Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-23 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2008 à 12:38 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : > > I can run a bash/python script upon the reception of the message with > the message parameters. This makes it flexible enough to call any > application. > Then I think you should write a Python application which connect to the

Re: Cannot boot joyride-2200 from USB stick

2008-07-23 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 23 2008, at 22:30, Ton van Overbeek was caught saying: > Hello, > > My xo-1 is currently on build 708. > For testing joyride-2200 I did not want to reflash yet, but boot from a > USB stick instead. > So I downloaded the image from > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/xo-1/streams/joyride/bu

Re: Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I get the same result on Joyride 2202 (manually upgraded to 2203). What is happening is that in Terminal on my XO certain keypresses (e.g., up-arrow, right-arrow, end) are not being recognized. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http:

New joyride build 2203

2008-07-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2203 Changes in build 2203 from build: 2202 Size delta: 0.13M +PolicyKit-olpc 1.1-1.fc9 -olpc-utils 0.79-1.olpc3 +olpc-utils 0.80-1.olpc3 --- Included PolicyKit-olpc version 1.1-1.fc9 --- -- This mail was automatically generated Se

Re: Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Gary C Martin
Just added a ticket for this myself: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7617 Seems to affect quite a number of keys – at least on my XO B4 with Spanish overlay (worked fine in 2174). I'd previously added ticket (Journal search and frame key have no effect): http://dev.laptop.org/ti

Cannot boot joyride-2200 from USB stick

2008-07-23 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Hello, My xo-1 is currently on build 708. For testing joyride-2200 I did not want to reflash yet, but boot from a USB stick instead. So I downloaded the image from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/xo-1/streams/joyride/build2200/devel_ext3/xo-1-olpc-stream-joyride-devel_ext3.img.bz2, unzipped

Re: Tuxpaint activity is bloated

2008-07-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 23.07.2008 um 22:11 schrieb Albert Cahalan: > The allowed set > of characters was undocumented, has recently changed (breaking an > existing activity) without notice, and is still undocumented AFAIK. It is documented: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format - Bert - _

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 23.07.2008 um 20:28 schrieb Daniel Drake: > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 19:20 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. >> >> On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no "bash history" accessible in >> Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up wha

Re: Tuxpaint activity is bloated

2008-07-23 Thread Albert Cahalan
FYI, the Tux Paint port is mine. I have CVS commit rights to the main Tux Paint code base. Probably 5% to 10% of the code is mine. Mitch Bradley writes: > The filesystem layout for the tuxpaint activity has a lot of > boilerplate that contributes to it taking up a lot of space on NAND. > In some

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 8 - Use the same NAND space. > > > *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. > > Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. > > Not so: > > 703: 309M .jffs2 > 2202: 298M .jffs2 > > Credit d

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, >> 8 - Use the same NAND space. > *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. > Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. Not so: 703: 309M .jffs2 2202: 298M .jffs2 Credit due to Daniel Drake for chasing out every last extra dependency. (And then Perl

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-23 Thread John Gilmore
> > 2) Sugar would run more smoothly on-XO if jhbuild were retired. > I think this is a good point in the abstract. Do any frequent contributors > *not* have an XO? I approve of retiring jhbuild, and handing out XO's to Sugar contributors, but you've really got the question backwards: => Do

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Richard A. Smith
Gary C Martin wrote: Pushing the back to devel@ > Hi Richard, > > On 23 Jul 2008, at 23:37, Richard A. Smith wrote: >> These 2 are going to be really hard to quantify in hard yes or no terms. >> We can't reproduce the problem with any regularity. Without a >> repeatable method of causing the

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 8 - Use the same NAND space. *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. > 9 - Always boots up, especially when there is no space on NAND "Always" is a tricky on

New joyride build 2202

2008-07-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2202 Changes in build 2202 from build: 2201 Size delta: -12.71M -pyabiword 0.6.0.svn20071127-1 +pyabiword 0.6.1-4.olpc3 -libabiword 1:2.6.4-5.olpc3 +libabiword 1:2.6.4-6.olpc3 -perl 4:5.10.0-30.fc9 -perl-Module-Pluggable 1:3.60-30.fc9 -p

Re: [OLPC-Games] Computer vision on the XO: what it is. what should it be?

