Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I regard "fully pythonic" python data as a subgraph of a > reference-counted object graph. So far as I know, Python has lots of > interesting ways to parse bytestreams into object graphs, but no great > way to read an obje

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I disagree because I think that the approach we have taken has made it >> much harder for others to help us. For a project like Sugar, this

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I'm convinced that protocol buffers and their supporting code > generators are cute, I'm also convinced that the real issue in the IPC > space is not "what marshalling format do you use?" but is, instead, > "what tool

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 8 - Use the same NAND space. *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. > 9 - Always boots up, especially when there is no space on NAND "Always" is a tricky on

Re: Definition of "Stable Enough To Release" for 8.2.0

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 8 - Use the same NAND space. > > > *Tough*. The F6-to-F9 upgrade means we're over OS footprint budget. > > Dennis Gilmore knows more about this. > > Not so: > > 703: 309M .jffs2 > 2202: 298M .jffs2 > > Credit d

Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The list of missing features needed to make Sugar a first-rate system is > really surprisingly short. Fantastic news! As Kim points out, we knew most (all?) those things already, and we are just extremely short on

Re: [Techteam] NAND full issue

2008-07-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > unionfs will involve a kernel change. Erik's got a ko to add to the initrd AIUI. > Have we considered sorting by date and removing from oldest to new until > the threshold is reached? Perhaps excluding starred items. Both

Re: [Sur] Imagen de Inicio. Boot

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Henry is asking about localised images for the XO, and specifically asking about a branded boot image ("splash" image). 2008/7/28 Henry Vélez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Les pregunto. > ¿como puedo poner una imagen personalizada en el inicio de la laptop? Que cambios quieres hacer? Solo el splash? Par

Packaging the activation server for the XS

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I am exploring what it will take to package the action lease server for the XS, and what usage scenarios we can support. So I had an initial look around act-server, which covers a much wider functionality than I had in mind. If we assume for a moment that the lease "management" is done

Upgrade server on the XS -

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking at the 'upgrade-server' project, considering packaging it for the XS. After a read of the sources, I see that it does extend the rsync protocol a bit, but the commands seem to not be needed for updates: server is an rsync cmd, but clean and install are not, but I don't expect

Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jerry Williams wrote: > | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. > | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it > | complains and won't let you install it. > > That's not r

Re: CIS solar charging-correct list?

2008-07-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Stan. SWAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings- in spite of numerous [EMAIL PROTECTED] categories I > can't find any concerned with solar charging! Can someone please > direct me, as => devel@lists.laptop.org seems essentially software. Post it right here. Hard

Re: Newer ds-backup-client RPMs for joyride...

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When releasing ds-backup revisions, please update documentation like > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ds-backup Looks like we've both updated the page :-) m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesti

Update-server - showing too many files?

2008-07-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, I'm looking some more at the update-server sw, and also looking at how rsync://updates.laptop.org behaves, and what olpc-update uses. Right now, the server publishes a top-level 'root' directory, which is what the client seems to be looking for, and also a number of other things that th

Re: Any cure for a washed out keyboard

2008-07-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first XO casualty at Nepal's pilot schools a few days ago. A second > grader washed his XO because it had gotten too dirty. > > Thankfully, the display, cpu and motherboard seem to be working fine. > The keyboard is non-f

Re: Your journal is empty

2008-07-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed > ctl-alt-erase in order to "restart" Sugar. Both times. when Sugar > came up, the Journal screen told me 'Your journal is empty'. > > If "unwanted empt

Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour

2008-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments welcome. Hopefully I'm not losing my mind just yet. Summary: - The script untars an XO image under fak

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour

2008-08-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB > from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random > points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments >

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-08-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
n Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First Michael: > > This feels very similar to an RFC. > > GS - Its not meant to be an RFC I think Michael was just suggesting a time-saving device: you defined "should", "must", etc, and there's a common standard for that kind

