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On 2011-06-21 02:39, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Brightnewshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:itols1$2mh5$1...@digitalmars.com... On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Sadly, any DRM books you buy on the Nook aren't usable on the Kindle and vice versa. Yup. DRM sucks. I have a Kindle, the one with the lager screen, and haven't bought a single book from their store. I only read DRM free PDF books and files. I'm satisfied with my Kindle. -- /Jacob Carlborg
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On 6/20/2011 11:37 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: I have a Kindle, the one with the lager screen, You mean one comes with free beer? Dang, I missed that in the feature chart!
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Kagamin s...@here.lot wrote in message news:itp8ke$ip5$1...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky Wrote: I don't buy DVDs anymore, but for different reasons: PUOs, DRM, and Libraries. Wait. You mean printed books libraries? They rent video content in America? Yup. And CDs. Some of them even have a few videogames. At least this is all true in the Cleveland area anyway. I don't know about other parts of the country.
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Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote in message news:itprae$1it6$1...@digitalmars.com... Kagamin s...@here.lot wrote in message news:itp8ke$ip5$1...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky Wrote: I don't buy DVDs anymore, but for different reasons: PUOs, DRM, and Libraries. Wait. You mean printed books libraries? They rent video content in America? Yup. And CDs. Some of them even have a few videogames. And audiobooks. At least this is all true in the Cleveland area anyway. I don't know about other parts of the country.
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Nick Sabalausky Wrote: The increase is not exorbitant. From what I remember it was 1.29 instead of .99 per song. Interesting. Yea, I guess my info on that is out of date then. Last I heard they had just started adding the option (to some songs) of paying $0.30 extra to get a DRM-less lossless version. Glad to hear that turned out to just be a stepping stone. ? 0.99+0.30=1.29 They just removed an option to dl drm version at a lower price.
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On 2011-06-21 11:57, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/20/2011 11:37 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: I have a Kindle, the one with the lager screen, You mean one comes with free beer? Dang, I missed that in the feature chart! Exactly, they have one version that comes with ale instead :) -- /Jacob Carlborg
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Am 21.06.2011 01:37, schrieb Walter Bright: On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Sadly, any DRM books you buy on the Nook aren't usable on the Kindle and vice versa. (I sent this reply yesterday, but it seems like the server lost it) DRM is generally a bad idea - especially for stuff you buy and not just rent. Once the DRM servers are down (because the company is bankrupt or stops the service) your books/music/movies/... are gone. Because of that I'd never buy E-Books or music with DRM - if I buy a book I want to be able to read it again in 20 years - same with music. Plus I want to be able to play music on any device (like my car radio) and not just on my PC or iPod. So I agree with Nick: Until E-Books are DRM free (and have a standard format that works on any E-Book reader, but I think this is already available) they (hopefully!) won't supersede paperbacks. Another thing is that I actually like having real books in my shelf, just like CDs and computer games (it already pisses me off that the they are usually distributed in DVD cases now and not anymore in these big cardboard boxes). Cheers, - Daniel
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On 6/21/2011 6:04 AM, Daniel Gibson wrote: Another thing is that I actually like having real books in my shelf, just like CDs and computer games (it already pisses me off that the they are usually distributed in DVD cases now and not anymore in these big cardboard boxes). I do too, until there get to be too many of them! Then they're a burden. I have too many. I don't mind DRM on things that I rent, such as Netflix movies. I'd have no problem renting books from Amazon that are DRM'd. I'd pay some modest monthly fee to Amazon if I could 'rent' one book at a time on my Kindle, up to so many per month. I also wouldn't mind DRM if the cost is low enough, but most DRM books on the Kindle are at price points where I'd want to own them free clear.
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Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:op.vxfgdv1ceav7ka@localhost.localdomain... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:04:13 -0400, Daniel Gibson metalcae...@gmail.com wrote: Am 21.06.2011 01:37, schrieb Walter Bright: On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Sadly, any DRM books you buy on the Nook aren't usable on the Kindle and vice versa. (I sent this reply yesterday, but it seems like the server lost it) DRM is generally a bad idea - especially for stuff you buy and not just rent. Once the DRM servers are down (because the company is bankrupt or stops the service) your books/music/movies/... are gone. This actually happened with Yahoo music. I had about 60 songs in Yahoo music (used to be MusicMatch) that had DRM in them when they decided to close up shop. Want to know what their solution was? Burn them to CD and then re-rip them. Imagine that, a music download site *promoting* removing the DRM from music! After a certain date, if you hadn't done that, and your computer crashed, you were SOL. Heh, so the only way Yahoo allowed you to keep the music you legitimately bought is by degrading the quality (I'm assuming they weren't lossless to begin with?). About what I'd expect from those yahoos.