2008-07-23 Thread Joshua Minor
On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Nirav Patel wrote: > > 2. Play pong with your hand: Have the user step out of the field of > view of the camera, save the image. Now threshold between the saved > image and the images currently being captured. This results in just > showing the differences between

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Sameer Verma
Richard A. Smith wrote: > Greg Smith wrote: > > >> 3 - Cursor control the same, including number of XOs where it moves >> without input or moves without correlation to finger on touchpad >> > > >> 13 - No new cases where the cursor stops responding (AKA hangs) for more >> than 30 seconds

Re: Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 19:20 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. > > On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no "bash history" accessible in > Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up what had > been previously entered at the prompt. ["

Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no "bash history" accessible in Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up what had been previously entered at the prompt. ["bash history" is accessible from the text console (alt-ctl-F1).] m

Tuxpaint activity is bloated

2008-07-23 Thread Mitch Bradley
The filesystem layout for the tuxpaint activity has a lot of boilerplate that contributes to it taking up a lot of space on NAND. In some NAND images from Uruguay that I analyzed today, over 5000 directory entries - nearly 50% of the total number of dirents in /home - were from tuxpaint. For ex

Another tree-map image of joyride

2008-07-23 Thread Gary C Martin
I've just uploaded a more detailed treemap image to the wiki, it has some of the larger files annotated. Some of this is probably getting stale already (based on joyride-2174), but it's still quite a nice way to get a feel for the size of various components. http://wiki.laptop.org/go

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Richard A. Smith
Greg Smith wrote: > 3 - Cursor control the same, including number of XOs where it moves > without input or moves without correlation to finger on touchpad > 13 - No new cases where the cursor stops responding (AKA hangs) for more > than 30 seconds. These 2 are going to be really hard to quantify

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > After a chat with the team this week I tried to come up with a > definition of what is "good enough to release" for 8.2.0. Thanks. > This is just a starting point and I'm sure we'll talk about it again. > > Pleas

New joyride build 2201

2008-07-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2201 Changes in build 2201 from build: 2200 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-journal 94-2.200807015git814c37616b.fc9 +sugar-journal 95-1.fc9 -libabiword 1:2.6.4-4.olpc3 +libabiword 1:2.6.4-5.olpc3 -sugar 0.81.6-4.20080715git8137d5c37f.fc9 +sugar

Re: "joyride-weekly" builds for testing. (Michael Stone)

2008-07-23 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, We could especially use verification of these items: http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=milestone&next_action=qa+signoff&order=priority The developers have marked those as ready for QA sign off so any

Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, After a chat with the team this week I tried to come up with a definition of what is "good enough to release" for 8.2.0. This is just a starting point and I'm sure we'll talk about it again. Please comment, edit and augment as needed. I may be missing some important areas... When the

"joyride-weekly" builds for testing.

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Stone
As part of our gradual stabilization program, each week, we're going to nominate "the newest non-disqualified Tinderbox-approved joyride build available as of 9:00 AM EDT on Wednesday" as the "joyride-weekly" test candidate for people who are unable to contribute test results against joyride-

Re: New joyride build 2200

2008-07-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:04, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Build Announcer v2 wrote: > | +perl 4:5.10.0-30.fc9 > | +perl-Module-Pluggable 1:3.60-30.fc9 > | +perl-Pod-Escapes 1:1.04-30.fc9 > | +perl-Pod-Simple 1:3.05-30.fc9 >

Re: New joyride build 2200

2008-07-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Build Announcer v2 wrote: | +perl 4:5.10.0-30.fc9 | +perl-Module-Pluggable 1:3.60-30.fc9 | +perl-Pod-Escapes 1:1.04-30.fc9 | +perl-Pod-Simple 1:3.05-30.fc9 | +perl-libs 4:5.10.0-30.fc9 | +perl-version 3:0.74-30.fc9 LOL. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATU

New joyride build 2200

2008-07-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2200 Changes in build 2200 from build: 2179 Size delta: 7.47M -sugar-update-control 0.3-1 +sugar-update-control 0.4-1 -etoys 3.0.2050-1 +etoys 3.0.2059-1 -kernel 2.6.25-20080718.1.olpc.192d0b5a36442b2 +kernel 2.6.25-20080722.2.olpc.d8698

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
[This does not fit the 'Subject:', but is still worth remarking.] Walter wrote: > It is clear from even a casual review of the devel and sugar lists and trac > that much of the frustration experienced by both users and developers > resides not in the details of, for example, dbus or Python, but ra

Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

2008-07-23 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Currently, there is no way to upload a Write file with images. I will try to get some kind of support for uploading it, but it is an area in itself. The upload format is not easy to convert to xhtml as far as I know. I was not aware of a lot of the issues in this area since the information o

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-23 Thread Ankur Verma
I can run a bash/python script upon the reception of the message with the message parameters. This makes it flexible enough to call any application. For more details, Please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/SMS Thanks Ankur On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Guillaume Desmottes < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Joyrides not working

2008-07-23 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 11:15 -0500, Mark Bauer wrote: > Any progress on joyride builds ? builds 2188 -> 2199 are all > Build Incomplete. 2200 is my lucky number. Give it an hour or two... Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http:

Joyrides not working

2008-07-23 Thread Mark Bauer
Any progress on joyride builds ? builds 2188 -> 2199 are all Build Incomplete. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread David Farning
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 19:49 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my > reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are > a few initial comments. Michael, many of your observation are correct...as are many of respon

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Walter Bender
Michael, First, thank you for launching this discussion thread. It is important to get our heads out of the trenches on occasion, even if everyone is overwhelmed with the details of the day-to-day task of getting 8.2 out the door. I have to echo the point made by Martin: in fact, despite no livin

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
meta-comments: 1) I think all this discussion should be interpreted in the spirit of "how can we do better, and what can we be focused on in the next year", rather than "this is why things are bad" (because they're not). I'm not sure a casual reader would understand this. 2) I'll leave more invol

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 12:28 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > > I wouldn't encourage http :-) > I actively discourage http It conceptually mixes layering in a horrific fashion... HTTP does have some major features: in particular, that the default behavior allowing extensions is to ignore w

Re: External contributions (Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar)

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:03:42PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, some guidance is needed. [...] > Tomeu, Simon and Eben has been much more proactive and, what matters > most, more *succesfull* than anyone

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 09:36 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: > > Write, Read, TamTam, Paint, Record, Memorize to name a few have been > really struggling lately. There are probably various reasons for that > - one might be I that the activities have been taken out from the base > system another one

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33:38AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Martin Dengler wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: > >>For sugar core - I don't think that 'small fixes' need more than > >>python skills. > > > >I agree. Of course people also need "the kno

External contributions (Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar)

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Dengler wrote: > Sure, some guidance is needed. I hope we have done a decent job to guide you > to the > places to provide your great fixes :) > > for example: > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar;a=commit;h=4030

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Martin Dengler wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Michael Stone wrote: > [...] >>>Evidence: Non-extensible aspects of Sugar like activity launching, >>>home view layout, frame contents, and the presence service have >>>stagnated. > [...] >> For

ls-r command in OFW

2008-07-23 Thread Mitch Bradley
I have added some new commands to the OFW source; they will appear in the next firmware that I release. They may be of some value in debugging "nand filled up" problems - but on the other hand, they might not, because JFFS2 can fill up in ways that don't show up in directory listings. (Some fi

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: [...] > >Evidence: Non-extensible aspects of Sugar like activity launching, > >home view layout, frame contents, and the presence service have > >stagnated. [...] > For sugar core - I don't think th

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, Tomeu, What's the state of #7220? It's still open, but I thought > this was already taken care of by including a "default" activities.default > in the build, so that even if the country doesn't supply one, kids do

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand, circumventing the > layers altogether has not been an option either as it would brake > "backwards compatibility" with existing activities (Sugar is a two-year > old experimental project an

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [2]: I consider web-browsers and Unix shells to be "fluent translators" > for the programmers who I expect to be hacking on Sugar as opposed to > the dbus-introspection tools which currently seem to me to be like > "novice

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: >> After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my >> reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are >> a few initial comments. >> >> 1) Sugar could be

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-23 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mardi 22 juillet 2008 à 18:36 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : > > Message is in the format Nick_Name:Message. Though its true that > Nicknames are not unique across a school, but it is the only way to > specify XO in a user-friendly manner. > > If XO is not currently connected, a SMS autoreply w

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Michael Stone wrote: > After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my > reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are > a few initial comments. > > 1) Sugar could better hold contributors if it (and its web presence) > were designed to be extended

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Martin Langhoff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael's analysis is useful inasmuch we can read it going forward. As >> Michael, I wasn't here 2 years ago, but I have been on the ground on >> many projects under tight deadlines. It's