUPS installatio
On Friday 27 June 2008 1:59:16 pm Chris Ball wrote:
> Instead of (or as well as) preparing a separate disk image, we could
> prepare a Desktop activity which launches an Xfce session and includes
> some office tools, the standard NetworkManager applet, a configurable
> CUPS installation, and so on.
Hi Bert, all --
On Jun 25, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Sure. Do not use the Python script. You don't want to run a Python
> activity but a native one - otherwise you get two windows, the
> empty one opened by Python and the real one by Opera. Instead, you
> only need a tiny
Hi,
> There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential
> OLPC buyers, that they would be more interested if the project
> offered a GUI that more closely resembled the environments to which
> they are accustomed.
There's another use case, unmentioned, which is the G1G
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm glad that Debian didn't break the rules for etoys.
> You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the
> source code decades ago.
This turns out not to be the case. All of the source code for the
parts of Etoys
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2080
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There have been periodic suggestions, including some by potential OLPC
buyers, that they would be more interested if the project offered a GUI
that more closely resembled the environments to which they are accustomed.
~ I strongly disagree with these p
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would
> > land in via the Milestone field.
>
> I tend to think the Milestone should
Thank you Michael,
We will give it a try tomorrow.
Regards,
Edgar
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From: Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Edgar Ceballos
Cc: Michail Bletsas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Luis Fernando Sanchez Hurtado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Luis Fern
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Other than the circle icon, do you have any ma
Albert,
> The very foundation of the Linux development community
> (which Squeak developers are asking to be accepted by)
> includes an expectation that software can be handled in
> certain ways.
I don't know if it is *very* foundation, yeah there is an
expectation. I know it because I was o
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would
> land in via the Milestone field.
I tend to think the Milestone should be set by the bug owner (or by
other developers in its team) and not by the bug
Dear world,
In yesterday's software status meeting, we formulated some conventions
for using Trac for the next few months. They are:
1. The release team - presently including me, Greg Smith, and Kim Quirk
will occasionally tag a ticket as 'blocks:8.2.0' to indicate that it
blocks the 8.2.0
Am 26.06.2008 um 22:13 schrieb Albert Cahalan:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>> Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan:
>>
> This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds
> me of the terrible mess that Minix w
Edgar,
According to the release notes:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_8.1.0_Software_Release_Notes
official-703 is a reference OS release which contains no activities.
Luis needs to follow the instructions in that page to install activities
or he needs to install a derivative build such as
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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> Deepak Saxena wrote:
> | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these
> | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and
> | hw combinations on the XO. The other opti
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Deepak Saxena wrote:
> On Jun 25 2008, at 14:01, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger was caught saying:
>> On 25.06.2008 08:07, Michael Stone wrote:
>>> We have an activity that wants superuser privilege in order to poke
>>> kernel memory.
>>>
>>
>> Hello? Please take the poor activity o
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2079
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 08:53:47AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> Am 26.06.2008 um 01:22 schrieb John Gilmore:
>
> >> The activity start script should configure Opera to put its
> >> configuration file in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data instead of
> >> $HOME/.opera. Also it should set umask to 0002
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote:
> I asked Dennis about branching salut, and he recommended we try keep
> everything in F-9 if possible. Is it feasible to put the rainbow
> specific patches in such that they are enabled with a runtime option,
> if built with --enable-
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> > Unfortunately, after I boot up the custom kernel, the X server
>> > fails to start because /home is mounted read-only.
>>
>
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> > Unfortunately, after I boot up the custom kernel, the X server
> > fails to start because /home is mounted read-only.
>
> It's a bug in the "master" series kernel RPMs (or rather, in the initrd
> that acco
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan:
>
This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds
me of the terrible mess that Minix was back in 1991, when the
license permitted people to
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:20:49PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> Am 26.06.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bobby Powers:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build
> >> (2072). The touchpad
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2078
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Am 26.06.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bobby Powers:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build
>> (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5" of
>> movement will send the pointer al
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build
> (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5" of
> movement will send the pointer all the way across the display. Then
> it locks up the
I'm tracking Fedora 9 issues here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC-3
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 11:50 -0500, Mark Bauer wrote:
> I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build
> (2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5" of
> movement will send the pointer all t
Benjamin M. Schwartz writes:
> There is a planned design to allow the user to grant extra privileges
> to different Activities, but those privileges will probably never
> extend to loading arbitrary kernel modules.