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Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote in message news:itpus1$1odg$1...@digitalmars.com... On 2011-06-21 11:57, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/20/2011 11:37 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: I have a Kindle, the one with the lager screen, You mean one comes with free beer? Dang, I missed that in the feature chart! Exactly, they have one version that comes with ale instead :) I bet those would go well with that Windows book by Pretzold.
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/21/2011 6:04 AM, Daniel Gibson wrote: Another thing is that I actually like having real books in my shelf, just like CDs and computer games (it already pisses me off that the they are usually distributed in DVD cases now and not anymore in these big cardboard boxes). I do too, until there get to be too many of them! Then they're a burden. I have too many. I don't mind DRM on things that I rent, such as Netflix movies. I'd have no problem renting books from Amazon that are DRM'd. I'd pay some modest monthly fee to Amazon if I could 'rent' one book at a time on my Kindle, up to so many per month. I also wouldn't mind DRM if the cost is low enough, but most DRM books on the Kindle are at price points where I'd want to own them free clear. yall forgetting about digital libraries such as http://my.safaribooksonline.com/ As a university student I get free access and I can read anything anywhere. The idea of ownership is obsolete. Strategic access is the future.
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:27:52 -0400, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:op.vxfgdv1ceav7ka@localhost.localdomain... On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:04:13 -0400, Daniel Gibson metalcae...@gmail.com wrote: Am 21.06.2011 01:37, schrieb Walter Bright: On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Sadly, any DRM books you buy on the Nook aren't usable on the Kindle and vice versa. (I sent this reply yesterday, but it seems like the server lost it) DRM is generally a bad idea - especially for stuff you buy and not just rent. Once the DRM servers are down (because the company is bankrupt or stops the service) your books/music/movies/... are gone. This actually happened with Yahoo music. I had about 60 songs in Yahoo music (used to be MusicMatch) that had DRM in them when they decided to close up shop. Want to know what their solution was? Burn them to CD and then re-rip them. Imagine that, a music download site *promoting* removing the DRM from music! After a certain date, if you hadn't done that, and your computer crashed, you were SOL. Heh, so the only way Yahoo allowed you to keep the music you legitimately bought is by degrading the quality (I'm assuming they weren't lossless to begin with?). About what I'd expect from those yahoos. The quality was not bad, it was 360k I believe. The quality certainly was not an issue (even after burning and re-encoding using iTunes). What was (and still is, since I haven't finished doing it!) an issue is the process to de-authorize the content. It would have been nicer to provide a tool to do it instead of making me 1) waste writable CDs, 2) waste time burning CDs and 3) waste time trying to figure out what tags to put on each song. But in the end, having playable songs is better than just having to throw away the songs, and what am I going to do, complain to some business that's going out of business? :) Yeah, DRM is sucky, especially for things like books and music. I can see it being used for some place that you rent/borrow things (library/netflix), but to sell me a copy and not let me do what I want with it is crap. -Steve
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Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.1085.1308685320.14074.digitalmars-d-annou...@puremagic.com... On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 6/21/2011 6:04 AM, Daniel Gibson wrote: Another thing is that I actually like having real books in my shelf, just like CDs and computer games (it already pisses me off that the they are usually distributed in DVD cases now and not anymore in these big cardboard boxes). I do too, until there get to be too many of them! Then they're a burden. I have too many. I don't mind DRM on things that I rent, such as Netflix movies. I'd have no problem renting books from Amazon that are DRM'd. I'd pay some modest monthly fee to Amazon if I could 'rent' one book at a time on my Kindle, up to so many per month. I also wouldn't mind DRM if the cost is low enough, but most DRM books on the Kindle are at price points where I'd want to own them free clear. yall forgetting about digital libraries such as http://my.safaribooksonline.com/ As a university student I get free access and I can read anything anywhere. The idea of ownership is obsolete. Strategic access is the future. s/obsolete/not trendy/ s/Strategic/Restricted/
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On 6/20/11 10:56 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: They won't die out. They'll just become rarer. Just like vinyl (and you can still buy vinyl!). I hope you are not talking about the trees! ;-)
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Andrew Wiley wiley.andre...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Charles Hixson charleshi...@earthlink.net wrote: Considering that Amazon has the proven capability of removing a book from your Kindle after you've bought it, I don't expect that I'll EVER decide to invest in a Kindle. Some other e-book reader is a possibility. The Nook has certain interesting features, and there's one that would be a good choice if it weren't twice as expensive as the competition. I own an original basic Nook, and I'm very satisfied. One of the cool things for people that like messing with these things is that the Nook is running Android, deep deep down, so I can install custom apps and WPA Supplicant configs to get on my University Wifi. I can literally drop PDFs and EPUBs (and probably a bunch of other formats I haven't had to use) onto the Nook with no external applications and have them detected and available for reading. The Nook simple touch (the new basic one) is also very appealing. I've seen it in stores, and it feels a lot more like a paperback. On the other hand, the Nook Color has Angry Birds. I can't argue with that :D Also, the E-Ink Nook is the same price as the Kindle.
