Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

my first impression was that x32 can be better than x86_64 ABI for things like a sabayon desktop profile where true > 4 GiB of real RAM requirements per program is a rara avis and used only for sabayon server profiles ... i mean, how many programs really need so much ram? video editing? insane gimp

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > We're not going to support x32 ABI. +the -- Fabio Erculiani

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We're not going to support x32 ABI. 32bit is dead and people should deal with it. Someday, 32bit operating systems will be a memory of the past ;-) http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2012/06/debunking-x32-myths -- Fabio Erculiani

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gmane.org - RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers === linux is free, but needed expertise to use this little beast is a personal, time consuming, continuous accumulation of knowledge and wasted time can not be rolle

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on the road to a pure x86_64 going tru' PAE enabled kernels i spotted a better candidate: lwn.net - The x32 system call ABI hummm ... a dream becoming true? this ABI can be used also for pure x86 processors? non PAE processors? old 32 ABI compiled programs need

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

You can also count me among the people that still log a lot of time on a x86 machine. Having said that, the PAE issue should mostly affect really old x86 machines (with the exception of early Pentium M processors). The i686 or better on the Intel side should support PAE. Athlon or better should

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

is performance and compatibility problems for PAE kernels in virtual machines? you can run an x86 PAE-enabled kernel with 2 Gb ram, not so? === linux is free, but needed expertise to use this little beast is a personal, time consuming, continuous accumulation of

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Wanted to say exactly that, people still use x86 systems, and lots of people ... On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Glenn Phillips wrote: > Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_K.iso > 3.84 TiB > Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_G.iso > 3.82 TiB > > Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_K.iso > 5.27 TiB > Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_G.iso > 4.72TiB

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There are also virtual machines, and x86 is installed most time on them :) 2012/5/16 Glenn Phillips : > Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_K.iso > 3.84 TiB > Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_G.iso > 3.82 TiB > > Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_K.iso > 5.27 TiB > Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_G.iso > 4.72TiB > > > X86 = 7.66TB > AMD64 = 9.99TB

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Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_K.iso 3.84 TiB Sabayon_Linux_8_x86_G.iso 3.82 TiB Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_K.iso 5.27 TiB Sabayon_Linux_8_amd64_G.iso 4.72TiB X86 = 7.66TB AMD64 = 9.99TB so we've got a 1.3:1 ratio It appears you're right and people still live in the dark ages... however I wonder how many of th

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Oh well, the 32-bit drama. Why do people whine about 32 bit machines so much, esp. those who aren't bothered by Sabayon offering such releases. If you all don't see any use (about yourself or others), that's your non-problem. Well I'm "biased": although I don't like a 4th world, I have a 32 bit CP

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Just thought I'd chime in this part too. Generally if I'm setting up a virtual machine, especially just a quick dirty testing/throw away, I'll use 32-bit system. On May 16, 2012 1:40 PM, "Fabio Erculiani" wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Glenn Phillips > wrote: > > Why bother? The only

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Glenn Phillips wrote: > Why bother? The only things that are 32bit anymore are really old hardware > and really cheap netbooks.  Is that really our target audience anyways? > I'm still baffled that we still support 32bit... > Not everybody lives in the "1st World"

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Why bother? The only things that are 32bit anymore are really old hardware and really cheap netbooks. Is that really our target audience anyways? I'm still baffled that we still support 32bit... On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Steven Cristian < stefan.crist...@best.eu.org> wrote: > Well, need t

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Well, need to feedback on this. Yeah, pae is ok as long as we keep the old kernels ( and maybe ship it with one ISO ), everything is fine with it :D. Go ahead ! On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Wolfden wrote: > holy signature batman, cliff notes? -- Linux user since 2002. Sabayon Linux user

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holy signature batman, cliff notes? On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Toderel Adrian-Aurel wrote: > well, i am x86_64 from day one of my sabayon install, many years ago ... > and with 4 GiB ram from day one, non-PAE means a loss of ram even in x86 > configurations ... wasted hdd and cpu cycles o

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

well, i am x86_64 from day one of my sabayon install, many years ago ... and with 4 GiB ram from day one, non-PAE means a loss of ram even in x86 configurations ... wasted hdd and cpu cycles on entropy sabayon server ... my vote is to drop it and see if someone complains ... my bet is that will b

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Yep, what I'm suggesting is to have only PAE for for 3.3+ kernels, but keep old, PAE-less kernels on our repos. Then, we might produce a release with an older (3.2, 3.3 or whatever) PAE-less kernel, making Sabayon installable everywhere. Would that be possible? 2012/5/15 Fabio Erculiani : > On Tue

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Danilo Pianini wrote: > As Fabio said, we can still support old systems with our pre-PAE > kernels (till 3.3). Considering that, I think the switch would be very > good. > > We might want to ship a Sabayon XFCE with the non-PAE 3.3 kernel > targeted to old systems.

