Freezing features this week.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
ear world, We're FREEZING OUR FEATURE-SET THIS WEEK, which means that features targeted at the 8.2.0 release should be IN A JOYRIDE BUILD BY THIS SUNDAY, JULY 6TH. If the outlines of your feature aren't a) in Joyride by the end of the week, [1] b) documented in a release contract in [2]

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:05:46AM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > 3. Why do we care whether there's a devkey? We would actually be better > > off checking that all the RPMs we're installing are owned by uid 0, > > this being the exact privilege that we're attempting to safeguard. > > becau

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 04:58:33PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > + yum -yt --nogpgcheck install $pkgs 1. As an earlier commenter hinted, you want localinstall because otherwise yum may try to talk to the network in order to download its header cache and to look for ne

Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
As discussed last week, we are meeting publicly from 2 - 4PM EDT (1600-1800 UTC), tomorrow, Tuesday July 1, to discuss the release plan for 8.2.0. The meeting will be held in the "Boardroom" at 1CC, on Line #2 (from the United States: 866-213-2185 access code: 1671650#), and on irc.freenode.org in

Re: [Server-devel] [PATCH] postprocess.py gets _actually_ fleshed out- and incrontab tweaks

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 03:11:48PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +datestamp = subprocess.Popen(['date', '-u', '+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M'],stdout=PIPE > + ).communicate()[0] > +# comes with newline - rstrip() will chomp it > +datestamp = datestamp.rstrip() A common Python eq

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:19:09PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Care to explain the existence and functioning of olpc-configure? > > olpc-configure exists because /home/olpc is not managed by

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:36AM -0400, Edgar Ceballos wrote: > Michael: > > The instructions on the Wiki are not very clear. I want to be able to > accomplish two things with the 230 laptops for the Marina Orth school: > > 1- Upgrade image from 623 to 703 > > 2- Install all the ext

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
Bryan, Thanks very much for the detailed feedback. Here are my comments: > 1) Be able to remove activities to free up space, including activities > that come pre-installed. Noted. Can you or Bernie supply a patch which accomplishes the desired behavior? If someone can come up with a halfway dec

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 01:09:58PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Yes, exactly: olpc-update has been designed so that the need for those > scripts is *zero*. You get a clean install every time, guaranteed. Care to explain the existence and functioning of olpc-configure? Michael ___

Re: [SURVEY] builders, how do you build? what do you build?

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:23:44PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: > 0) Who are you and who do you directly work for? Michael Stone, and Kim Quirk, respectively. > 1) What do you build? Typically, rainbow, olpc-utils, puritan, and full OS builds. Occasionally, other things like sugar, X, xul

Translation Technology

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Yesterday, Sayamindu, Jim, Chris, Eben, Dennis, and I met to discuss what technology we could provide to improve the experience of producing and consuming translations and other localization data on the XO. We sought to address three questions: 1) How can we make "some" (then "every") string tra

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:50:34PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: > Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and > more. Furthermore they are extensively tested and well documented. Why > have we locally manufactured and promoted the square wheels of > olpc-update and copy-n

Re: Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:24:22PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Hello, > > Tomeu has a good question: > > "Can we close a ticket once we have verified it's fixed in joyride and > we don't have yet stable builds for 8.2.0?" No, because fixing the issue in joyride does fix the issue for ou

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
> Oh obviously you also need to change back /etc/X11/prefdm to run gdm. It wouldn't hurt us much to bias prefdm so that it runs gdm if it exists and our stuff otherwise. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listi

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would > > land in via the Milestone field. > > I

Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, In yesterday's software status meeting, we formulated some conventions for using Trac for the next few months. They are: 1. The release team - presently including me, Greg Smith, and Kim Quirk will occasionally tag a ticket as 'blocks:8.2.0' to indicate that it blocks the 8.2.0

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Edgar, According to the release notes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_8.1.0_Software_Release_Notes official-703 is a reference OS release which contains no activities. Luis needs to follow the instructions in that page to install activities or he needs to install a derivative build such as

Re: Activity home dirs (was Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity)

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 08:53:47AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > Am 26.06.2008 um 01:22 schrieb John Gilmore: > > >> The activity start script should configure Opera to put its > >> configuration file in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data instead of > >> $HOME/.opera. Also it should set umask to 0002

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: > I asked Dennis about branching salut, and he recommended we try keep > everything in F-9 if possible. Is it feasible to put the rainbow > specific patches in such that they are enabled with a runtime option, > if built with --enable-

