On 1/31/2018 5:58 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
cosmetic features.
I tough lesson I've learned is that cosmetics matter, a lot. Sometimes much more
than substance. There's no getting away from it.
On Thursday, February 01, 2018 02:42:52 Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 02:24:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > I thought that *is* the color support that was added? If
> > you're expecting IDE-style syntax highlighting, I think you're
> > setting your
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 02:24:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I thought that *is* the color support that was added? If
you're expecting IDE-style syntax highlighting, I think you're
setting your expectations a little high for something that
ostensibly was banged out in a couple of hours.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 07:14:57PM -0700, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 17:16:21 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
> wrote:
> > On 1/31/2018 1:19 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > > I'd rather stick with just B
> >
> >dmd -color=off file.d
>
> I have to
On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 17:16:21 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On 1/31/2018 1:19 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > I'd rather stick with just B
>
>dmd -color=off file.d
I have to wonder if my settings are right. I've never noticed any color in
error messages. Messing around with
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:16:21PM -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 1/31/2018 1:19 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > I'd rather stick with just B
>
> dmd -color=off file.d
Thanks!
Though, as I said, it doesn't bother me quite enough to want to go
through the effort of explicitly
On 1/31/2018 1:19 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I'd rather stick with just B
dmd -color=off file.d
On 1/31/2018 11:59 AM, Seb wrote:
... and Mike did put _a lot_ of effort in pushing colorful error messages:
Yes, and he did a nice job of it.
The results are attractive, worthwhile, and resolves a specific complaint people
had about dmd's error messages.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 09:07:39PM +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 20:03:11 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> >
> > {snip} (well, I tried to get it upstream but I think upstream is a
> > brick wall and not worth trying anymore)
>
> That is very
On 1/31/2018 5:54 AM, Jack Stouffer wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton wrote:
E.g. three compilers
Every other compiled language (and a lot of scripting ones) uses the fact of
multiple compilers for the language as a sign of adoption and ecosystem growth.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:00:57 UTC, Jack Stouffer
wrote:
That's just something that Walter was able to bang out in an
hour, should have been done years ago, and was excited about.
So it isn't a big deal, but IMO that should be left to an IDE or
shell.
Back to the argument about
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
Here's a spoiler:
1) Andrei does an excellent job at managing his students [1]
and there work over the last couple of months has been
tremendous. As the experiment with UPB was very successful,
there will be more projects like this
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 21:42:47 UTC, Ali wrote:
The kinda small discussion on ycombinator
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16270841
Interesting... most of them don't grok C++, D, Java or Go... Hope
people don't look to ycombinator for answers.
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
Andrei
The kinda small discussion on ycombinator
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16270841
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 08:05:37PM +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:59:23 UTC, Seb wrote:
> > ... and Mike did put _a lot_ of effort in pushing colorful error
> > messages:
>
> Yes, that was a direct result of that forum post I alluded to. It
>
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 20:03:11 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
{snip} (well, I tried to get it upstream but I think upstream
is a brick wall and not worth trying anymore)
That is very concerning to hear.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 18:05:30 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
contribute their skills. For instance, Mike Parker's work on
the D blog has been a great improvement in communication the
past year or two.
Yep, to have a living blog is very important IMHO.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 18:05:30 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
contribute their skills. For instance, Mike Parker's work on
the D blog has been a great improvement in communication the
past year or two.
Yep, having a living blog is very important I think. It is
always something I look at when
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:59:23 UTC, Seb wrote:
... and Mike did put _a lot_ of effort in pushing colorful
error messages:
Yes, that was a direct result of that forum post I alluded to. It
isn't something he (or most anyone else, in my experience) really
cares about, but he felt if
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
Auto generated libraries where all functions are dumped into
massive one pagers.
This is why I just forked the documentation (well, I tried to get
it upstream but I think upstream is a brick wall and not worth
trying anymore)
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:54:05 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:00:57 UTC, Jack Stouffer
wrote:
For some reason this ranks below colourful error-messages.
That's just something that Walter was able to bang out in an
hour
Yet he recently, months after
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:00:57 UTC, Jack Stouffer
wrote:
For some reason this ranks below colourful error-messages.
That's just something that Walter was able to bang out in an
hour
Yet he recently, months after starting, complained that
"technical debt", specifically citing
On 01/31/2018 05:55 AM, Benny wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
Let me say this again
*uch* Never mind this rant. I am just fed up with the issues. I will not
post anymore as its just a wast of time for everybody involved.
A few of the points were
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 17:02:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim
Grøstad wrote:
Ok, and now you are entering a messy space, define "legitimate"?
Actionable, clear, and made with the intent to better the
language/ecosystem and not just to complain.
