Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Markus Larsson
I'm entirely fine with using discourse WHEN it has a functioning mailing list mode. I am not against discourse as such, I am against making changes that forces everyone to consume the information in exactly the same way. Ensure that mailing list mode works in a way that the ones who needs that

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 August 2019 14:23:48 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >I read all the comments and my response is this... >First of all, there is no limit to the amount of emails that discourse >will >send out. That is a site parameter, and whomever supports it for >Fedora >needs to change it: >

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-28 Thread Markus Larsson
On 28 August 2019 13:34:54 CEST, "Dan Čermák" wrote: >Hi Danni, > >Danny Lee writes: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm new to the devel list and fedora in general, but i was wondering >if >> these kind of back and forths between a few people is a frequent >> occurrence.  I came to Fedora to volunteer

RE: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 August 2019 12:56:42 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: What issues are you referring to? I don't believe it is reasonable to believe everything would work exactly the same with Discourse - but close enough should be sufficient. There are also myriad advantages to Discourse. Are these

RE: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 August 2019 13:25:52 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >Here you go... >https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298 Yes, I'm aware of their marketing. What I was after was data from someone that doesn't have a horse in the race.

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
you disagree with something that is stated, you need to in detail >explain why, not just claim it is marketing and therefore invalid. > >On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:30 AM Markus Larsson >wrote: > >> >> >> On 26 August 2019 13:25:52 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" >wrote: &g

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 August 2019 17:28:03 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >> On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >> >> The only reason to bring it up when replying to me is that you think >it applies here. So >> while you explicitly did not mention me there's not very many other >ways it can

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >> It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards >to this list is that >> discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent. >> >> As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I >don't think

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >> On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >> >> Was it a lengthy conversation where you needed context from earlier >posts? >> Was is easily at hand right in your email client? >> >> >> That's exactly my point. The

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 August 2019 16:29:28 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. My point is I don't like using >email >for forum discussions. The only reason I'm using it here is that I'm >being >forced to because "Development Discussions", "KDE Discussions" and >"Packaging

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson
You already have a solution. Use the solution you have. Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need. Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do. Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to deal with it and move on from this rather dead

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson
On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young wrote: > >On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote: >> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have. > > >Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem. You said it works fine in Arch. So use Arch

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson
On 23 September 2019 22:42:35 CEST, Ty Young wrote: > >On 9/23/19 3:16 PM, Markus Larsson wrote: >> >> >> On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young >> wrote: >> > >> >On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote: >> >

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-02 Thread Markus Larsson
On 2 November 2019 10:18:20 CET, Ankur Sinha wrote: >On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 09:23:37 +0100, Markus Larsson wrote: >> Not having this planned for and sorted before the change is sloppy. >> Sadly this kind of attitude towards breakage in a production >> environment seems

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-02 Thread Markus Larsson
On 2 November 2019 09:12:21 CET, "Miro Hrončok" wrote: >On 01. 11. 19 22:58, Tim Jackson wrote: >> I realise this is not exactly news, but when replacing Ask Fedora, >was there a >> reason to break all the links on the entire web to existing >solutions, rather >> than just putting the new

Re: f32-backgrounds look like crap

2020-04-17 Thread Markus Larsson
On 17 April 2020 21:00:55 CEST, "John M. Harris Jr" wrote: >On Friday, April 17, 2020 5:49:48 AM MST Leigh Scott wrote: >> If there any plan to fix them? >> >> https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202 >> 020-04-17%2013-32-22.png > >Wow, that does look

Re: f32-backgrounds look like crap

2020-04-18 Thread Markus Larsson
On 18 April 2020 07:49:18 CEST, Leigh Scott wrote: >> Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it to yourself. > >It's a free country with free speech. >If you don't like it don't read it! You do realise that asking someone nicely is not the same as trying to take away their

Re: f32-backgrounds look like crap

2020-04-17 Thread Markus Larsson
On 17 April 2020 15:17:50 CEST, Leigh Scott wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote: >> >> Hi Leigh, >> >> Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open: >> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/ >> Please vote for ones that you like. >> >> The

Re: CPE Git Forge Decision

2020-04-03 Thread Markus Larsson
On 3 April 2020 10:23:58 CEST, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: > >But there is an initiative to federate git forges, and they plan to >implement it on gitlab. Oh sorry, I meant on pagure :) > >https://forgefed.peers.community/ Oh that is quite the opportunity right there. The CPE team could get

Re: CPE Git Forge Decision

2020-04-03 Thread Markus Larsson
On 3 April 2020 19:18:57 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 01:04:33PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> For what it's worth, when I sent the list I included a reminder that >> FOSS is always our strong preference where viable. It was a mistake to >> not leave that in as a user

Re: Fedora+Lenovo

2020-05-01 Thread Markus Larsson
On 30 April 2020 23:18:10 CEST, Mark Pearson wrote: >Hi all, > >Adam Williamson suggested I stick a note in the mailing list saying “hi” - so >I’ve achieved that and officially upgraded myself from lurker! He also >suggested I take questions from the community - and I’m very happy to do that.

RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo

2020-05-01 Thread Markus Larsson
On 1 May 2020 12:57:04 CEST, Mark Pearson wrote: >Hi Markus, > >> From: Markus Larsson >> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 3:24 AM >> >> Hi Mark >> >> I have a question regarding the hardware lineup. The 3 machines mentioned >> are very fine machines

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-30 Thread Markus Larsson
On 30 June 2020 02:04:18 CEST, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >Hi > >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:40 PM Markus Larsson wrote: > >> >> Thanks, I am well aware. That wasn't really the topic here. >> > >If there is a repeated feeling that anyone has that a particular

Re: Remove device-mapper-multipath from the Fedora workstation livecd - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Markus Larsson
On 30 June 2020 11:10:03 CEST, Hans de Goede wrote: >With livecd installs the livecd rootfs simply gets rsync-ed over, so >anything which is in the livecd will also end up on the real system. > >There is a post-install configuration phase, so I guess we could >disable things which are only

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-30 Thread Markus Larsson
On 30 June 2020 16:52:52 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 08:43:34AM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> I have been using fedora since FC1 and there has been a few shifts. The >> latest shift seems to be a strong desire to be just another Ubuntu. That's >>

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Markus Larsson
On 1 July 2020 20:24:37 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 06:54:02AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> Making btrfs opt-in for F33 and (assuming the result go well) opt-out for F34 >> could be good option. I know technically it is already opt-in, but it's not >>

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-03 Thread Markus Larsson
On 3 July 2020 21:30:26 CEST, Adam Williamson wrote: >On Thu, 2020-06-25 at 13:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseNanoByDefault >> >> == Summary == >> >> Let's make Fedora more approachable, by having a default editor that >> doesn't require specialist

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-03 Thread Markus Larsson
On 3 July 2020 21:54:10 CEST, Adam Williamson wrote: >On Fri, 2020-07-03 at 21:35 +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> >> On 3 July 2020 21:30:26 CEST, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 2020-06-25 at 13:18 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> > &

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-07 Thread Markus Larsson
On 7 July 2020 18:31:32 CEST, Adam Williamson wrote: >On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 06:02 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 08:06:05PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 4:48 PM Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> > > So if one has a spare partition to

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-05 Thread Markus Larsson
On 5 July 2020 16:27:07 CEST, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 11:34, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >> > >> > On Mi, 01.07.20 21:06, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote: >> > >> > > The user-interactive portion of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 18:51 -0400, James Cassell wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Markus S. wrote: > > Why not Stratis? > > Stratis cannot be used to build the root filesystem. (It's been > answered elsewhere in the thread.) Are we sure?

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-07 Thread Markus Larsson
On 7 July 2020 20:26:52 CEST, Samuel Sieb wrote: >On 7/7/20 7:56 AM, Michal Schorm wrote: >> What I miss is the presence of nano in the default installations and images. >> I strongly believe it was there just a few Fedora releases back, but >> now, it's gone. > >Why do you think it's gone?

Re: Using "rawhide" for the dist-git branch for Fedora Rawhide

2020-07-07 Thread Markus Larsson
On 7 July 2020 21:20:22 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 09:03:19PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: >> in https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2410 I proposed to name the dist-git >> branch for Fedora Rawhide "rawhide" to clarify the purpose of that >> branch. There was also some feedback

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 13:39:46 CEST, Sergio Belkin wrote: >El vie., 26 jun. 2020 a las 8:10, Ankur Sinha () >escribió: > >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 23:38:13 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: >> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:21:37 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: >> > > I'm not sure why you think end-users can't use a

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 16:58:19 CEST, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: >On 26.06.2020 16:42, Ben Cotton wrote: >> For laptop and workstation installs of Fedora, we want to provide file >> system features to users in a transparent fashion. We want to add new >> features, while reducing the amount of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 21:04:00 CEST, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:45 pm, Markus Larsson >wrote: >> I strongly agree. BTRFS has been 5 years from production ready for >> almost a decade now, please don't force this on users that doesn't >> know any