Software Status Meeting Today (Wednesday) @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Stone
Dear friends, Let's welcome Scott home from his vacation by describing all the easy bugs that we squashed in his absence and all the really nasty bugs that we couldn't solve without him. Michael P.S. - We're going to start regular release status meetings in addition to the Wednesday "development

Rebuilt Rainbow & olpc-utils

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Dennis & devel, I rebuilt rainbow & olpc-utils. olpc-utils underwent a relatively exciting merge wherein I combined patches from several contributors. I've diffed the resulting RPM against olpc-utils-0.73.2 and I think it will work, but I haven't tested it yet. Also, I built rainbow in F-9

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
We have an activity that wants superuser privilege in order to poke kernel memory. The real questions we should be attempting to address here include: * Who is granting privilege to this activity? * How are they doing so? * How should we record the decision? - My tentative answer is that

Re: New joyride build 2072

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
> -rainbow 0.7.13-1.olpc2 > +rainbow 0.7.5.11.20080104git6c25f7-1.olpc2 What's with the major rainbow regression? Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

OLPC Packaging Wishlist

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
Dear OLPC & Fedora folk: In response to conversation at Fudcon, I've thrown up OLPC's packaging wishlist at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist OLPC folks: please check to make sure that your work is listed. Also, please assist Fedora volunteers in any way

Re: Strange 755 mode on .sugar/default/owner.key

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 04:32:24PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Actually - can anyone confirm that their owner.key > (~/.sugar/default/owner.key) is mode 600 or 400? As per my earlier > email (below), I keep finding boxes with the wrong filemode... Best examine olpc-configure; it regularly medd

Re: olpc-dm, olpc-utils, olpc-session, rainbow etc

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:35:02PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > there is now a sugar desktop profile in Debian Edu, it doesnt really work > yet, > but its there :) > > (Debian Edu modifies the debian installer so that you can choose between 4 > (or > 6, in expert mode) profiles whic

Re: [Techteam] Adding a "Next release" milestone in trac

2008-06-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 03:38:25AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Make sense. Wonder why Michael has been using the rel- prefix? I attached the 'rel-' prefix because I think it very likely that we're going to invent o

Re: Making updating easier

2008-06-22 Thread Michael Stone
> I've been thikning about update issues a bit and was wondering > if we have plans/processes in place to handle maintaince of multiple > releases? My perception of our "basic purpose" is that we're in the business of creating reference OSes which can be modified "with OLPC support" at fixed poi

Re: [Techteam] Adding a "Next release" milestone in trac

2008-06-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:54:44PM -0400, Kim Quirk wrote: > Can we use a combination of milestones and tagging? Seems like a fine idea to me. > Maybe the milestone represents the desired location of the feature, > and the tags represent current expectations as to whether it can make > one relea

Re: [Techteam] Adding a "Next release" milestone in trac

2008-06-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:35:33PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I began wishing that I could meaningfully differentiate between the > > "Future release" and non-existent "Next release" components. Because we are

Clarification: Software Status Meeting is TODAY @ usual time. (sorry for the earlier mistake)

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Stone
Apologies for the confusion. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 07:45:22AM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > Do you mean today? Yes, apologies. I'm on autopilot. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Stone
Hey folks, My sincere apologies for the short notice. If you're around, please join us at the usual time and place: #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for our software status update. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.lap

A few comments on recent work on Gadget.

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Daf & Guillaume, I read through Guillaume's 'activity' branch a few days ago and recorded several comments which I'd like to forward to you. I hope they help. * Thanks for the nice documentation linked to from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Gadget I really appreciate the effor

A (very) brief tour of the OLPC 802.11s device class in NM r3246

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Stone
Sjoerd and I started dissecting our NM-0.6 divergence so that we can begin porting that necessary pieces of that divergence to NM-0.7. Several highlights from our reading of two important files follow. NM-specific terminology is /emphasized/. nm-device-802-11-mesh-olpc.c [1] contains: * A nice

Re: Text To Speech in Read Etexts improved again

2008-06-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:00:58AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: > I don't plan on doing much more with this until I can get > speech-dispatcher installed and working on my XO. Hemant - how would you describe your progress on packaging speech-dispatcher? I've seen lots of traffic on https://bu

Re: Koji Tags for 8.2.0

2008-06-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 08:06:04AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I believe that you are correct that the URLs in /etc/yum.repos.d/olpc* are incorrect for our F-9 work. Dennis? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listin

