Dear devel,
Here are the latest results from Cerebro's (http://cerebro.mit.edu)
scaling properties. A 65-node testbed was used (703, Q2D14). The
NetworkManager had to be disabled in order to stabilize the behavior of
each XO's wireless interface. Unfortunately, the difficulty and time
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 03:29:51AM -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
Unfortunately, the difficulty and time necessary to manage
increasingly more nodes is linear (given that the NetworkManager is
disabled ;-), but increases steeply.
1. when I was testing a much smaller mesh last year,
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each
of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate
packages are almost entirely independant of each
On Thursday 08 May 2008 1:50:59 pm Albert Cahalan wrote:
From time to time, you get computer day. It could be
a few times a year or once a week. Most likely this is
decided by the teacher, who must then try to reserve the
computers for the desired day. At the beginning of class,
somebody
Hello all,
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks, will try this out
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 16:01 -0400, Samuel Klein wrote:
Advice from the field : try dusting a jumpy touchpad with chalkdust.
--SJ, who is looking for a cite...
Yes this is a discovery
On 09.05.2008, at 09:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version
of each of
those packages
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote:
We must fix this Help greatfully appreciated. It isn't very much
work to get there from here.
at the moment it doesn't seem as if there's agreement yet that this does
need to get fixed.
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 08:35:27AM +, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
2. On-screen volume indicator that shows what level the volume is
at when the volume buttons are pressed.
Martin Dengler has been kindly offering patches to add something
similar to the Frame. Eben, can you comment on
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
H, sorry, run that past me again. I thought the intention was that
the Journal was an integral part of the Sugar UI, and the plan was
that the Journal code was going to be integrated to the Sugar Shell
for (I think)
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 09.05.2008, at 09:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Jim Gettys wrote:
We must fix this Help greatfully appreciated. It isn't very much
work to get there from here.
at the moment it doesn't seem as if there's
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal linux
boxes? without having to install the full sugar package and run
everything under sugar in one window. this doesn't mean that some
libraries won't need to be
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in part the other response to my message that seemed to have the attitude
that 'fixing' the problem would reduce Sugar to 'just another WM' rendering
it worthless.
That's not how I read Greg post but anyway...
there have been other
On 5/8/08, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 20:22 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 16:06 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On 5/8/08, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/8/08, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'm afraid i need to ask one of those i feel like i should know
the answer questions:
what's the relationship between olpcfs, as described in the
design (and prototype?) scott sent around last week, and the
simplified datastore prototyped by tomeu
On 5/8/08, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 16:06 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On 5/8/08, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 13:09 +, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding what you are requesting and what
could be
On 5/8/08, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:43 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, in the olpcfs design we provide a vfat-like metadata structure
(mounted
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe TWO sets of Activities need to be made available to users
who are not schoolkids linked to a school server. One set I'll call
'stable Activities' - they are packaged in Activity Packs such as
the ones for
On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar.
[...]
a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized
activities use
a standard file picker call so that it could go to the journal on
the XO
machine, or to a normal file
On 5/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each
of those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these
Hi Polychronis,
Thanks for sharing the results. Did you use a wireless AP or active
antenna? If you can include a few details on that it will help. Can you
also include the XO build # and XS build and config if relevant?
Would you say that this test passed? That is, can we recommend that
schools
Hello, everybody.
I would like to work on mesh networking with regard to control traffic
managing in large networks.
Could you give me some info about setting up my own project or joining to an
existing one (if there is any).
Looking forward to your reply.
Arina Rudakova.
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal linux
boxes? without having to install the full sugar package and run
everything under
2008/5/9 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As for the sharing stuff, I know you can download and use the telepathy
libs, but would you also need a presence service running? Could this be
automatically started when an app wants to collaborate, or is it something
that would have to be running in
Bobby Powers wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about Sugar software running as well as possible on normal
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 15:30 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote:
The way I see it it is somewhat of a two way street. Personally, if
I'm going to run Sugar apps in Gnome I would prefer them to integrate
nicely with my other apps, just as I would prefer apps running in
Sugar to be 'sugary'.
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your pocket, and you
need to access something on a foreign system, you are stuck unless there
is some minimal level of human interpretability of the
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:42 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
If we internally store deltas, some kind of magic will need to happen
so the user can access other than the last version.
Last version is by far the most common thing people want to access on a
casual basis
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 08:05:51AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote:
We can use Xkb/AccessX's MouseKeys accessibility feature to provide an
easy work-around for many of our touchpad problems. MouseKeys is easy to
hi michael -- nice work. have you seen this thread on olpcnews?
The following graph is the cumulative distribution function. It shows
that, on average, each XO has received about 95% of the profiles of the
rest of the nodes within just 20 seconds. This performance boost is due
to the fact that each XO queried for its profile, responds by
broadcasting the
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your pocket, and you
need to access something on a foreign system, you are
Hi Greg
A couple of points in clarification...
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Polychronis,
Thanks for sharing the results. Did you use a wireless AP or active
antenna? If you can include a few details on that it will help. Can you
also
Hi Morgan,
Got it, thanks!