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 18:11:09 CEST, Adam Williamson wrote: >On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 11:58 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:24:44AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> > And visudo/sudoedit, systemctl edit, bash ^X^E, mysql \e, virsh edit, >> > less v, mutt, edquota, and a number of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 20:08:53 CEST, Robert Relyea wrote: >On 6/25/20 12:58 PM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: >> >> >> Anyway, I find it hard to believe that serious developers are >> unable/unwilling to set their own choice of EDITOR. A systemwide >> default EDITOR=nano shouldn't cause them any real

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-26 Thread Markus Larsson
On 26 June 2020 21:32:31 CEST, Igor Raits wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA512 >> >> Josef's server parks is a bit of a different use case than laptops as >> other people has already pointed out. >> If you want data on how it works in a desktop/laptop scenario talk to >>

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 04:51:40 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 10:32:34AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: >> > Fine :) https://github.com/gwsw/less/issues/72 >> See Markus Larsson's comment on this above... > >Yeah, but as Michael points out, that doesn't really apply: it takes

Re: User experience issue on btrfs

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 08:26:21 CEST, "John M. Harris Jr" wrote: >On Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:37:08 PM MST Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, John M. Harris Jr said: >> >> > XFS proved to be troublesome, and still is up to the latest of RHEL7. It's >> > not uncommon to have to run xfs_repair on

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 June 2020 16:17:16 CEST, Solomon Peachy wrote: >On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 09:39:36AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: >> By that metric, Btrfs qualifies, as it's the default filesystem on >> SUSE Linux Enterprise (and has been since 2014). SUSE has built > >One thing I'd like to see addressed. >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 June 2020 03:21:32 CEST, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Peter Gordon wrote: >Facebook since 2015. SUSE/openSUSE on the desktop and on servers since >2014, by default. Are you suggesting they can do it and we can't? There's a difference between "can" and "should".

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 June 2020 21:34:17 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:25:01AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: >> Jesus Christ, this actually got approved. It's time to fork Fedora. This is >> really getting out of hand. > > >As mentioned earlier, there's no need to "fork Fedora". It

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 June 2020 17:55:09 CEST, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:12 AM Markus Larsson wrote: > >> There's a difference between "can" and "should". I find this " >> can do this are you less of a man than " tiresome. > >Yes, I a

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 17:36:15 CEST, Armin Wehrfritz wrote: >> It is not acceptable that there is a range of time that people would >> literally not be able to mount their file systems because the kernel >> module would not build. >I would say that is a rather unlikely scenario to happen given how

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 18:06:10 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:09:08PM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> I was thinking more in the lines of a Remix. >> Mainly to avoid spending time trying to get it blessed in the right >> forums. > >Sure, you cou

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 18:44:46 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 06:30:11PM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> A spin feels like a commitment that involves gathering what other people >> feel and need. While I'm cautious about some changes I tend to welcome >>

Re: Heads up: changing the subject format of change proposal announcements

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 19:27:23 CEST, Samuel Sieb wrote: >On 6/29/20 8:22 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: >> I will replace >> "Fedora Change proposal: " >> >> with >> " - Fedora Change proposal" >> >> As noted by Milan Crha, the existing format can result in threads that >> are hard to distinguish when

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 19:30:53 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:18:00PM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> I think most of these things could be solved in better ways, I don't think >> the "change request"-route is a good way to get the discussion st

Re: NetworkManager keyfile instead of ifcfg-rh - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 18:40:23 CEST, Ben Cotton wrote: >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NetworkManager_keyfile_instead_of_ifcfg_rh > >== Summary == >Change the default settings plugin of NetworkManager so that new >profiles will be created in keyfile format instead of ifcfg-rh format. > >==

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 22:33:43 CEST, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >Hi > >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Markus Larsson wrote: > >> >> No that doesn't help at all. It doesn't address what I wrote about many >> seeing a problem for the first time when a change is suggested

Re: an "old-school *nix defaults" spin [was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram]

2020-06-29 Thread Markus Larsson
On 29 June 2020 21:50:50 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:46:53PM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: >> I think it would be beneficial to lift up the problems we're trying to >> solve and then work towards possible solutions. I don't think it even >> wo

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 22:59 +, Stasiek Michalski wrote: > > On 27 June 2020 17:55:09 CEST, Chris Murphy > > > > > The actual data I will never ever be able to share. I have ended my > > time at that > > particular company but even when I was there I was not permitted to > > share such data.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread Markus Larsson
On 28 July 2020 17:07:14 CEST, Neal Gompa wrote: >> To prevent brutally overwriting configuration, it would be best not to >> replace >> /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink on upgrade, ignoring user configuration, but >> to do so on all new installs. >> > >We can be smart here and replace the