Re: gimp

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
shouldn't release updates with huge UI changes to the already-out versions. It might be time to start working on getting the update into rawhide, targetted for F16 or F17. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-06 Thread Matthew Miller
them from deltas. Only users on really slow connections benefit from it.) My desktop can rebuild deltas at ~3MB/sec. So even my really fast internet connection is slower than delta rebuild. Your internet connection is clearly not fast enough. :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-14 Thread Matthew Miller
advantage of our platform in a dubious race to compete on the desktop -- but that's tilting at windmills. Our approach going forward is going to be personal remote virtual machines -- the resources are still centralized, but the applications can't tell. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-20 Thread Matthew Miller
with the assumption that networks are a random transient resource, we'll end up conceding our place in the data center in exchange for an incredibly tiny slice of the desktop pie. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering

Re: git branch help?

2010-08-03 Thread Matthew Miller
isn't a good idea. Plus this fires up git, grep, and python every time you hit enter at the command line. That seems... not the best. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel

Re: Python 2.7 status: python2.7 is in dist-f14

2010-08-04 Thread Matthew Miller
to be specified with versions? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades

2010-08-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:10:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Please file things like this in bugzilla so they don't get lost in the chaos of this discussion list. -- Matthew Miller mat

systemd shutdown surprise

2010-08-13 Thread Matthew Miller
. But being able to shut a system down in the future -- or at least with a little warning to users -- is useful and important. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624149 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: systemd shutdown surprise

2010-08-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624149 Thanks, Lennart, for working on this promptly. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Matthew Miller
the moment someone types in a root password, even if they're on a different terminal. I accept that This sounds like yet another good argument for removing the need to ever type a root password. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing

systemd and filesystems with noauto

2010-08-21 Thread Matthew Miller
recognize that there's better ways of doing it. But I was surprised when I updated this system to latest rawhide and rebooted, because it came up with that filesystem mounted. Is this expected behavior? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing

systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
systemd, but *not awesome* for the distribution or for its users. Or, on the other hand, is it a matter of a few kinks which we can get solved before release? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: So, my question is serious. If we go ahead with systemd for F14, will we be hit with an onslaught of confusion, trouble, and change? That would be good for testing systemd, but *not awesome* for the distribution or for its users

systemd noauto bugzilla entry

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Is it helpful at this point if I file a bug for systemd's noauto behavior? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626502 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
for login. I know it's not feasible for most end-user desktops, but here we use two-factor authentication tokens for administrative access. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
my noauto filesystem, for example. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
. I want to avoid that. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
cases where if you don't know what it means, you probably don't care. I mean, if you're outside of Massachusetts, why are you interested in the Teachers' Association? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthew Miller
would need to be tested and verified. This document focuses on backwards compatibility. THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY VERBOSE. Comments, changes, etc. welcome. Thanks Bill. This looks very helpful. I'll look it over tomorrow. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
, it should be something that can be easily configured to smarthost and use SMTP AUTH. I would use sendmail for that, but that's just me (I understand many don't want sendmail and I have no problem with that). +1 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
of the comps change, since it will get pulled in by something important at some point. Rsyslog, for example, can send output via e-mail. Having a very simple mail-queue-and-relay program as an alternative to sendmail seems like a better choice than just ditching it. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:00:55AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: I can't remember interactive boot ever working. It does in RHEL 5. It will need to be working for RHEL 7. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
document and issues with design and intent can be addressed. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
that systemd is worth slipping for and thus enact a slip until systemd can pass the do or die test set. Either way, clearly mark the goals, let Lennart shoot for them. FTR, this sounds perfect to me. I am not opposed to systemd a priori. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
would arguably be to provide a stub /usr/sbin/sendmail that ties into a more generic event reporting interface, which in turn could be configured to send mail elsewhere but would default to popping up some sort of desktop notification. +1. C'mon, prolific desktop code guys. :) -- Matthew

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
, and then eventually it can go away. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
-optimal once they're out in the real world. Freezing these decisions too soon is one of the strong arguments for waiting until F15. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
a request, though, not a demand. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
a concise human-understandable output and the apppropriate return code -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

systemd: targets which are runlevel-like

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
of the system. Is there some way in which complete working runlevel targets are distinguished from other ones which I am missing? Thanks! -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel

a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
. I am saying, however, that it's important to get the service command working with systemctl so that people can use that instead. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel

fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
in the discussion, which, again, I appreciate, we have a chance of things going well. But from the point of view of someone actively testing systemd, it's looking pretty rocky. You can ignore that if you want, but *Fedora* can't. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
mentioning that the only reason I got involved with testing systemd is because I read the initial post and thought it seemed interesting and cool. In other words, I *have* opted in. And you're getting testing, and I'm finding bugs. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=143437 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
! It is the case. I'm starting to feel a bit like Cassandra here. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
while we fix it up. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
can. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
follow the /etc/inittab first. If if it makes sense, perhaps systemd should change the default.target to match. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
is: if AUTOEXEC.BAT had been historically checked as part of our boot process, then yes, by all means. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
Fedora 13 and RHEL 5 return 'S'. I would like to see tab-completion for systemctl working before the final release. That's a request, though, not a demand. Happy to take patches! I can work on this. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
/ FESCO deterimines that that's the best fix, it doesn't mean systemd is a failure. It means that Fedora wasn't ready for it yet. Obviously if the item in question fails both with systemd and upstart, it's a different sort of blocker. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: systemd: targets which are runlevel-like

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
: /sbin/chkconfig | grep 3:on and I get a nice, no-nonsense list. Can I get that with systemd? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
taken down for maintenance (my first reaction both here and on Solaris). -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
of blocker. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd: targets which are runlevel-like

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
running at all. But don't expect this right-away, this is not completely trivial to implement. Trust me, thinking that any of this is trivial is not a problem I am having. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
not suggesting these things to harass you, or even because I want you to make me happy. (In fact, I'm *already* happy.) I'm suggesting them because I think they're improvements that will make systemd more pleasant to use, which will in turn increase acceptance. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org

Re: systemd: targets which are runlevel-like

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
people really like systemd. If it can't be, document clearly that it's planned. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
broken thing to do. Since runlevels 3 and 5 are the ones anaconda writes this should be the safest bet. For the record, I agree that those scripts are probably horrible old kludges. It's just nice when we can not break those. So, again, thanks for reponsiveness on this, Lennart. -- Matthew Miller

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
for NetworkManager on machines that don't move around? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 07:06:06PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I don't think this is an important change, in the sense that I've noted others as important. But, like changing isolate to switch-to, it improves the user experience. With terms like isolate and maintenance, systemd comes

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
and then get out of the way when there's nothing but static interfaces defined, awesome. Perhaps this is where the conversation is relevant to the larger thread: systemd could take care of that. It could even reactivate the service if the situation changes. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:08:13AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: The compelling use case is that it doesn't make sense to maintain 2 pieces of core infrastructure code doing the same thing, especially when one's functionality is a subset of the other's. (Now the problem is that it still

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:05:01PM +0200, Jan Safranek wrote: bug number? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626794 thanks. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627277 At a minimum, this should be explained in a comment in a dummy inittab file. But I'm still holding out hope for implementation of backwards-compatibility for initdefault: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
should be clear on what's intented to work now (each user session in a unique cgroup) and insure that that's working, document (loosely) plans for the future, and define how systemd's use of cgroups should interact with other tools (like libcgroup) for this release and for the future. -- Matthew

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
) giving a concise explanation of why the new semantics are better 3) showing off the command and how to use it 4) showing something cool this give you that chkconfig doesn't offer. 1. as discussed here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/141713.html -- Matthew

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
, will be built today/tomorrow. I saw -- thanks, and looking forward to trying it. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-25 Thread Matthew Miller
/show_bug.cgi?id=626794 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
and creates cgroups automatically for services. This overlap doesn't seem good for the distribution. Dan, *could* systemd as it stands provide what you need for sandboxes? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
! -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:59:59AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Dan, *could* systemd as it stands provide what you need for sandboxes? Having looked a bit more at libcgroup, let me put this question in an entirely different way, because I understand better what's going on. So: Dan, do you use

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
haven't been paying enough attention, I guess. Why don't inherited packages hit rawhide when they get to the testing tree? Seems like that'd help a lot with the testing! -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
into updates-testing that never get released. We could revisit this policy, though. Trade-offs: rawhide more likely to get broken vs. packages more likely to get looked at in testing (I suppose that's obvious, but, y'know, for the record and all.) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
it be possible to have systemd either use libcgroup to mount these directories, or to parse the libcgroup config file to determine where to put the mounts? I hope this clears things up a little. The summary: There's not systemd vs. libcgroup; more a systemd + libcgroup = ♥ :) -- Matthew Miller mat