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour - fakeroot bug

2008-08-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > something very basic is not working well with Python - After a couple of days of rumination, it all became clear. Python is off the hook, instead, I am being hit with a fakeroot bug, characterised

Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list

2008-08-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am happy to take on making this communication happen but I really > think we need this list. FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that

Re: [Server-devel] questions: lease/activation, deploying .xo/.xol, register XOs

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Welcome to the list! On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Christian Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. How can I activate XOs with the XS? Where do I have to put the lease > files? I am working on that :-) hopefully the xs-0.4 release in a couple of weeks will have a lease server. Keep an eye on

[Server-devel] Wiki and trac updates

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Last week I updated the wiki quite a bit - at Greg Smith's request - though not as much as wanted to. Not enough time - but do check the intro blurb, rewoked roadmap, "get involved" links, etc. Bring your mouse over here... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/School_server and *click!* On the "what's happen

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have not included the case of multiple schools interacting together. > This is focused on the first step which covers scale, network config and > basic collaboration within a single school. To expand on this -- I had not see

Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my experience the activity developer community has lost many > participants already. Perhaps they weren't going to stay anyway, > beyond an initial ... > I personally found the best approach was to follow all communicat

Re: Faster - how do I bypass "look, ma - no hands" ??

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Mikus, just to clarify: you are playing with *alpha*, *proof-of-concept* software that Scott is spinning just to test the waters. I am not sure if you are kidding, but your email sounds pretty short-tempered. Open mind, a sense of humour and a "where can I help" attitude welcome when looking at

Re: [Server-devel] Ugly JABBER problem

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to use the same XO OS image for all my deployment schools, > w/ no configuration change specific to an individual school. > Unfortunately, there is one setting on the XO that has to be unique, the > jabber setting

Re: [Server-devel] XS server addons

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:38 PM, David Van Assche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 1 - I'll incorporate them into xs-config :-) >> 2 - don't have to hack the network startup scripts to remove the part >> that reloads rules >> 3 - you don't have to redo the in step 2 hack with every upgrade - as >> xs-c

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can we get a "show of hands" on who downloaded joyride 2230? 2230 running on 2 XOs here, and connecting to XS correctly. I am organising a Test-a-thon with a bunch of wellington-based OSS developers on Saturday morn over bru

Re: video bleeds through somewhat between sessions

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the video *application* typically does not know if the user is There are signals that the wm will send to indicate "you're the foreground window", "you've lost your focus", "you're minimized". There is probably a bug

Re: video bleeds through somewhat between sessions

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> There is probably a bug in the mplayer wrapper (are you using an >> mplayer 'activity' wrapper?) in that it's not getting

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour - fakeroot bug

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The real problem is that fakeroot on Fedora is not up to date - even > on F9. I will follow that up in a separate email :-) > > So if you are using fakeroot on a Fedora machine, you have a nasty >

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, we use the olpc-3 dist tags for our Fedora stuff so that seems > appropriate. It doesn't really matter though. You could leave it blank. > Just make sure you clearly indicate which joyride version you are using > by add

Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
Fedoristas in the crowd, I am trying to find a tool that allows me to - automount usb devices when they are plugged in (via udev/hal) - would be nice to support removable devices - trigger an associated script on mount - all on a headless server! There is no udev/hal automounter that works o

Re: [Server-devel] Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't know about Fedoristas, but on Debian and derivatives this is what usbmount is a slightly longer and nicer version of that, which will - mount various partitions if various partitions are available - run scripts fro

Using flock in bash blocks

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Advanced bash/shell scripting question - I cannot seem to do the correct incantation with /usr/bin/flock to make it work in a bash block. Can any Master of the Bash give me a hint? In other words, I am trying to put into to use the example in man flock, where it says:'second form is convenient ins

Re: Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Option two - help me package & tweak usbmount for F7 and F9. The > codebase is *tiny*, we can carry it. ... > I'll probably start chipping away at #2 tomorrow... FWIW, I've imported the hist

