Touchscreen requirements

2010-06-07 Thread John Watlington
OLPC is looking to add multi-touch to our interface over the next year --- it is certainly necessary for a tablet. But "multi-touch" describes a huge range of parameters. Before taking a first pass at a spec. document, I'd like to stir up some discussion. Here are the parameters that I think sho

Re: [IAEP] Attention Activity Developers: SoaS Activity Inclusion Criteria

2010-06-07 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Hi all, > > at today's SoaS meeting [1], we agreed on applying the SoaS Activity > Inclusion Criteria [2] as outlined in the wiki to the activity > selection for the upcoming release of SoaS v.4. We'd like to encourage > you to work towar

Re: schematic for olpc

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 06/07/2010 07:47 AM, Richard Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Michael Shiloh > wrote: > >> I'm interested in exploring the use of the microphone jack for other >> input devices. >> >> Before I start plugging things in at random, I need to understand what >> the circuitry at the

Re: schematic for olpc

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 06/07/2010 06:46 AM, imm wrote: > > On 6 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Michael Shiloh wrote: > >> I'm interested in exploring the use of the microphone jack for other >> input devices. >> >> Before I start plugging things in at random, I need to understand what >> the circuitry at the input looks like.

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread John Gilmore
> 2) FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is dealing with the > issue upstream [1][2] in Fedora with the view of getting it fixed > upstream for F-14 or at the very least clarified. It was agreed in > F-12 that the Geode LX would be supported and that decision wasn't > discussed otherwise.

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Daniel Drake
On 7 June 2010 20:05, James Cameron wrote: > You are placing far more trust in a trivial rebuild than I would.  Once > Fedora ceases testing the actual instruction streams we will be using, > we will be providing the testing instead.  There are some interesting > classes of bugs that this would in

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Daniel Drake
On 7 June 2010 17:58, Peter Robinson wrote: >> In this case, the Fedora packages are now unusable, so rebuilding them >> would be needed. I'm not sure that this counts as progressing to >> "rolling our own distro" since the rebuild would be fully automatic, >> and that the end result would only ha

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:49 AM, John Gilmore wrote: > I looked at the kernel patch for emulating the missing instruction > (long NOP).  It looks like it works, and only needs minor patching-up > for security enforcement.  The big argument on the Linux kernel list > was about not having a little kl

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 10:07:07PM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > i agree with john -- we should definitely try the kernel emulation, > and try and gather some statistics on how often it fires, or other > easy metric. i'll bet the cost is low. Cool, please provide a kernel RPM for testing. ;-) -- Ja

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Paul Fox
john wrote: > I looked at the kernel patch for emulating the missing instruction > (long NOP). It looks like it works, and only needs minor patching-up > for security enforcement. The big argument on the Linux kernel list > was about not having a little kludge like this, which is likely to >

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 07:19:43PM -0300, Daniel Drake wrote: > In this case, the Fedora packages are now unusable, so rebuilding them > would be needed. I'm not sure that this counts as progressing to > "rolling our own distro" since the rebuild would be fully automatic, > and that the end result

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread John Gilmore
I looked at the kernel patch for emulating the missing instruction (long NOP). It looks like it works, and only needs minor patching-up for security enforcement. The big argument on the Linux kernel list was about not having a little kludge like this, which is likely to grow to emulate many other

Re: [Sugar-devel] Attention Activity Developers: SoaS Activity Inclusion Criteria

2010-06-07 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 11:54:45PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > at today's SoaS meeting [1], we agreed on applying the SoaS Activity > Inclusion Criteria [2] as outlined in the wiki [...] You've decided to apply as policy a draft document which describes itself as not reflecting policy. Sug

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On 7 June 2010 18:33, Peter Robinson wrote: >> 1) I thought we'd moved away from rolling our own distro due to the >> amount of time and engineering resources it required that OLPC no >> longer had. Has this changed? IE is there an internal t

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> 2) FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is dealing with the >> issue upstream [1][2] in Fedora with the view of getting it fixed >> upstream for F-14 or at the very least cl

Re: challenges of distro switching

2010-06-07 Thread Tiago Marques
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > A mountain of packages and their corresponding effects on the system, > ... > > > It also invalidates many processes that myself and others have been > > training in the field, such a

Re: AIR + Flash/AIR issues wikis

2010-06-07 Thread Tiago Marques
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:02 AM, John Gilmore wrote: > > There's a long standing hard bug of non-accelerated video on Linux > > (not just XO). That hurts hurts HURTS any Linux device. There is some > > backstory on that -- it's whether to use Xv or not, whether the video > > frames can be grabbed

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Tiago Marques
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > > 2) FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is dealing with the > > issue upstream [1][2] in Fedora with the view of getting it fixed > > upstream for F-14 or at the very least clarified. It was agreed in > > F-12 that the Geode LX wou

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > 2) FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is dealing with the > issue upstream [1][2] in Fedora with the view of getting it fixed > upstream for F-14 or at the very least clarified. Good to hear there's a good chance that F14 will sup

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Daniel Drake
On 7 June 2010 18:33, Peter Robinson wrote: > 1) I thought we'd moved away from rolling our own distro due to the > amount of time and engineering resources it required that OLPC no > longer had. Has this changed? IE is there an internal thing that has > changed that hasn't been announced external

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Jon Nettleton
> 2) FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) is dealing with the > issue upstream [1][2] in Fedora with the view of getting it fixed > upstream for F-14 or at the very least clarified. It was agreed in > F-12 that the Geode LX would be supported and that decision wasn't > discussed otherwise.

Attention Activity Developers: SoaS Activity Inclusion Criteria

2010-06-07 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Hi all, at today's SoaS meeting [1], we agreed on applying the SoaS Activity Inclusion Criteria [2] as outlined in the wiki to the activity selection for the upcoming release of SoaS v.4. We'd like to encourage you to work towards meeting these goals and to submit your proposals for activities and

Re: Alternative option for solving Fedora i686 vs geode problems

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > In another thread, we've been discussing the issue that Fedora 12 > changed base architecture from i586 to i686. The XO-1 processor (Geode > LX) is a i586. Fedora 12 seems to run OK (although I suspect there > will be a few broken packages), b

Re: schematic for olpc

2010-06-07 Thread Richard Smith
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I'm interested in exploring the use of the microphone jack for other > input devices. > > Before I start plugging things in at random, I need to understand what > the circuitry at the input looks like. > > I assume the schematics can be foun

Re: schematic for olpc

2010-06-07 Thread imm
On 6 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I'm interested in exploring the use of the microphone jack for other > input devices. > > Before I start plugging things in at random, I need to understand what > the circuitry at the input looks like. > > I assume the schematics can be found on th

Re: Flash,Gnash,AIR: which builds to test against?

2010-06-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> So what is the status of OS15 build that was posted June 15th in Steve > Parrish's directory? It works. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel