Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Robbie Harwood
Mikolaj Izdebski writes: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM Alexander Scheel wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and >> > Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of

The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mario Torre
I think there's a difference between libraries and applications though. I for one think that not having Eclipse packaged in Fedora/RHEL etc.. would be a big loss, the same goes for Mission Control which we maintain On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:00 PM Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 9,

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:54 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 10.09.2020 16:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Flatpak is way better suited for our use case and in addition gives us > > access to a way bigger install base. > > Flathub is a third-party repository and not related to

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:36 am, Kamil Paral wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:54 AM Mikhail Gavrilov wrote: # authselect apply-changes [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. [error] Refusing to activate

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Robbie Harwood
Ondrej Mosnacek writes: > James Cassell wrote: >> Ben Cotton wrote: >> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_Support_For_SELinux_Runtime_Disable >>> >>> == Summary == >>> Remove support for SELinux runtime disable so that the LSM hooks can >>> be hardened via

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:23 PM Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 14:50, Joe Orton wrote: > > [...] > > > 1. The team has two missions in Fedora: > > > > > > a) We deliver, maintain and

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > 4. The benefit we want to preserve from modules is to maintain packages > > > with varying

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Alexander Scheel
Ben, Can Fedora first-party flatpaks be built from unsigned, untrusted content outside of the Fedora Repos? Or can they only be built from content otherwise already present in Fedora? Just curious what benefits a first-party flatpak has versus an upstream one. AFAIK, the last Fedora Container

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:27 PM Silvia Sánchez wrote: > Ondrej, > > You need to install Kwin Wayland and another package that will provide the > backend. It seems all the necessary packages were pulled in as dependencies via plasma-workspace-wayland. $ sudo dnf info --installed *wayland* |

GNOME 3.37.92 megaupdate landing in testing and tracker3 coming

2020-09-10 Thread Kalev Lember
Hi all, Just a quick heads up that the 3.37.92 megaupdate is all lined up and queued to F33 updates-testing: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-7f57486c95 This is likely not going to be pushed through the beta freeze, so next week I'll prepare a final .0 release to

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:24 am, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi Michael, Could you please provide more details? This is content of my nsswitch.conf: ~~~ $ grep mdns4_minimal /etc/authselect/user-nsswitch.conf hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname ~~~ How that

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:23 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:09 am, Mikhail Gavrilov > wrote: > > # authselect apply-changes > > [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! > > [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. > >

Review swap

2020-09-10 Thread Jerry James
Version 2.7.1 of ocaml-dune is out, with a bug fix that I want. However, upstream has started unbundling other projects. They were bundled in the first place so that dune could be built with nothing more than the OCaml compiler. However, upstream has now unbundled csexp, and has hinted that more

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker wrote: > Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older kde > settings are messing things up. That's definitely possible... However this is a single-user machine and I don't really feel like creating a new user :) If I

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Zdenek Kabelac
Dne 10. 09. 20 v 17:53 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a): On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:36 am, Kamil Paral wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:54 AM Mikhail Gavrilov wrote: # authselect apply-changes  [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content!  [error] Unexpected changes to the

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Christopher Engelhard
On 10.09.20 17:53, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > I'm a bit concerned that two different people are seeing this. I don't > think we have any scriptlets tha writes to /etc/nsswitch.conf or > /etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf on its own. But maybe, for non-live > installs, that could happen if the systemd

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > maintain the non-modular packages.  We are not going to promise to > commit time and resources to maintain the non-modular packages. Joe, here's a part I hope you can help me understand better. Modularity isn't an entirely new

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 2:04 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:37:41PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:08 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:54 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: >> >> On 10.09.2020 16:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >> > Flatpak is way better suited for our use case and in addition gives us >> > access to a way bigger

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:37:41PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at

Subject: Self Introduction: Micah Shennum

2020-09-10 Thread Micah Shennum
Hello, I have been using Fedora for a long time (circa 24), and have been providing feedback to bodhi / updates-testing for a while now. I was looking for a way to get more involved, and was surprised at how fairly straight forward creating rpm packages seems when looking into locally bumping

Re: Subject: Self Introduction: Micah Shennum

2020-09-10 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:51 PM Micah Shennum wrote: > I have been using Fedora for a long time (circa 24), and have been > providing feedback to bodhi / updates-testing for a while now. I was > looking for a way to get more involved, and was surprised at how fairly > straight forward creating