Re: Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I've imported the history into git, made some minor changes and > it installs and works on F7. > > git > git://dev.laptop.org/users/martin/usbmount.git > > gitweb > http:

Re: Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you going to submit it for review in Fedora? I don't think so - as I mentioned before, upstream is mostly dead, so I doubt it'll be accepted. Trivial as it is, I am happy to support it for as long as we have a use for

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing Preparing for a "smoketest" event I'm organising tomorrow, I am doing a copy-nand install on 5 XOs I have here, and want to have a consistent set of activities. What activitie

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is there a better / handier way? On first boot, it found my local School Server and up a big "Software Update" window popped, and said "do you want to install all these activities". Col

Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270

2008-08-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
Big thanks to Brenda, Tim, Leonie, Callum, Tabitha & Stephen! Overall score - 2 confirmed bugs, 11 new bugs filed, several curious families educated on OLPC arcana. HW: 4 MP, 1 B4 SW: All on Joyride-2270 + default activities Network: all in Simple Mesh over channel 1 Other: several USB-key type d

Re: Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270

2008-08-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are actually still going through a few more tests. Switched from mesh to a standard 802.11g NAT'ted network (via a Macbook sharing its Internet) and followed up with network tests. - Tested ogg download

Re: Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:08:53PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> >> - Filling up on the disk -- log of one test using the journal, >> copying large files from usb drives. XO behaves mostly

Re: Wellington smoketest notes - joyride-2270

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good feedback. Thanks. Overall the system was *very* usable and quite satisfactory to play with, until the point where the presence service lost the plot. We did a complete poweroff of all the machines involved, and that

Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Kevin Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > want to update them. I tell it to install/upgrade them all. It says > "Downloading" but the progress bar never progresses, and it appears to > be doing a whole lot of nothing. FWIW, it worked for me. One of the activity dow

Re: [Server-devel] Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't know about Fedoristas, but on Debian and derivatives this is what > I do for a backup disk that is identified by UUID and then backed up to > ... all when plugged in ... beep ... wait for rsync ... beep beep ... > pull

Re: [Server-devel] Need help: mounting usb devices on headless machines

2008-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some earlier versions of Fedora including Fedora 7 had it disabled in the > kernel level because of the number of complaints and bug reports we got. I > am not sure there is a easy way to enable that again in those kernels

A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
The XS now has a few new packages that allow it to auto-install certain types of content (XO installation builds, for starters) from USB keys. This means that I have to address validating that such content comes from a trusted source. So I am setting up a simple and straightforward authentication

Re: A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * What use cases are you trying to support? Insert a usb stick with content that is OK'd by the regional NOC (network operations centre) for execution/installation on the XS. > * What threats obstruct supporting those

Activity updater - work with XS?

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, Now that we have olpc-update able to use a local XS, I'm wondering whether we can get activities on the local server too. The old activity-update doesn't exist any more (at least at git://dev.laptop.org/users/cscott/activity-update ), so my guess is that the code has been absorved into

olpc-update and split-horizon dns

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, If the lease server proper is not in use (for XOs with very long leases), olpc-update will never use the local school server. Talking to Wad earlier today, he mentioned that at one stage using a split horizon DNS that masks updates.laptop.org was part of the plan. It's trivial for me to

Re: A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're more interested 'signed content lives in archives', then > JAR-signing might be for you! JARs look good but there don't seem to be decent cli tools to deal with them (can fastjar sign and check sigs in packages?)

Re: XS inconvenientes

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/8/12 Henry Vélez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Estoy guiándome por las indicaciones del Wiki en : > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Configuration_Management y estoy utilizando la > versión 163. Necesitamos mas datos :-) Que comandos - exactamente - le estas dando al XS? > Pero no he podido ver desde l

Re: A simple signed bundle/directory trust scheme for the XS

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to go the route of 'signed content lives in directories', > then please examine the programs in olpc-contents >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpc-contents > and let us know in what way they can be improved befor

Package in ~/public_rpms seems to be ignored - unclear why...

