Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread rrankin
not see any way to distinguish between the two different types of devices that udev could use to tell them apart. Unless I am missing something this seems like a fatal flaw in the udev paradigm. Regards Roy Rankin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 31 octobre 2013 07:03, rran...@ihug.com.au a écrit : I have run into an issue which seems to call into question the udev paradigm for USB devices. It's not a fatal flaw it's broken hardware (and autodetection broken by device manufacturers not bothering to replace OEM id with their own

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Tom Hughes
On 31/10/13 08:42, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 31 octobre 2013 07:03, rran...@ihug.com.au a écrit : I have run into an issue which seems to call into question the udev paradigm for USB devices. It's not a fatal flaw it's broken hardware (and autodetection broken by device manufacturers not

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Tom Hughes
On 31/10/13 09:56, Tom Hughes wrote: so in short this device should be added to the greylist if it isn't there already, and then it will only be probed when such a probe is explicitly requested. and the PL2303 is indeed in the greylist:

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:52:18 +0100, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: I might be missing something, but to me that seems just life with a generic transport that doesn't have built-in identification of connected devices. This applies to RS232 (your case), but also to the (classic)

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, rran...@ihug.com.au rran...@ihug.com.au said: My USB GPS is a BU-353 which uses a pl2303 USB-Serial Controller (idVendor=067b, idProduct=2303). However, bugzilla report 878737 indicates this same interface chip is used on other devices such as RS232-USB adapters. The PL2303

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread DJ Delorie
Can you wildcard the greylist so that modemmanager *never* runs? I haven't used a modem in decades but MM keeps mucking with all my serial-connected toys. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Przemek Klosowski
and the output for RS232 devices reported on the net, I do not see any way to distinguish between the two different types of devices that udev could use to tell them apart. Unless I am missing something this seems like a fatal flaw in the udev paradigm. As the others have said, there's

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:49 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Can you wildcard the greylist so that modemmanager *never* runs? I haven't used a modem in decades but MM keeps mucking with all my serial-connected toys. You can do anything you want with the udev rules. Just put them in

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread DJ Delorie
But better yet, mind sharing which toys you have so we can update the black/greylists as appropriate? I make them myself using FTDI chips, usually, and they talk plain RS-232 using terminal emulators and such: http://www.delorie.com/electronics/ I also get a lot of eval boards with

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Dan Williams
something this seems like a fatal flaw in the udev paradigm. As the others have said, there's no way to determine what's sitting behind those serial controllers so it's not a problem with udev but with the hardware it has to handle. The default udev setting is, or at least used

Re: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?

2013-10-31 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 13:08 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: But better yet, mind sharing which toys you have so we can update the black/greylists as appropriate? I make them myself using FTDI chips, usually, and they talk plain RS-232 using terminal emulators and such:

ModemManager and generic USB hardware (was: Fatal flaw in the udev paradigm?)

2013-10-31 Thread Oron Peled
On Thursday 31 October 2013 12:00:10 Dan Williams wrote: If you're on a server, and that server does not have any SMS me when you're down functionality, then you may not want ModemManager installed there. +1 But also in other cases, like the following: * Software/hardware developer