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
it to just work. Useful information is being generated and then lost. That shouldn't happen. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
. Okay, yeah, I was confused there between the library and the included tools. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Matthew Miller
it? Why not fix it eventually? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
the current state. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
into rawhide as well. It's certainly a discussion we could have. I'm willing to sacrifice my stable rawhide desktop system in the name of getting Fedora more testing. Where should this discussion be had? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:17:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: FESCo. rel-eng will implement it (it's a one-line koji command), but the decision isn't really rel-eng's to make unilaterally. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/452 Ahsome. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:47:14AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: OK, I just updated to v8-3 and have the latest initscripts, too. I tried to shut down twice (I invoked sudo systemctl daemon-reexec before the second time), and I still cannot power down by clicking on the power off button

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
. The screen goes black, but the mouse pointer remains on the black screen and is movable, but nothing further occurs. I have to go to a different virtual terminal, log in as root, and run systemctl isolate poweroff.target. Then, it powers off. What do the logs say? -- Matthew Miller mat

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:10:35AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: I'll copy this to the ticket as well, but there are some non-trivial roadblocks to this. Thanks for putting thought into it. I don't think it's at all urgent, but it my exposure to packages which need testing. -- Matthew Miller

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: applied, non-theoretical use of systemd

2010-08-27 Thread Matthew Miller
to shut down from text mode? Please file a bug. Where are the logs for systemd? In /var/log/messages, maybe? Yep. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-28 Thread Matthew Miller
a pretty strong interest in minimalism. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
to configure, easy to update, easy to install whether a single system or 400 systems in a lab. We we're easy to administrate in the same scenarios. This sounds like an excellent definition for what Fedora should be. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional

rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
the problem here is that we need to market Rawhide better to Fedora developers. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
pushed to Rawhide after they've been through F14 testing. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
#Start_page -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
Fedora release tree is branched in less than six months, the new features automatically become widely available. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
the end-user. I think we could manage such a rationale. It's worth a shot. The results would be instructive either way. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
are kidding. nope, I'm 100 % serious Unfortunately, then: this does not currently match reality. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
repositories do not get enough exposure or formal testing to demonstrate that an update is okay. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
is on top of the other. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
of that that would be unique is the commitment to upstream -- something which will be appreciated by few I don't think that's fair at all. Fedora is unique in a lot of ways, and a waterfall of updates isn't essential to that uniqueness. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-09-01 Thread Matthew Miller
it nicer for some purposes (like a derived distribution). My point isn't to argue about the relative virtues of different technology, but that key points of the distribution-glue are unique. And Fedora *is* fast -- see above. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-09-01 Thread Matthew Miller
to *just* the intersection you're describing. The contradictory aims may put pressure on each other, but I think the answer is in finding a proper balance, and finding ways to reduce or deflect that pressure so that the project as a whole isn't thrown off. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org

Re: systemd and changes

2010-09-02 Thread Matthew Miller
for that, by the way. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Release Notes Draft

2010-09-06 Thread Matthew Miller
explaining, if we want that transition to go smoothly. And it should be in the index under init as well as systemd. And also, it should not go under Boot -- it is a system which manages processes on the system from startup to shutdown. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: Release Notes Draft

2010-09-07 Thread Matthew Miller
to System Daemons perhaps it could go there and not get lost, but I suspect system admins would need to make lots of changes to their init scripts and I would think the first place they would look would be Boot. Can we cross-reference things? It's reasonable to look for it there. -- Matthew Miller

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:04:04PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part? Seriously. I will go buy their stuff right now. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
alerted you to the fact that the final decision was being made at this meeting. That wasn't good. But I don't think the decision would have been different. Now, let's move ahead: an awesome, solidly-integrated systemd for F15, right? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
. Let's take this discussion over to pointlessgrammarflamew...@lists.fedoraproject.org. Thanks! -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel

refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
: generally, one month after the previous release, and maybe sooner for changes affecting critical-path components. Then, the main decision for default/not-default could be at the point of the alpha release, with a second re-check before beta release. Features should not be reverted after beta. -- Matthew

Re: refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
approach. This isn't helped by the description of the Feature Submission Deadline as not being really a deadline at all: FESCo will consider features proposed after this deadline on an exception basis. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
, take a look at running Rawhide. I do on my primary desktop machine at work, and it's great. That said, I think the process for update this component to a new point release must necessarily be different from the one for replacing a core component with a completely new design. -- Matthew Miller

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