Koji Tags for 8.2.0

2008-06-12 Thread Michael Stone
Marco, Dennis, and I talked this afternoon and evening about how to arrange our Koji tags for the 8.2.0 release. Assuming no serious objections are raised by either you or the Fedora infrastructure and release-engineering teams, we will take the OLPC-3 [1] CVS branch, freeze the dist-olpc3 tag, and

Release Status Report - 8.2.0

2008-06-12 Thread Michael Stone
I promised regular status reports on our release work and I've been lax in writing them. Here are my current thoughts on the content of and risks associated with our second ("August") 2008 release, 8.2.0. These assesments are heavily based on current rates of improvement and available labor. (I'm s

NM 0.7 D-Bus API Mini-Tutorial

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Stone
I got curious about how NM-0.7 works so I installed it on olpc3-17 by: sed -i -e '6s/enabled=0/enabled=1/' /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo iwconfig eth0 mode managed essid 'media lab 802.11' killall dhclient dhclient eth0 yum -yt --nogpgcheck update NetworkManager /etc/init.d/NetworkMana

Re: Need advice to upgrade

2008-06-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 02:36:11PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 11.06.2008, at 14:05, Jim Gettys wrote: > > > My memory is that you may have one of the two known access point types > > with which we have problems, due to the chip/firmware used in that > > access point (note the pre-N design

Draft support for a customizations directory.

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
--- olpc-session |9 +++-- 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/olpc-session b/olpc-session index 2e3a4b7..280f4be 100755 --- a/olpc-session +++ b/olpc-session @@ -23,14 +23,19 @@ LANG="en_US.UTF-8" XKB_LAYOUT="us" # We need to stop loading of certain GTK Input

Questions about Customization Dirs

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
A while ago, Walter mentioned that we'd like to be able to customize things like keyboard and internationalization settings. These settings are loaded by a program called 'olpc-session' maintained in the olpc-utils package. Unfortunately, when I set out to implement support for this feature, I di

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
Note the return to original time: 2:00 PM EST, 6:00 PM UTC. Let's chat about G1G1 and our goals for August. Please reply with any other topics that are on your mind. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo

Re: cerebro in sugar (was Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed)

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:06:17AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I still don't understand what's in the path to integrate cerebro into > > sugar. You proposed to change the API and of course you were asked to > > j

ANN: 8.1.1 Candidate Build - candidate-708

2008-06-09 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, I'm pleased to announce that our first signed release candidate for the 8.1.1 bugfix release is now available for downloading and updating. Please help test it by 1. Procuring activities if you need them. See the release notes for details. and ONE OF 2a. olpc-update -f candid

Re: journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 04:18:10PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > I would argue otherwise. Since Sugar has no control over the > robustness of the network, having some way of sharing at a basic level > from the Journal is seemingly a high priority. My feeling is that since Sugar has no control ove

Re: journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-09 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, > have heard occasional requests to implement the sending and sharing of > journal entries. It's a desirable feature but, from my perspective, it's much lower in immediate priority than work which brings the sugar UI revision into a releasable condition and which "polish" the existing work

Trac Triage

2008-06-09 Thread Michael Stone
Jim pointed out that he shouldn't be owning the default trac component so we made a new one called 'not assigned' to contain bugs which have never been assigned to a component. Bugs which require that a new component be created can be assigned to the 'new component' component or can be left 'not as

Re: New, more realistic multi-hop network testbed

2008-06-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 09:55:20AM +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: > Latest Salut release has a new Avahi abstraction layer (see #6658). > It's still unclear if Cerebro should be integrated as an Salut backend > or in its own connection manager though. What lack of clarity do you observe? Fro

Test and Build Team Signoffs for update.1-708

2008-06-06 Thread Michael Stone
I'm ready to make 708 into a release candidate for our 8.1.1 bug-fix release. If you're willing, could you please complete the relevant sections of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SW-ECO_5_Checklist so that we may sign 708 and publish it for broader testing? Thanks, Michael __

Re: OLPC: Open Organized Transparent

2008-06-06 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 05:14:34PM -0400, Garrett Goebel wrote: > IcedTea requires >=512 MB RAM to compile. I don't see a minimum > memory requirement for using it. > > So yes, if you can find a compilation environment for me for it... I'd > like to create an rpm which I could install on a current

Re: mkinitrd (2 questions)

2008-06-06 Thread Michael Stone
I believe that Pilgrim removes /sbin/mkinitrd. Ramdisks contain several kernel modules in a /lib hierarchy. When the kernel name changes, the /lib inside the ramdisk needs to be updated. You can do this manually with cpio, find, gzip/zcat, and with the kernel modules installed by the kernel RPM.