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As Fabio said, we can still support old systems with our pre-PAE kernels (till 3.3). Considering that, I think the switch would be very good. We might want to ship a Sabayon XFCE with the non-PAE 3.3 kernel targeted to old systems. This would solve every problem IMHO. 2012/5/15 Toderel Adrian-Aur

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can be a logical solution to try to estimate how many sabayoners have such old processors launching an open survey? announcing the drop for non-PAE x86 and requesting user feedback? ant then if is low or no negative votes, jump to PAE-only kernels and making an special wiki section explaining what

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Joost Ruis wrote: > Do I get this right: > > If PAE is enabled we drop support for > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M ( Produced       From 2003 to 2008 ) > So we drop support for very old x86 laptops that are at least 4,5 years old? > Or does it also affect

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Do I get this right: If PAE is enabled we drop support for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M ( Produced From 2003 to 2008 ) So we drop support for very old x86 laptops that are at least 4,5 years old? Or does it also affect other systems? I can agree if we do not touch the older kernel

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You're right :) 2012/5/14 Fabio Erculiani : > However, if we enable PAE only on 3.3+ kernels, we have the following > advantages: > > 1) Sabayon 8 ships with Linux 3.2, so things will keep going as > expected for users who never manually updated the kernel version. So, > no "surprise surprise" eff

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However, if we enable PAE only on 3.3+ kernels, we have the following advantages: 1) Sabayon 8 ships with Linux 3.2, so things will keep going as expected for users who never manually updated the kernel version. So, no "surprise surprise" effect here. 1.1) People upgrading to newer kernels are usu

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

It would be useful to me, personally, because I have a VM where I installed sabayon x86 which was created with 1GB but that has currently 4GB. However, after I thought a bit about PAE, my opinion is that we should basically answer to the following question: "Do we prefer to have no support for th

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM, wolfden wrote: > meh, it's x86, do whatever to it. Majority are on x86_64 > > > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >> >> ahah, >> back in topic, I see more "yes" than "no", good! >> Not planning to make two different kernels, one for PAE and o

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

meh, it's x86, do whatever to it. Majority are on x86_64 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > ahah, > back in topic, I see more "yes" than "no", good! > Not planning to make two different kernels, one for PAE and one for > non-PAE I mean, unless it becomes strictly necessary

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

ahah, back in topic, I see more "yes" than "no", good! Not planning to make two different kernels, one for PAE and one for non-PAE I mean, unless it becomes strictly necessary. I don't think this is going to happen. -- Fabio Erculiani

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I should consider myself lucky: that's still better than "and we should look into killing him"… :P

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Enlik is deprecated and we should look into removing it also. On May 13, 2012 7:01 PM, "Sławomir Nizio" wrote: > I'm not knowledgeable here so I may be wrong but - I don't see any > downsides. > "Yes, enable" from me. > > Btw. amd64 should die, not everything works there (otherwise > emul-linux-x

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I'm not knowledgeable here so I may be wrong but - I don't see any downsides. "Yes, enable" from me. Btw. amd64 should die, not everything works there (otherwise emul-linux-x86-* wouldn't be needed) which means it's legacy, obsolete, old and should die! Ha ha ha!

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

I vote for adding it, it would be very useful for 32 bit systems. If performance is the main concern we might offer one build with PAE enabled and one without it, shipping the PAE one by default (even if performance shouldn't be noticeable). Il 13/05/2012 18:58, Vitovt ha scritto: > Yes! Let's do

Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

+kill On May 13, 2012 6:11 PM, "Ian Whyman" wrote: > N. Just tell people to use 64bit. I can't see a use case for this. Can > we just 32bit already? > On May 13, 2012 5:59 PM, "Vitovt" wrote: > >> Yes! Let's do it! >> I've offered it for you about year ago... >> -- >> Vitovt >> Керівник прое

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N. Just tell people to use 64bit. I can't see a use case for this. Can we just 32bit already? On May 13, 2012 5:59 PM, "Vitovt" wrote: > Yes! Let's do it! > I've offered it for you about year ago... > -- > Vitovt > Керівник проекту > Груша.org.ua > e-mail: vit...@

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Yes! Let's do it! I've offered it for you about year ago... -- Vitovt Керівник проекту Груша.org.ua e-mail: vit...@grusha.org.ua IRC: chat.freenode.net #grusha 73 2012/5/13 Fabio Erculiani : > Besides we would all like to see 32bit ABI die, I would love to > eventually enable PAE on x86 kernels b

[sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?

Besides we would all like to see 32bit ABI die, I would love to eventually enable PAE on x86 kernels by default. See bug: https://bugs.sabayon.org/3033 Let the flame begin -- Fabio Erculiani