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:31 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-10 Thread Chris Murphy
This is just a data point: F31 Workstation clean installed (Live ISO), then updated to current F31, then upgraded to F33 (no interim F32). /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] myhostname dns And lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root39 Sep 10

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 22:19 +0200, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > > > So conceptually, one way we can solve this problem by implementing a way > > to mark certain non-modular RPMs as "build root only" packages and thus > > composing them into a separate "build root" yum repo, that is not enabled > >

Re: GNOME 3.37.92 megaupdate landing in testing and tracker3 coming

2020-09-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 20:49 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick heads up that the 3.37.92 megaupdate is all lined up and > queued to F33 updates-testing: > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-7f57486c95 For the record, this currently fails openQA tests because

Fedora-Rawhide-20200910.n.0 compose check report

2020-09-10 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 2 of 43 required tests failed, 4 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Failed openQA tests: 6/181 (x86_64) New failures (same test not failed in

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:27:30 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > > used > > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings,

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:02 pm, Christopher Engelhard wrote: I'll file a bug - would this be against authselect or systemd? I would start with authselect, even if it might turn out to be a systemd RPM issue. That said, it would be really helpful if someone could find a way to reproduce

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: > Mikolaj Izdebski writes: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM Alexander Scheel wrote: > >> Hi Joe, > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: > >> > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:34 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > >

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd.

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:31, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want to

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Guido Aulisi
> Il giorno 10 set 2020, alle ore 16:53, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > ha scritto: > > On 10.09.2020 16:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >> Flatpak is way better suited for our use case and in addition gives us >> access to a way bigger install base. > > Flathub is a third-party repository and

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Becker
Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older kde settings are messing things up. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > * Ben Cotton: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_Support_For_SELinux_Runtime_Disable > > > > == Summary == > > Remove support for SELinux runtime disable so that the LSM hooks can > > be hardened via

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > On 10/09/2020 09:44, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 16:29, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> NOTE: Runtime disable is considered deprecated by upstream, and using > >> it will become increasingly painful (e.g.

Fedora-Cloud-31-20200910.0 compose check report

2020-09-10 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 7/7 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:33 AM Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 10:17, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > Speaking from personal experience, I've wasted days over the last > > > decade trying to debug a locally installed system service that was not > > > working where there were no

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Mikhail Gavrilov
From here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1863041#c46 I have expected what newly-created connection would work properly without manually changing ipv4.dns-search to ~. on the specific VPN connection. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 10:17, Tom Hughes wrote: > > Speaking from personal experience, I've wasted days over the last > > decade trying to debug a locally installed system service that was not > > working where there were no messages in any of the logs (e.g. no AVCs) > > -- and turning off

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Eugene Syromiatnikov
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:36:18AM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > * Name:

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread alciregi
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > used > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings, isn't > > it? > > However they are easily customizable in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf >

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:27:30PM +0200, alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 12:06 +0200, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > > > > > > These DNS addresses are bundled upstream in systemd. And they are > > > used > > > in the event of a misconfiguration of your network settings, isn't >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 8:28:20 AM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > *

Fedora-Cloud-32-20200910.0 compose check report

2020-09-10 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/7 (x86_64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-32-20200909.0): ID: 660385 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL:

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Vít Ondruch
Hi Michael, Could you please provide more details? This is content of my nsswitch.conf: ~~~ $ grep mdns4_minimal /etc/authselect/user-nsswitch.conf hosts:  files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname ~~~ How that happened? From what version of what package it happened? Why

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 10/09/2020 09:44, Richard Hughes wrote: On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 16:29, Ben Cotton wrote: NOTE: Runtime disable is considered deprecated by upstream, and using it will become increasingly painful (e.g. sleeping/blocking) through future kernel releases until eventually it is removed completely.

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:43:28 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > Due to outstanding unresolved blockers, there is no release candidate > for Fedora 33 Beta yet. I am cancelling tomorrow's Go/No-Go meeting. > The Release Readiness meeting *will be held* as scheduled[1]. Please > update the

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Thomas Haller
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 06:53 +, Mikhail Gavrilov wrote: > And after creating a fresh VPN connection via NetworkManager name > resolving not working again. > > # ping git.sbis.ru > ping: git.sbis.ru: Name or service not known > > $ resolvectl domain > Global: > Link 2 (enp5s0): ~. > Link 3