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
A couple of weeks ago Scott dropped the srpm + rpm set of ds-backup in his ~/public_rpm to get it into Joyride. However, the build script is picking them up, and then dropping them w/o explanation (that I can find in the logs). Joyride has ds-backup-client-0.6-1 when ds-backup-client-0.7-1 is avai

Re: [Sur] Fwd: XS inconvenientes

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/8/14 Henry Vélez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Estoy utilizando un Ap Zoom, conectado vía adaptador de red al > servidor, el cual es visto por las XO, pero no obtengo respuesta sel > server Ok. - El AP Zoom, lo has configurado como AP convencional? (Espero que si!) - Como conectas el AP y el

Re: Package in ~/public_rpms seems to be ignored - unclear why...

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hints? Where to look next? > did it go from arch specific to noarch? if so thats the problem. remove > completely the arch specifc ones. its a old bug in yum fixed quite awhile ago > now. Thanks for the hint - just ch

Re: Package in ~/public_rpms seems to be ignored - unclear why...

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > try putting rpms there :) Ugh! that's ugly! Can someone with root access nuke those? > file /home/cscott/public_rpms/joyride/ds-backup* > /home/cscott/public_rpms/joyride/ds-backup-0.7-1.olpc3.src.rpm: HTML > d

Re: Package in ~/public_rpms seems to be ignored - unclear why...

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Dennis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> try putting rpms there :) > > Ugh! that's ugly! Can someone with root access nuke those? > >> file /

Re: Project Name: olpc-bundler has been set up

2008-08-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/8/14 Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There isn't an api for activity authors; however /home/olpc/Library (like > /home/olpc/Activities) and subdirs are world-readable, so there probably > should be. In other words, `ls ~/Library` and `ls ~/Library/*/library/library.info` is your first API

Re: Activity updater - work with XS?

2008-08-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few easy questions > - How does it read the master list of available activities? > - Does it use the URL in the activity metadata as per > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_updater#Application_upda

Wellington Friends in testing vs joyride-2301

2008-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
The test efforts were divided in 2 tracks: - generating a lot of network traffic in an attempt to repro the netwokr-related lockups - run through parts of the smoketest revisiting bugs found last week We didn't have time to explore other areas of the smoketest as we found plenty to keep us busy

Re: Breaks yum also? (Was: Missing critical dependency, Koji)

2008-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:31 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a quick double check – I take it that all yum attempted installs > will also be failing at the moment? Having re-flashed my XO last night > I was trying to pull in some additional system monitoring tools for > tests. Y

Re: ejabberd XS package questions

2008-08-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Guillaume Desmottes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm working on the ejabberd package for the XS. We'd like to provide an > updated package based on ejabberd 2.0.1 which "just work" once is > installed. The goal is of course to simplify as much as possible the > dep

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a "Trash/Recycle bin" system

2008-08-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Eduardo Heleno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> But my point was that, at the moment, you can choose to "Erase" an item, and >> it's gone forever. I expect that many kids will do this, and will at some >> point >> regret erasi

Re: Problems switching back from joyride-2290 to Update.1-708 (rainbow). Help wanted.

2008-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Ton van Overbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For my testing for trac #7788 I want to switch from Update.1 to > joyride-2298 and vice versa > (using alternate boot). > After switching back from joyride-2298 to Update.1 most activities do > not start because > their

Re: ejabberd XS package questions

2008-08-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Guillaume Desmottes > After lot of tests, I finally found the problem. It was a known but > unfixed test in the Fedora package. > I fixed it in this commit: > http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/cassidy/ejabberd-rpm;a=commitdiff;h=3ff84e7a25c2ca98d338bac3cc6d9d0996f3

Re: Build 754 (8.2)

2008-08-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've made build 754 on the stable 8.2 stream, resynchronized to > joyride-2313. (See http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/8.2-joyride.html) I've just uploaded an update to ds-backup that should get into 'stable'. It contains a t

Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708)

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ton van Overbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noticed the following: > After booting with all the joyride activities installed and then running top > on vt2 (no activities running, only journal) joyride-2302 shows 44268k free. > Booting into 708 with the same set of

Workaround for the sound lockup?