Update.1 Clarifications and Resulting Opportunities

2008-06-05 Thread Michael Stone
This email is intended to clarify a few facts about Update.1 for the record so that I can rest more peacefully at night and so that we, collectively, can move on to new business: 1. The Update.1 build is official-703, available from http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/official/703/ We st

Re: Help packaging some OLPC network status scripts?

2008-06-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 at 14:28:53 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > I think that it should be better to do a proper release first. Done. License info, README, and tarball-creation Makefile added. See the stub homepage at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpc-netutils for the gory details. Thanks again, Mi

Re: Trac: reports and queries and schema... oh my!

2008-06-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 04:16:50PM -0400, Garrett Goebel wrote: > If I wanted to create a report, who should I contact? One of the Trac > admins? Who are the Trac admins? Where is an up-to-date list of Trac > admins kept? JG, Noah, me, and Scott can do it for you, among others. > Is the underlyi

Re: OLPC: Open Organized Transparent

2008-06-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:50:30PM -0400, Garrett Goebel wrote: > > A related issue is when people loudly insist that "OLPC" solve their > > personal problem *right now*. Again, we have tens of thousands of > > machines in the field now, and thousands more every day. You > > personally may care a

Re: Cannot see activities in joyride-2005

2008-06-04 Thread Michael Stone
Dov, First, please file a ticket that sugar fails to start up if /home/olpc is empty/missing. Please CC at least mstone and marco on it. Next, put your /home back in place and try to start Sugar. If you're successful, then go to the list view and click some of the stars so that they become filled

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
Shipping G1G1 machines with NAND reflash locks enabled makes little sense to me. What good is protection against malicious reflash when any attacker who can perform a reflash has physical access to the device and has password-free root access in default configurations? Instead, the justification t

Re: Project Hosting Application: olpc-netscripts

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 07:54:13PM -0700, Ixo X oxI wrote: > Great idea! > > I have some scripts, thoughts, and code I might be interested with > contributing myself. Then please show off your patches! > Is there a start to a list of tools, what they do, and maybe even a > 'request/want' list ?

Help packaging some OLPC network status scripts?

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
able to include in OLPC's August software release. Could anyone here spare a few hours to make appropriate Fedora packages for this collection of scripts? Thanks very much, Michael Stone P.S. - For people in the OLPC community who are not already familiar with Fedora and the packaging proce

Project Hosting Application: olpc-netscripts

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
1. Project name : olpc-netutils 2. Existing website, if any : None 3. One-line description : OLPC-specific user-land network software. 4. Longer description : Yani's collection of network status displays. 5. URLs of similar projects : Unknown. 6. Committer list Please

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1600 EDT, 2000 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
Martin Langhoff, our esteemed school-server architect asked us if we could wake him up at 6:00 AM (in NZ) instead of 4:00 (AM). Can we oblige? Please note the new times: 4:00 PM EST, 2000 UTC. I expect that we'll spend the bulk of our time discussing work toward 8.2.0, a.k.a. the August Releas

Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: > In recent builds, any process running as user OLPC can execute code as > uid 0 via the setuid-0 user-olpc-executable /usr/bin/sudo. A small correction:

Re: Bitfrost and dual-boot

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:58:07PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: > > if you run everything as user olpc and user olpc can become root without a > > password, getting olpc is as good as getting root. > > An arbitrary process running as user olpc should not be able to get root. My > impression i

Re: wiki page updates

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 04:35:47PM -0400, Bill Mccormick wrote: > I'm not completely sure of the etiquette here. Where have you looked for signs of etiquette? (i.e. where can we put hints that you would have found?) > I'd like to update... anyone have a problem with this? Be bold! If there's a

Re: Release process

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 02:54:24PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My experience over the last few months has been that a centralized > > unstable build stream is worth less than it costs

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 03:02:17PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Relying on email and irc for this seems fragile to me. If a trac query > would reveal the packages which are staged for inclusion in a certain > release, it would be pretty much impossible that they go unnoticed. > > Marco Th

Re: Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:15:07AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi, > > the sugar team built a new rpm to be included in the 8.1.1 release, see: > > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-May/005935.html > > Should I enter a ticket or something? Don't bother; this reminder email is fine -

Re: Release process

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:44:07AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Claims > > -- > > > > I. There is no excuse for breaking centralized build streams that > > others de