VMWare-1.xo
It's the only way to get usable performance on a system that
doesn't
Am 26.06.2008 um 10:53 schrieb Albert Cahalan:
>>> This idea of applying patch collections is disturbing. It reminds
>>> me of the terrible mess that Minix was back in 1991, when the
>>> license permitted people to share patches but not code with
>>> the patches applied. Here you have a technical
> Right. I'm also not explaining why software freedom is
> good, why maintainability is good, why interoperability
> is good, etc. Values are values.
That is alright. You tried several claims to say Etoys is not open
source based on incorrect ideas, and now it seems that you exhausted
such clai
I upgraded my G1G1 as I have many times to the latest joyride build
(2072). The touchpad is almost impossible to use, about 0.5" of
movement will send the pointer all the way across the display. Then
it locks up the pointer for 20 or 30 seconds. The rest of the
machine is still running, and
> ... to install the activity and having it running
> I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder.
The preferred short answer seems to be NO. But if an Activity
(application) *does* need something to be put into the operating
system, should the "Sugar environment" provide a way
benjamin m. schwartz wrote:
>
> Deepak Saxena wrote:
> | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these
> | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and
> | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the
> | scope of the system to a very specific set o
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Deepak Saxena wrote:
| I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these
| cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and
| hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the
| scope of the system to a very specific set o
On Jun 25 2008, at 14:01, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger was caught saying:
> On 25.06.2008 08:07, Michael Stone wrote:
> > We have an activity that wants superuser privilege in order to poke
> > kernel memory.
> >
>
> Hello? Please take the poor activity out back and shoot it. No activity
> has any bu
shivaprasad wrote:
> But I got one more question for you, now to install the activity and having
> it running I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder. How
> can I do this while installing the activity itself. ( I need to make sure
> that when I unzip my activity .xo file the
Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:23 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit :
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:03, Guillaume Desmottes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:01 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit :
> >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:03, Guillaume Desmottes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:01 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit :
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 17:36 -0700, Brian Pepple a écrit :
>> >> On
Le jeudi 26 juin 2008 à 17:01 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit :
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 17:36 -0700, Brian Pepple a écrit :
> >> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 01:12 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote:
> >> > Can we enable the OLPC
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01, Guillaume Desmottes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le mardi 24 juin 2008 à 17:36 -0700, Brian Pepple a écrit :
>> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 01:12 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote:
>> > Can we enable the OLPC-specific patches and config in telepathy-salut
>> > in F-9? We're rebas
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Bill Bogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure but any process that is waiting for a file to appear in the
> filesystem seem more like a batch process to me. There is no way to
> know how long it will take (and thus your timeouts).
Bill,
everything you say makes
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If it's just
> that, adding _NET_WM_ICON support to the sugar shell should be really
> easy.
I'm not sure... Surendra has been working on it.
Added him to cc in case he has comments.
> I'm planning to work on
As you may know, OLPC got GSoC students again this summer. I am one
of them, and my project is Vision Processing. That is, a library to
use the webcam for more than capturing images. I am implementing this
by adding v4l2 and computer vision functions to pygame.
My code is available at http://gi
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Langhoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Bill Bogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm confused. Won't the XS servers always have swap/paging space?
>
> Paging is tolerable for batch processes, or for interactive stuff that
>
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before drifting to a new topic, let me make sure one thing; did you
> get convinced that FSF's definition of software freedom doesn't
> contradict with a binary image file with right tools to fully
> explore/understand/
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If it's just
>> that, adding _NET_WM_ICON support to the sugar shell should
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Other than the circle icon, do you have any major issue? If it's just
> that, adding _NET_WM_ICON support to the sugar shell should be really
> easy.
Great.
BTW, the old-style bitmaps could be given the XO colors
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Oh, is there a way around this requirement too? A few days ago
>> someone here at OLE Nepal bundled up Firefox 2 and was disappointed
>> to get the infamous circle icon. For them, changing the code and
>> rebuilding f
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2076
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Am 26.06.2008 um 05:12 schrieb Bernie Innocenti:
> Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
>>> If we manage to make DBus entirely optional, the initial effort
>>> of porting a Linux applications to Sugar would be greatly
>>> simplified.
>>
>> As far as I know this is already the case. The only non standard bi
Am 26.06.2008 um 02:55 schrieb Build Announcer v2:
> +perl 4:5.10.0-27.fc9
I re-opened #234 to get this fixed.
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Albert,
Before drifting to a new topic, let me make sure one thing; did you
get convinced that FSF's definition of software freedom doesn't
contradict with a binary image file with right tools to fully
explore/understand/modify it?
If not, please explain. If so, I understand that you don't
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