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:31:57 AM MST Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > That's my bad, I reviewed this and that looked good to me, but yeah > > maybe the wording could have been better even though CPE is part of > > Fedora afaik. > > > > > > Yep, CPE is part of Fedora,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 16:29, Ben Cotton wrote: > NOTE: Runtime disable is considered deprecated by upstream, and using > it will become increasingly painful (e.g. sleeping/blocking) through > future kernel releases until eventually it is removed completely. Speaking from personal experience,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ben Cotton: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_Support_For_SELinux_Runtime_Disable > > == Summary == > Remove support for SELinux runtime disable so that the LSM hooks can > be hardened via read-only-after-initialization protections. > > Migrate users to using ''selinux=0'' if they

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Mikhail Gavrilov
# authselect apply-changes [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. [error] Refusing to activate profile unless those changes are removed or overwrite is requested. Some unexpected changes to the configuration

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Mikhail Gavrilov
# authselect apply-changes [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. [error] Refusing to activate profile unless those changes are removed or overwrite is requested. Some unexpected changes to the configuration

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:54 AM Mikhail Gavrilov < mikhail.v.gavri...@gmail.com> wrote: > # authselect apply-changes > [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! > [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. > [error] Refusing to activate profile unless

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread alciregi
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > configured to use > Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is valued > at all, > this needs to be addressed before release. These DNS addresses

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
Hi James, On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:43 PM James Cassell wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_Support_For_SELinux_Runtime_Disable > > > > == Summary == > > Remove support for SELinux runtime disable so that the LSM hooks can

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 10.09.2020 16:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > Flatpak is way better suited for our use case and in addition gives us > access to a way bigger install base. Flathub is a third-party repository and not related to Fedora at all. > And the involvement on Java packaging in Fedora is so low that

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 09.09.2020 20:23, Christoph Karl wrote: > Do you have a link, bugzilla or so? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390079 Known KDE-Wayland issues: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:54 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 10.09.2020 16:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > Flatpak is way better suited for our use case and in addition gives us > > access to a way bigger install base. > > Flathub is a third-party

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 10. 09. 20 16:53, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: I think FESCo should completely forbid modules without packaged non-modular versions. It did. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list --

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:38:04PM +0200, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > > > > > In modular Fedora that's (effectively) not true. Packages that only exist > > > for the sake of building other packages (i.e. build-only dependencies) > > > can be > > > retained in the Fedora build system and never

Re: Manual intervention required: broken /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf for F33 early adopters

2020-09-10 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:09 am, Mikhail Gavrilov wrote: # authselect apply-changes [error] [/etc/authselect/nsswitch.conf] has unexpected content! [error] Unexpected changes to the configuration were detected. [error] Refusing to activate profile unless those changes are removed or

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Silvia Sánchez
Ondrej, You need to install Kwin Wayland and another package that will provide the backend. My experience wasn't the best, several apps crashed, effects stuttered or were very slow, even typing felt slower. But at least my desktop looked normal. One comment: the logging out issue is not because

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:46 PM Alexander Scheel wrote: > Hi Joe, > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and > > Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of Mikolaj Izdebski and Marian Koncek from my >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 03:46:38PM +0200, Michal Schorm wrote: > Does this mean, the "setenforce 0" won't work anymore? No, setenforce will not be affected by this change. > I use it quite a lot to examine the denials and audit2allow to > generate updated rules which fixes my issues. > > I

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 14:50, Joe Orton wrote: > [...] > > 1. The team has two missions in Fedora: > > > > a) We deliver, maintain and support Ant and Maven in Fedora. Our aim > > is to provide developers with

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:04 PM Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > 4. The benefit we want to preserve from modules is to maintain packages > > > with varying

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Alexander Scheel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:11 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:46 PM Alexander Scheel wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and

HEADS UP: malcontent is available in rawhide

2020-09-10 Thread Kalev Lember
Hi all, Bastien Nocera asked me to send a heads up that he has packaged up 'malcontent' library and it's available in rawhide buildroots in case apps want to start using it. malcontent is a library that implements parental control support. He's not subscribed so I'm just relying the info :)

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > In non-modular Fedora all packages that we have in Fedora build system (Koji) > are tagged into Fedora repositories and made available to all users on their > computers for any purpose. That implies that all packages in Fedora build >

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM Alexander Scheel wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and > > Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of Mikolaj Izdebski and Marian Koncek from my >

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:35 PM Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > In non-modular Fedora all packages that we have in Fedora build system > > (Koji) > > are tagged into Fedora repositories and made available to all users on their > > computers

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:05 PM Michal Schorm wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:58 PM Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:48 PM Michal Schorm wrote: > > > Does this mean, the "setenforce 0" won't work anymore? > > No, no, don't worry, "setenforce 0" (i.e. switching SELinux to

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 14:50, Joe Orton wrote: [...] > 1.  The team has two missions in Fedora: > > a) We deliver, maintain and support Ant and Maven in Fedora. Our aim > is to provide developers with the most popular Java build systems > which are reviewed, tested, and updated through

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Alexander Scheel
Hi Joe, On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and > Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of Mikolaj Izdebski and Marian Koncek from my > team. I want to give a broad response to some of the points here: > > 1.