Development processes need continuous
On 1/31/18 5:35 AM, Benny wrote:
Auto generated libraries where all functions are dumped into massive one
pagers.
https://dlang.org/phobos/std_datetime_date.html
Is this readable when the first two pages are this:
jan
feb
mar
apr
may
jun
jul
aug
sep
oct
nov
dec
sun
mon
tue
wed
thu
fri
sat
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 18:16:40 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 23:36:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:12:07PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> [...]
Well,
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 12:34:01 UTC, Martin
Tschierschke wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 12:03:22 UTC, rjframe wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:55:56 +, Benny wrote:
[...]
Anyway, mostly because of your recent posts I'm going to take
a look at DlangIDE. If we can package
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
Andrei
For me personally, there are some really nasty bugs regarding
default attributes (@nogc/@safe) that prevent me from using D in
personal code projects.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 17:30:54 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:20:59PM +, Seb via Digitalmars-d
Please let us know what would help you to find this page
quicker.
Wow. I set out *deliberately* looking for that link, and
couldn't find it until I looked at
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 23:36:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:12:07PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> [...]
Well, it isn't relevant for those people who would adopt D
anyway.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 17:02:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim
Grøstad wrote:
Is it? Why do so many people have problems with it then?
Stupidity?
Perhaps the D front page can say "Now with 1 Standard Library!" ;)
Ok, and now you are entering a messy space, define
"legitimate"? I think the
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 17:30:54 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Wow. I set out *deliberately* looking for that link, and
couldn't find it until I looked at your screenshot. I
definitely wouldn't have found it if I didn't even know it was
there.
I'm no UI consultant, but that link
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 16:13:51 UTC, John Gabriele
wrote:
I've never seen that page. Would've helped me to see it
earlier. The D download page should include a blurb with a link
to that install page.
BTW that's why opening issues is so important:
- everyone has a different
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 16:13:51 UTC, John Gabriele
wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
That's only an issue on Windows.
For Posix there's the official install.sh script [1].
[1] https://dlang.org/install.html
I've never seen that page. Would've helped
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 05:20:59PM +, Seb via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 16:13:51 UTC, John Gabriele wrote:
> > I've never seen that page. Would've helped me to see it earlier. The
> > D download page should include a blurb with a link to that install
> > page.
>
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 16:13:51 UTC, John Gabriele
wrote:
I've never seen that page. Would've helped me to see it
earlier. The D download page should include a blurb with a link
to that install page.
They are there - hover over them:
https://imgur.com/a/JvZwI
I submitted it
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 16:13:51 UTC, John Gabriele
wrote:
I've never seen that page. Would've helped me to see it
earlier. The D download page should include a blurb with a link
to that install page.
I tried going to github.com/dlang/dlang.org, finding the
download page, and
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
* three compilers
Not sure why that's a bad thing. They all have their ups and
downs:
- dmd SUPER fast compilation
- ldc multiarch + good optimization + cross-compilation
-
On 1/31/18 9:13 AM, John Gabriele wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
And 3 different installation method's depending on the platform.
Windows: DMD installer, LDC manually extract zip and setup path, GDC
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 14:22:03 UTC, Jack Stouffer
wrote:
It's quite easy to tell when criticism is made in good or bad
faith
Is it? Why do so many people have problems with it then?
Stupidity?
and at this point I'm going to reply to every rant in bad faith
on here about how
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 13:54:25 UTC, Jack Stouffer
wrote:
I've only ever seen people complain about D in this area. Never
once have I seen someone argue that the existence of PyPy hurts
Python or gogcc hurts Go.
Well, I've seen that people think that MS C++ is keeping C++ back
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
And 3 different installation method's depending on the
platform.
Windows: DMD installer, LDC manually extract zip and setup
path, GDC ...
That's only an issue on Windows.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:55:56 UTC, Benny wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
Let me say this again
*uch* Never mind this rant. I am just fed up with the issues. I
will not post anymore as its just a wast of time for everybody
involved.
It's quite
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton
wrote:
E.g. three compilers
Every other compiled language (and a lot of scripting ones) uses
the fact of multiple compilers for the language as a sign of
adoption and ecosystem growth.
I've only ever seen people complain about D
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton
wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
Andrei
I think that the largest issue there is probably the marketing
and advocacy. When Rust
It would be really nice if we could know about current WIP a little bit
more... And regularly.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
[...]
This is about to change soon for D. There's WIP to use
OpenCollective
The announcement should happen soon.
Stay tuned!
[...]
Here's a spoiler:
1) Andrei does an excellent job at managing his students [1]
and there work over the
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 12:03:22 UTC, rjframe wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:55:56 +, Benny wrote:
[...]