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
Today's testing for the Welly team has been blocked in many cases by the sound lockups. I tried to hardlink /dev/audio to /dev/null but the sound infrastructure didn't fall for it :-/ Is there a cheap / simple way to get this out of the way? Today is gone - but it can help testers until the gstrea

Re: Workaround for the sound lockup?

2008-08-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's fixed in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e14. Thanks for the hint! Shame that I didn't know earlier... m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - d

Re: Which stream to test for 8.2 or have we officially branched now?

2008-08-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:04 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael and I have been working on creating an acceptable 8.2 test > candidate. There have been 8.2-753, 8.2-754, 8.2-755, and 8.2-756 > builds, but none of them have (so far) made it through initial QA here > at 1cc.

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/8/24 George Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Two factors tip the balance between bloat and functionality in favor of > including CIFS file system in the kernel. First, for any network FS to actually be usable we would need to do significant work on the UI. Including the smb client code is a trivia

XS-0.4 Released -

2008-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
It is a pleasure to announce that XS-0.4 is out. The release notes, containing important notes about installation an upgrades are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Release_Notes#XS-0.4 . Download the ISO http://xs-dev.laptop.org/xs/OLPC_XS_0_4.iso or update via yum. This release interoperates wit

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:37 PM, George Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been wanting to create an Activity that would add value and bridge the > MS-linux gap. I discovered that pyNeighborhood is open sourced, written in > python, uses gtk, runs on the XO, discovers a diverse MS network, an

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Joel Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm debating with myself whether to send this, because I don't want > to make people mad, with the result of closed minds, but sometimes > you have to be politically incorrect: I think this will be resolved by whomever implem

Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Discussing the activity installer/updater control panel and olpc-update (a few days before) one design assumption from the XO team was very strong: that network clients on the XO could just ignore the XS and attempt direct connections to the desired host and service. If the XS is there, the logic g

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote: > >> - Do HTTP clients using a proxy do not perform DNS lookups? My >> understanding is that they do not, but I am not 100% certain of >> whether this is spe

Re: CIFS will be strategic in some settings, but not included in kernel

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 1 - work for the deployments - this is the most important thing! >> 2 - work for G1G1 users too - they are the donors and enthusiasts! >> 3 - work for the developers - otherwise it won't get attention and bugfixes >> 4 -

Re: increased transient traffic in #olpc-ayuda

2008-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > considering implementing > a helpbot there to explain ways to seek help Good idea! Do point them to a mailing list - IRC is an incredibly bad way to get support. You get no answers, or answers from whomever is there at the

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer a stronger assumption: network services are all based on cachable > HTTP. Implementations of cacheable HTTP - both on the server and client - are *caching*, not replacing. We want to do partial replacement/su

Re: [Server-devel] resolv.conf

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
That sounds like network_config crashed on you. network_config is responsible for creating /etc/resolv.conf.in and then domain_config will do the rest. On xs-0.4, we call domain_config at install time (and it defaults to random.xs.l.o). > The answer is that /etc/resolv.conf should probably point t

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Martin Langhoff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> HTTPS has many problems. None of the basic XO protocols use HTTPS. >> >> Will we never care fo

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a nice rhetorical trick. And wrong. No tricks with me. It is a development strategy I have been using for years to deliver working code for users. > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Network_principles#Disconnected_op

Re: Network transparent XS services - limitations and alternatives

2008-08-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a) Don't lie about DNS entries when you are connected. > b) When you are disconnected, use a DNS server which allows you to map > names to short lifetime addresses, then serve resources for those > addresses. > c) Don't