Re: Release process

2008-05-27 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, Here's what I took away from the comments I received concerning my transcript of my conversation with Marco and a few thoughts in response. You should check my summary to see if I misunderstood you. Regards, Michael Summary --- Dennis: To date, to our detriment, we have done de

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-05-27 Thread Michael Stone
Let's talk tomorrow about #7014, build 706 (which everyone ought to test; olpc-update -f update.1-706), and what we should take away from the fact that Blake and Ricardo were the only people who contributed patches/packages for inclusion in our bugfix release. Please reply to this mail with any ot

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:04:25PM -0400, Denver Gingerich wrote: > Are these documented somewhere? http://rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/s1-rpmrc-file-rpmrc-file-entries.html (Also occasionally useful: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/drafts/rpm-guide-en/ch-creating-rpms.html) Note: I'm given t

Re: No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
> >> Since I don't have root, the last command failed to build an RPM (it > >> wants to put it in /usr/share/redhat/RPMS) RPM is happy to build things in user-specified locations. You may be particularly interested in the suite of rpmbuild path-setting options including: --define "_topdir=/foo

A Conversation with Marco

2008-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
Marco and I (as well as Dennis and Bernie) had some long chats at the beginning of this week about how to work together to pull of the next release. At Marco's request, I've posted one important chunk of this conversation at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Releases_2 Please

Re: Creating a non-python activity

2008-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:50:17AM +0530, shivaprasad javali wrote: > Hi. > > The app that i am trying to run must be run as super user for it to run > properly. So i tried using su -c app_name in the shell script described in > the link http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1555.0 > >

Re: olpc fedora build source code

2008-05-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 02:59:59PM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > it's not clear (to me) from the Build_system page linked above > where the final contents of a give release is determined. The determination is usually made by yum as it is run from pilgrim on either xs-dev.laptop.org or pilgrim.laptop.

Re: New update.1 build 704

2008-05-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:31:05PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > The changelog for olpc-utils is missing. Is it a bug in > the script? Seems likely to me since Koji printed the appropriate changelog information after it built the RPM. > Also, a version change from 0.68 to 0.73 seems a little

Re: c preprocessor.

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:57:40PM +1200, Neil Graham wrote: > I noticed today that my xo (newly 703) has cpp which while modest in size > seems to launch /usr/libexec/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/4.1.2/cc1 which weighs in > at 5.1Meg rpm -q --whatrequires /usr/bin/cpp rpm -qf /usr/bin/cpp

Re: [sw-eco] Keyboard Support for Haiti & Ethiopia - OLPC 8.1.1 bugfix release

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 05:23:11PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > Also, I remain interested in pulling in other changes that close > existing bugs. Please suggest some plausible changes. (I'll suggest a > few myself in my next email). Blake Setlow was the first to take me up on my o

Re: XO-XS backups

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 03:23:18PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > At this stage, I am slowly hacking on ds-backup.py. My plan so far is to Where can I find your code? Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.or

Re: [sw-eco] Keyboard Support for Haiti & Ethiopia - OLPC 8.1.1 bugfix release

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 07:54:46PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > --- officially --- > > According to tickets #6973 and #6945, 703 loads the wrong keyboard map > for Haiti and inappropriately invokes GTK-IM for Ethiopia. It is > proposed that we make a small bug-fix release to

Re: Keyboard layout issues

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 01:58:38AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > Step 5 did not work. I think you meant > git tag -s -m 'Bump revision to 0.xx' v0.xx Indeed, my mistake. > I have submitted a Koji build request. Status at > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=611349 Thanks ver

Re: Keyboard layout issues

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:32:49PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > for the olpc-utils package, before starting the build in Koji, do you > want me to commit to dev.laptop.org Git and bump up the version, or do > you want me to put the patch in Koji ? If you want me to commit to > d.l.o Git first

Re: New ssh key fingerprint for dev.laptop.org.