Let me know if we have a chance to comment on the design of future tests
to help align them with user requirements. I want to find a few basic
cases which we can support now (e.g. 10 or less Xos is a good start) and
help position the timing and details of use cases
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| I ask because there is recent feedback on mesh issues from a teacher at
| Lambayeque, Peru http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Lambayeque#Inconvenientes and
| a teacher in Uruguay has asked about supported Mesh features too. The
|
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:09 AM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 08 May 2008 1:50:59 pm Albert Cahalan wrote:
From time to time, you get computer day. It could be
a few times a year or once a week. Most likely this is
decided by the teacher, who must then try to reserve
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your pocket, and you
need to access something on a foreign system, you are
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess the case that
worries me here, though, is backup. I'm not sure it's prudent to
decompress and recompress with each backup and restore...
Can you explain what worries you regarding backups?
Thanks,
Tomeu
On 09.05.2008, at 18:11, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance
action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your pocket, and
you
need
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 09.05.2008, at 18:11, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance
action:
if a
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:43 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, in the olpcfs design we provide a vfat-like metadata structure
(mounted via FUSE) so that the filesystem on the USB key appears to
the journal code just like the flash does. No FUSE is necessary to
see the files
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your
As an external developer/observer - I would like to see the SD supported
as an extension of DS space, whereas USB should definitely be considered
removable (seeing as how I can't close the lid with them in :-). That
some might want SD to be removable would make that an optioned behavior,
but
I think expanding the space available to the DS through usb devices or
sd cards is a use case we should take in consideration when designing
the DS, even if we don't plan to support it right now.
Marco
To be more clear about this use case: I think that there should definitely
be a way for
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Bobby Powers wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about Sugar
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 12:10:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote:
To be more clear about this use case: I think that there should definitely
be a way for the onboard datastore to store the metadata for an absent file,
with hints about what place(s) to find that file (networked backup, sd
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar.
[...]
a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized
activities use
a standard file picker call so that it could go to the journal on
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 12:10:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote:
To be more clear about this use case: I think that there should definitely
be a way for the onboard datastore to store the metadata for an absent file,
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FUSE is great, but...
It means interoperability must be an explicit planned-in-advance action:
if a datastore is already on a removable device in your pocket, and you
need to access
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 12:10:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote:
To be more clear about this use case: I think that there should definitely
be a way for the onboard datastore to store the metadata for an absent file,
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1935
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The notion of keeping track of off-line copies in an online journal is not
new. In the olden days of small disks, many archival systems existed that
put old files onto archive tapes.They did keep track of the location of
the archived file, and some of them prompted the operator (yes, I am
Martin et al,
Not a lawyer... but I know law and I have studied the issue of law and
filtering of the public information and I gave consulting to many
congressmen that were the ones that establish the peruvian laws about
what children can see and cannot see (I will not get in the debate
about
On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote:
Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they
are unlikely to be in use all day long. Programmers in IT companies may
spend their whole day before a computer, but children do have a life
beyond the keyboard :-).
Michael Stone wrote:
Data Questions:
* Are the measurements used to make the display of 'distributions of
profile arrival rate vs. time' produced from timestamps of profile
arrival as recorded by all the laptops or by some smaller set of
'sentinels'?
All XOs got synced clocks (by
Hello John and all,
Tip 1: Due to one of my previous works I have been able to check the
log of huge servers here in Peru.
I was looking for technical reasons for some weird behaviour on a small
network. Then, suddenly, I realize
that the word sex and sex related websites were all over the
Hey Pol,
what format is the data in, is this pcap?
Bill
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Polychronis
Ypodimatopoulos
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:35 PM
To: Michael Stone; OLPC Development
Subject: Re: [sugar] 65-node simple mesh test
Bill Mccormick wrote:
Hey Pol,
what format is the data in, is this pcap?
yes, it's libpcap. Saved from wireshark. I just tested the file and
successfully loaded in wireshark ;-)
Pol
The raw capture is here:
http://lyme.media.mit.edu/cerebro/capture-1
Hi Greg,
Greg Smith (gregmsmi) wrote:
Thanks for sharing the results. Did you use a wireless AP or active
antenna?
No access points or active antennas were involved. This is a simple mesh
network test.
If you can include a few details on that it will help. Can you
also include the XO
It does look like the NM code will select APs over mesh... I bet this
plays havoc with IP changing between link local addresses and DHCP
addresses.
Did you expect over half of the packets in your data file to be
broadcasts? Specifically 11754 out of 21587 packets were sent to the
broadcast
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote:
Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they
are unlikely to be in use all day long. Programmers in IT companies may
spend their whole
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Marcus Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be *very* interested to compare the distribution on a wired network.
It seems to me that given
the broadcast model, everybody should see everybody else in much
shorter time than the 55 seconds
shown in the outlying
On Fri, 9 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 09.05.2008, at 09:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which is why I fail to see the big point of Sugar.