Early activation with an AP instead of AA

2008-08-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Douglas is preparing an rpm with all the bits needed to run an activation server -- for the initial at-boot- activation only scenario -- on the XS. This is meant to work with an AA (active antenna), but looking at the python code in the initrd, I wonder whether an AP or a machine with a wlan inter

olpc-update and staccatto connections

2008-08-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Scott, would it be possible to change olpc-update to use a single connection rather than connecting for each directory? Reasons for this - They lead to bad performance over high-latency links - like XOs in NZ, connecting over satellite or over a noisy RF. - On the XS, we are running rsync b

Write Collaboration - what is known to work / what is not?

2008-08-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
We've had a few attempts to share Write ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Write ) with the Wellington test crowd, and there are a number of cases that don't seem to work well, but I'm not sure what the state of things is, and what is expected to work. The Wiki page doesn't say much either on what aspects

Re: AC not present?

2008-09-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
n Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | AC not present Plug it to power to complete the firmware upgrade step... m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working

Using bridges and interrupt load

2008-09-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
In the XS networking infrastructure we sometimes setup a bridge with an IP address and netblock (as you would with an interface) and then if-and-when the HW interface comes up, we assign the interface to the bridge. This is a technique used quite a bit on projects like OpenWRT where the main purpo

Re: How did the testing go on 8.2-757?

2008-09-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How did the testing go on 8.2-757? In Wellington last Saturday it went pretty well. There are bugs - but it's down to the hard-to-repro-and-document bugs :-/ > Is this release more "solid and reliable" than 70x? Wearing my

Re: How did the testing go on 8.2-757?

2008-09-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your feedback. As of today, please use 759, which was just > published. (It hasn't been fully smoke tested yet so I'm not ready to > send it out to the wide world, but I'm pretty sure it's going to pass.) Good h

Wellington testers + Activities vs 8.2-759

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
As 8.2 is stabilising, and we read from Morgan's survey that not all activity authors are testing on 8.2, it seemed an interesting track to play with as many possible activities as we could on 8.2 . So we did :-) Adopt an activity today was the motto. Overall 8.2 is looking fairly good. Networkin

Re: Wellington testers + Activities vs 8.2-759

2008-09-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Associating to an AP using WPA is extremely unreliable. Some >> laptops do, some after a few tries, some never. Likely to be the >> timing bug that has been discussed before. > > There is another bug somewhere in the network

Re: Wellington testers + Activities vs 8.2-759

2008-09-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:39 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for testing! No problem, was good fun too! >> Implode-4 >> - works well an 3 XOs tried! >> - The first ("easy"?) puzzle is not one you can use so it's fairly >> confusing. >> - Loading a large puzzle is also quite slow. (Is it

Re: [Server-devel] Work in progress - F9 install ISO

2008-09-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Douglas Bagnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In an unrelated goose chase, I removed sqlalchemy from idmgr today. > Not tested yet though. A sqlachemy-free idmgr would be a welcome fix for the F9 port... once it's tested! :-) cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMA

[Server-devel] Notes on replacing bridging with bonding

2008-09-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
Read http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Bonding in depth - excellent docs! - and performed some tests on one of my XS sample machines, replacing br0 with bond0. It works and I will attempt the switchover. We'll need quite a bit of testing to feel confident with this though... This is roughly w

Re: [Server-devel] xen and XS.... development

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Tom Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently learned that xen was hobbled on a fedora9 host with older > processors. Yes, I've seen all that. It's the Xen upstream not supporting current kernels. I'm mainly using Qemu a bit (assigning usb devices is useful)

Does anyone care about beecrypt on the XS?

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On xs-0.4 and earlier we have beecrypt. On the F9 builds yum gets its panties in a knot over beecrypt while building the Pungi or revisor imgs. I can't understand it, help is not forthcoming, and I have, hmmm, other priorities in mind. - Do you use beecrypt or plan to use it for something? - On

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