Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Steve Holton
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up on NN and Microsoft. What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to Microsoft? If the XO was running a completely closed

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So as a fair practice I think it's clear that no special actions can ethically be made to prevent Windows or any other OS from running on the machine. So a Windows port for the XO isn't something that could have been

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread david
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Steve Holton wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's look at this with a slightly different lens before we blow up on NN and Microsoft. What does this agreement equate to? And what are the alternatives to Microsoft? If the

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 17:56 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's doubtful the free software community would do what Microsoft is demanding: asking the manufacturer to add 5-10% to the cost of the hardware to facilitate their efforts, nor would the free software community charge a $3.00

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Seth Woodworth
He's not declaring a policy of ethical inaction. He made an announcement called Microsoft wherein he describes an OLPC-supported firmware modification that will allow Windows to boot on the XO-1. He p it to an OLPC mailing list. He then claimed no OLPC resources would be devoted to the

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
2008/5/16 Steve Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Walter Bender on his own and dedicated to bringing Sugar to every machine on a FOSS stack, and all OLPC produced software being safely GPL'ed, I feel confident that Sugar can beat

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Seth Woodworth
...and to which the free software (linux) community would respond with a reverse engineering effort, at it's own (collective) expense, and rather quickly have a solution. If turnabout is fair play, let Microsoft adopt the free software community response as well. The golden rule doesn't

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Fox
seth wrote: Of course. Sugar is not dead, just OLPC. That's why the fork occurred. Sugarlabs isn't a fork. The code bases are still the same and aren't going to change. It's more like upstream sources now. Or a forking of management, not code. devil's advocate: how would

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Seth Woodworth
devil's advocate: how would someone on the outside (of either OLPC, or sugarlabs) know that that is the case? all that has happened (from the public view of things) is that this new wiki has sprung up, claiming essentially that this is where sugar lives. there's been no announcement

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Walter Bender
There has been some mention of a new community initiative to carry on the development of Sugar. A number of community members have set up SugarLabs.org in order to further extend Sugar. Sugar Labs will focus on providing a software ecosystem that enhances learning on the XO laptop as well as other

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread Kurt H Maier
If XO sales are so unrestricted, why can't I buy one at laptop.org? Are you willing to buy 100 or more? Willing? Yes. Able? No. Are you willing to let free-market capitalism drive a not-for-profit project aimed at developing nations? Be realisitic. Our software isn't customizable beyond

Re: [support-gang] [sugar] Microsoft

2008-05-15 Thread scott
Hi All, On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The golden rule doesn't say: Treat others as you have been treated, It says to treat others as you would like to be treated. The golden rule also has absolutely nothing to do with reality when you're