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Michal Schorm
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:58 PM Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:48 PM Michal Schorm wrote: > > Does this mean, the "setenforce 0" won't work anymore? > No, no, don't worry, "setenforce 0" (i.e. switching SELinux to > "Permissive" mode) would not be affected and would work as

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Petr Pisar
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > 4. The benefit we want to preserve from modules is to maintain packages > > with varying expectation of quality, specifically separating the > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > Because Red Hat customers put the SELinux policy developers into > no-win situations: they complain about AVC denials that don't actually > significantly break anything in *their* app My response to that would be to ship a "AVC ignore-list"

Fedora 33 compose report: 20200910.n.0 changes

2020-09-10 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-33-20200909.n.0 NEW: Fedora-33-20200910.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 0 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 1 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 B Size of dropped packages:0 B Size of upgraded

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > 4. The benefit we want to preserve from modules is to maintain packages > with varying expectation of quality, specifically separating the > build-time-only vs runtime dependencies.  e.g. in that case that a web > server like

Fedora-33-20200910.n.0 compose check report

2020-09-10 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 6/181 (x86_64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-33-20200909.n.0): ID: 660789 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_notifications_postinstall URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/660789 ID: 660818 Test: x86_64 universal

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 2:28 PM Richard Hughes wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 12:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Because Red Hat customers put the SELinux policy developers into > > no-win situations: they complain about AVC denials that don't actually > > significantly break anything in *their* app

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Ondrej Mosnacek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:48 PM Michal Schorm wrote: > Does this mean, the "setenforce 0" won't work anymore? No, no, don't worry, "setenforce 0" (i.e. switching SELinux to "Permissive" mode) would not be affected and would work as before. The proposal is only about fully disabling SELinux.

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Joe Orton
Hi all, I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of Mikolaj Izdebski and Marian Koncek from my team.  I want to give a broad response to some of the points here: 1.  The team has two missions in Fedora: a) We deliver, maintain and

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:38 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:33 AM Richard Hughes wrote: > > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 10:17, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > Speaking from personal experience, I've wasted days over the last > > > > decade trying to debug a locally installed system

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Generally, I would appreciate if the proposal was more readable to > casual Fedora user/developer. I don't think there is clearly described > the current state and what is going to be changed. Also, there is a lot > of unclear

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Michal Schorm
Does this mean, the "setenforce 0" won't work anymore? I use it quite a lot to examine the denials and audit2allow to generate updated rules which fixes my issues. I would see the inability of such workflow as a major drawback for *anyone* who doesn't just consume the default configuration. e.g.

[Bug 1874683] perl-Locale-Codes-3.65 is available

2020-09-10 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1874683 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In

[Bug 1872870] perl-Data-Validate-IP build for EPEL7

2020-09-10 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1872870 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Fixed In Version|perl-Data-Validate-IP-0.27- |perl-Data-Validate-IP-0.27-

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2020-09-10 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 5 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-972f57ea6d drupal7-7.72-1.el6 2 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-b425525e83 mbedtls-2.7.17-1.el6 The following builds have been

[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposed EPEL Playground Documentation

2020-09-10 Thread Troy Dawson
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:44 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 08. 09. 20 17:52, Troy Dawson wrote: > > Note1: Not everything has been implemented yet. package.cfg is still > > in the epel repos. fedpkg has not been updated. This documentation > > will go out when those changes are implemented. > >

[Bug 1831322] perl-POE-Test-Loops: please add epel8 branch

2020-09-10 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1831322 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[Bug 1831322] perl-POE-Test-Loops: please add epel8 branch

2020-09-10 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1831322 Bug 1831322 depends on bug 1831324, which changed state. Bug 1831324 Summary: perl-POE: please add epel8 branch https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1831324 What|Removed |Added

[Bug 1831324] perl-POE: please add epel8 branch

2020-09-10 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1831324 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In Version|

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