[...]
a perfect example was the suggeation to make the sugarized activities
use a standard file
Pol,
I forgot to ask, do you have a tool that parses the messsages and counts
up etc.? Wireshark only parses the 1st mac header.
Bill
-Original Message-
From: Mccormick, Bill (CAR:CTO2)
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:31 PM
To: 'Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos'; 'Michael Stone'; 'OLPC
*But* I also think it should be possible to run a Sugar activity on a
standard desktop and a desktop application in the Sugar shell. Integration is
great and we should encourage it, but we can't assume it will always happen.
And in the cases it doesn't happen, not-integrated is better than
Bill Mccormick wrote:
Pol,
I forgot to ask, do you have a tool that parses the messsages and counts
up etc.? Wireshark only parses the 1st mac header.
Heh, you 're putting your finger on the wound now! The main reason I did
not attempt a wireshark plugin for Cerebro yet is because I
Bill Mccormick wrote:
It does look like the NM code will select APs over mesh... I bet this
plays havoc with IP changing between link local addresses and DHCP
addresses.
This is partly because of the scalability limitations of the existing
collaboration model in a simple mesh. However,
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Marcus Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be *very* interested to compare the distribution on a wired network.
It seems to me that given
the broadcast model, everybody should see everybody else in much
shorter time than the 55 seconds
shown in the outlying
On 09.05.2008, at 20:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bert,
if you try and say that the entire world is wrong in how it writes
software,
Actually, that's exactly what I think, and entire world includes
yours truly ;)
But this isn't the place to talk about that (if you're curious, visit
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a wireless network, broadcasts are successfully received with much
lower probability. RF is mysterious and magical, and all sorts of
connection asymmetries, near-field effects, and radiation lobe
patterns
Hi,
We are happy to announce the first development release of the wireless
firmware + driver compatible with the kernel's mac80211 stack. This is
a first step towards supporting a soft Access Point (hostap) on the
xo, a project in which are actively working.
The release is made of the following
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, K. K. Subramaniam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote:
Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child,
they
are
1:1 is really *very* important, for many reasons, not the least of which
is the following:
If a teacher cannot *rely* on a child having access to a computer for
teaching their class and/or homework, you are, in essence, asking them
to greatly *increase* their work-load, by having to prepare two
On 10.05.2008 00:13, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 09.05.2008, at 20:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bert,
if you try and say that the entire world is wrong in how it writes
software,
Actually, that's exactly what I think, and entire world includes
yours truly ;)
But this isn't
Marcus, this is indeed an interesting idea. However it has a significant
problem: wiring up more than 60 XOs onto a switch requires equipment,
time and space that OLPC cannot presently provide. Such a testbed though
is absolutely necessary not only as a proof of concept for your
suggestion,
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 12:10:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote:
To be more clear about this use case: I think that there should
Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
wiring up more than 60 XOs onto a switch requires equipment,
time and space that OLPC cannot presently provide. Such a testbed though
is absolutely necessary not only as a proof of concept for your
suggestion, but also for doing large scale mesh network
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 16:06 -0700, Javier Cardona wrote:
Hi,
We are happy to announce the first development release of the wireless
firmware + driver compatible with the kernel's mac80211 stack. This is
a first step towards supporting a soft Access Point (hostap) on the
xo, a project in
David,
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:05 PM, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excellent; thanks. Were you planning to make the API for this 'thin
firmware' compatible with the 'thin firmware' on other devices?
Other Marvell devices, yes, to whatever extent we can.
Should the folks working
Quoting Robert Withrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As you may know, but for the others also: Nortel is working to set up
a 100 node test network of this nature (each node wired through
switches with some test director automation) in a RF clean
environment in a Lab in Ottawa and Marcus is one of the
-If UID can hide in the metadata, which, if I understand, is preserved as
part of the file even on foreign (unix-only?) filesystems (wow!), I do not
see any compelling reason for it to be in the filename. Locally-stored files
could have their real filenames, with 2 random characters at a time
Each device maintains its own list of bound multicast addresses. Those lists
are merged and purged from duplicate addresses before being sent to firmware.
The maximum number of multicast addresses per virtual device has been cut in
half to ensure that the merged list can be accommodated by the
The past couple of weeks I have been working on developing several Network
testing scripts,
that make testing a more pleasant experience!
The scripts collect and display information about
the network configuration, telepathies and their status, the neighbor XOs
and the forwarding tables
For
b) The filtering software MUST be installed on each computer (not in a
proxy or any other intermediary device). Article 2 (El cumplimiento
de esta obligacion se hace efectivo mediante la instalación, en todas
las computadoras, de programas o software especiales de filtro y
bloqueo...)
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 04:06:03PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
[. . .]
It is sufficient if we clearly obey the law, and don't seek
to go beyond it.
Any lawyers around? go beyond implies interpret -- the only
safe
I don't know why Hal... that was not one of my suggestions to the law.
Been in the law is not a guarantee that is related to justice or related
to technical stuff.
Be totally sure that the kids will disable the filters by themselves...
(go kids! :-) )
but the problem is the same: we need
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