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
I have renamed the authorized_keys or authorized_keys2 files for eight accounts on teach.laptop.org which contained weak keys or which caused the checking script to report a warning when processed. Please contact me to resolve your account status if you have an account but are unable to authenticat

Keyboard Support for Haiti & Ethiopia - OLPC 8.1.1 bugfix release

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
--- officially --- According to tickets #6973 and #6945, 703 loads the wrong keyboard map for Haiti and inappropriately invokes GTK-IM for Ethiopia. It is proposed that we make a small bug-fix release to allow Haiti and Mongolia to make effective use of their laptops with a 703-like build. The US

Re: Keyboard layout issues

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 05:12:08PM -0400, Kim Quirk wrote: > Once the next step is figured out -- packaging, do we start a 704 build > (based on 703) with just these fixes? Or do I test them out in a joyride > first? When they are created, I recommend that we ask Dennis to apply these packages to

Re: [sugar] OLPC priorities for Sugar in the August release

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 01:00:32PM -0700, John Gilmore wrote: > I've often wanted the close-box to be in the Frame itself, so that there's > a short and totally deterministic way to tell someone how to exit the > current application. Providing an obvious close-button outside of the activity is a g

Re: Keyboard layout issues

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
Sayamindu, Thanks for the awesome writeup. Do you feel comfortable enough with Fedora packaging to take responsibility for providing 703-compatible packages containing these changes? Thanks, Michael Status fragment: #6973 PKG ??? (Production problem: Haiti keyboard doesn't match k

Re: [sugar] OLPC priorities for Sugar in the August release

2008-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
> > > Is the solution currently in joyride satisfactory for the August > > release? > > > > Personally I think it's OK. It won't hurt to try to do better if we > > have time obviously... > > Let me clarify. I think activities launch is OK. Stuff like frame > responsiveness and activity switch

Half a New Planning Thoughts Draft; release management half.

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Stone
Available at a wiki near you: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Plan_of_Record-2008/Draft_3 The important changes since the last version include: * simplified prose, care of Mitch * a serious proposal for a stable release process for the next few months * separation of release management thoughts

Re: Broken Touchpads, MouseKeys, and xkb->ctrls->mk_max_speed.

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 08:05:51AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > > > > We can use Xkb/AccessX's "MouseKeys" accessibility feature to provide an > > easy work-around for many of our touchpad problems. MouseKeys is easy to > > hi michael -- nice work. have you seen this thread on olpcnews? > htt

Re: [sugar] 65-node simple mesh test (and counting... ;-)

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 03:29:51AM -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: Data Questions: * Are the measurements used to make the display of 'distributions of profile arrival rate vs. time' produced from timestamps of profile arrival as recorded by all the laptops or by some smaller set of

Broken Touchpads, MouseKeys, and xkb->ctrls->mk_max_speed.

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel@, We can use Xkb/AccessX's "MouseKeys" accessibility feature to provide an easy work-around for many of our touchpad problems. MouseKeys is easy to enable through xmodmap where, (on a handy B4), you do something like: xmodmap -pke > old_map xmodmap -e 'keycode 133 = Num_Lock Pointe

Re: An OLPC Development Model

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
Gentlefolk, It seems to me, upon a few hours' calm reflection that: Bert - you leapt to some unfounded conclusions about the significance of Dennis' work and he seems to have been hurt by the way you posed some of your questions. Scott - I don't need to bring the specter of drug abuse and mental

Re: Build olpc3-8 dies in early init.

2008-05-06 Thread Michael Stone
Mikus, Thanks for trying out the olpc3 buildstream. As you can see, Dennis Gilmore and I are experimenting with rebasing our software on top of F-9. There are two current challenges: 1) upstart wants to be pid 1. We reserve pid 1 for our own use. We can remove the conflict with a dirty hack, cont

Software Status Meeting Tomorrow @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-05-06 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, Let's spend an hour tomorrow at 2:00 PM (1400 EDT, 1800 UTC) describing the tasks that we are presently working on and the technical frustrations we are presently encountering or the progress that we have recently made. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel

Rainbow 0.7.12 Announcement

2008-05-05 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, I've released a new rainbow, version 0.7.12 into Joyride in order to solicit more widespread testing of some changes that I'd like to incorporate into our next release. This version has some tasty things like - delayed rainbow startup (which will allow X to win the rainbow/X startup r

Re: Mesh testing

2008-05-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 12:39:31PM -0400, Bill Mccormick wrote: > Yes I'm in Ottawa. > > I'm in the middle of getting a fedora 6 system setup with the source > code etc. so I can build patches. Please speak up if you need help finding or manipulating source code. Also, we're happy to provide

A small present. (PenTablet-support installation script for 656/703)

2008-05-02 Thread Michael Stone
Friends, Over a month ago, Blake and I pieced together some software to turn on PenTablet support. At Kim's and SJ's urging, I have prepared http://teach.laptop.org/~mstone/fix-tablet.sh which makes it a bit easier to install the relevant pieces. I believe it will enable the PT on both 656 and

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