Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-27 Thread NoiseEHC
> > Actually, I would argue that an operating system that doesn't > natively host its development tools is not appropriate for OLPC's > target audience. > Self hosting is not an absolute requirement. You just have traded an existing, usable developer environment (like Eclipse) for the possibilit

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread NoiseEHC
What: Sugar / Android What is the same: Application complexity: Simple (Activities) / Simple (Activities) Data storage: Ditch filesystem (central Journal) / Ditch filesystem (app specific SQLite storage) UI: Simple (ugly) / Simple (cool) Computer experience of target audience: Low (children) /

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread John Watlington
On Dec 24, 2009, at 6:59 AM, NoiseEHC wrote: > ... > debug. You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has > been created to solve just it is faster, uses less memory, much > prettier, has an usable developer environment... Actually, I would argue that an operating system that d

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread Stanley Sokolow
I'm with Bert. What problems has Android solved that Sugar was created to solve, in your opinion? On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: > > > > You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has > > been created to solve

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.12.2009, at 12:59, NoiseEHC wrote: > > You know, Android OS solves exactly the same problems Sugar has > been created to solve O RLY? <> - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread NoiseEHC
> I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd > seen the news stories about Google cease-and-desists to the guys making > improved free versions. Is a useful fully-free version readily > available, as a practical option? > > The guy bundled the not free Google applic

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-24 Thread John Gilmore
> What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? > Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel patches as GPLv2[1], although > there have been some proprietary apps and customizations on top. I hadn't looked closely enough to see the detailed licensing. But I'd seen the n

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-23 Thread Seth Woodworth
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > > > The OS is proprietary (android), it would probably fail it you dropped > it in a puddle and it has too many radios... What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel pa

Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial

2009-12-23 Thread John Gilmore
> "We don't necessarily need to build it," Negroponte told Forbes. "We just > need to threaten to build it." Looks like Notion Ink has already done so, sort of: http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-tegra-android-smartpad-uses-pixel-qi-display-1866308/ The OS is proprietary (android), it would