Anyway, mostly because of your recent posts I'm going to take a
look at DlangIDE. If we can package a cross-platform
IDE+compiler+dub as a single download and you're ready to
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote:
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
[...]
Not sure why that's a bad thing. They all have their ups and
downs:
[...]
That's the most refreshing post on D future since a long time.
Thanks, really.
/Paolo
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:55:56 +, Benny wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
>> Let me say this again
>
> *uch* Never mind this rant. I am just fed up with the issues. I will not
> post anymore as its just a wast of time for everybody involved.
I wouldn't call
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
* three compilers
Not sure why that's a bad thing. They all have their ups and
downs:
- dmd SUPER fast compilation
- ldc multiarch + good optimization + cross-compilation
- gdc multiarch + good optimization (in many cases better
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
I told before if there is no leadership to focus resources and
the main developers are more focused on adding more features to
the compiler that is already overflowing, then how do you
expect to see things solved?
Yes, that is
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote:
Let me say this again
*uch* Never mind this rant. I am just fed up with the issues. I
will not post anymore as its just a wast of time for everybody
involved.
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton
wrote:
If I had to pick a second issue, it's that the ecosystem story
is hard compared to other languages. New programmers aren't
certain what to choose or how to get their environment up and
running. Compared against Rust, Go, and
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 06:27:05 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
And lets not forget Arduino, ESP286 and ESP32 are making
wonders for the kids to jump into C++ as their first language.
That's interesting, MS got a lot of traction for BASIC by making
it available in ROM on basically (no pun
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 04:55 +, thedeemon via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 22:38:20 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
> wrote:
> > > > https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
> > >
> > > [...]
> > At best responses would go on Quora, not here. Thanks! --
T,
Arguing things on this list serves no purpose other than to rehearse
arguments. The place to say things about stuff on Quora is on Quora as
Walter, Laeeth, and I have done in this case.
On Tue, 2018-01-30 at 13:02 -0800, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 03:45:44PM
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
Andrei
I think that the largest issue there is probably the marketing
and advocacy. When Rust was about the same share as D, it had
much better marketing.
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 22:43:32 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
"extremely eefficient native code". I don't argue that C++
has extremely efficient native code. But so has D. So the
claim that C++ has an "enormous
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 04:55:02 UTC, thedeemon wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 22:38:20 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
[...]
At best responses would go on Quora, not here. Thanks! --
Andrei
That's a question from
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 22:38:20 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
[...]
At best responses would go on Quora, not here. Thanks! -- Andrei
That's a question from 2014. I wonder if anybody would see those
answers.
On 1/30/2018 1:02 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Where's C++'s "enormous performance advantage?" I'm not seeing it,
except in this article, and, presumably, in the author's imagination.
I know C, C++, and D code generation semantics. There is only one case where
C/C++ can fundamentally generate
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:12:07PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > Meaning, the "enormous performance advantage" is because of
> > "extremely eefficient native code". I don't argue that C++ has
> > extremely
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
"extremely eefficient native code". I don't argue that C++ has
extremely efficient native code. But so has D. So the claim
that C++ has an "enormous performance advantage" over D is
specious.
We also need to keep in mind that
On 01/30/2018 04:02 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 03:45:44PM -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
[...]
I actually agree with all of his points, except one: C++'s "enormous
performance advantage"?! Is he
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:49:39 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Meaning, the "enormous performance advantage" is because of
"extremely eefficient native code". I don't argue that C++ has
extremely efficient native code. But so has D. So the claim
that C++ has an "enormous performance
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 09:49:46PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:43:45 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
> > Thats not completly true, last time I tried some of best c++ version
> > from http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/. I was able to write
Yes, than you are right
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:43:45 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
>
>> Thats not completly true, last time I tried some of best c++ version from
>>
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:43:45 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:
Thats not completly true, last time I tried some of best c++
version from http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/. I was
able to write much idiomatic D code which was faster than c++
witch use some specific libraries and so on.
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:30:06 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 09:26:30PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Specific examples, please. What are some examples of these
"performance related options"?
Supported concurrency options and tuning etc.
Thats not completly true, last time I tried some of best c++ version from
http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/. I was able to write much
idiomatic D code which was faster than c++ witch use some specific
libraries and so on. So my experience is that D is same or faster than C++
On Tue, Jan
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 09:26:30PM +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:02:13 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 03:45:44PM -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu via
> > Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > >
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 21:02:13 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 03:45:44PM -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu
via Digitalmars-d wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
[...]
I actually agree with all of his points, except one: C++'s
"enormous
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 03:45:44PM -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++
[...]
I actually agree with all of his points, except one: C++'s "enormous
performance advantage"?! Is he being serious? Or is his view biased by
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