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Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. - Jonathan M Davis There's a solution: http://smellofbooks.com/
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On 2011-06-20 00:11, Don wrote: Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. - Jonathan M Davis There's a solution: http://smellofbooks.com/ Ouch. - Jonathan M Davis
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Walter: With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore. You find time still to watch movies! :-) Bye, bearophile
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Walter Bright wrote: On 6/20/2011 12:11 AM, Don wrote: There's a solution: http://smellofbooks.com/ It says it's a new book smell. I actually like the old book smell. Check the full product list. There's an old book smell as well. And Eau, you have cats. Make sure you read the warnings.
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:57:22 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: The one thing I'm not ripping are movies. Netflix has changed everything for me. With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore. Netflix streaming + apple TV is life changing. I barely ever watch TV anymore (and I have a TiVo HD too). Although I did make an exception for the Bruin's Stanley Cup championship :) -Steve
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: I'm very happy to announce that TDPL has entered the Amazon Kindle bestsellers list for Computer Programming, starting at position 94: http://www.amazon.com/gp/**bestsellers/digital-text/** 156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_**1_5_lasthttp://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_1_5_last Andrei I just got it for the Kindle so I'm going to go ahead and attribute this success to myself. Go me and my money! Once I finish it I'll write a review. Maybe that'll bump it up a spot in the best reviewed category ;)
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On 6/20/11 3:28 AM, Brad Anderson wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org mailto:seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: I'm very happy to announce that TDPL has entered the Amazon Kindle bestsellers list for Computer Programming, starting at position 94: http://www.amazon.com/gp/__bestsellers/digital-text/__156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc___1_5_last http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_1_5_last Andrei I just got it for the Kindle so I'm going to go ahead and attribute this success to myself. Go me and my money! That must be indeed true. TDPL only stayed briefly on the bestsellers list, and that was because of a brief surge in Kindle sales this weekend. Once I finish it I'll write a review. Maybe that'll bump it up a spot in the best reviewed category ;) Well don't assume your review will be favorable before you finish reading :o). Thanks, Andrei
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On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Than again, most consumers are complete morons...(The dancing pigs theory and all that...) Notice that DRM has faded away on downloadable music. I suspect there will be increasing pressure to remove it for books, too.
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On 6/20/2011 12:02 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I can have a whole bunch of them out at one time, 10+, etc, no problem. Sounds like your Ohio system is great. There isn't one like that here. Anyhow, I thought that only one DVD at a time would be an issue with Netflix. Turns out, it is fine. It winds up being about 2 a week. There's plenty of streaming stuff in between DVDs. I don't really need a reason to watch more DVDs!
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Speaking of DRM, I can't believe Sony is so dumb as to block videos on youtube from being seen from other countries. How is that going to make me want to buy their music? Same goes for other major labels. They might as well put a message on the video: We don't think you deserve to watch our music videos. But have you tried torrenting?.
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:49:33 -0400, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ito7i8$1tb7$1...@digitalmars.com... On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Than again, most consumers are complete morons...(The dancing pigs theory and all that...) Notice that DRM has faded away on downloadable music. Has it? I really haven't been paying attention to (legally) downloadable music since when I did look at it, it was all either heavily DRMed or MP3. I know the iTunes store started offering DRM-less stuff, but they were charging extra for it, so I wasn't interested (especially since I could rip the DRM out myself). iTunes (at least the music part of it) is DRM free. You can no longer download DRM'd songs from apple (and you can re-download DRM-free versions of any songs you purchased before they made this change for free). Yes, they are charging more for some songs, and less for others. But as far as I know, there is no fee for removing DRM. The increase in price was a compromise to get the artists to agree to remove DRM from all the songs. They are also charging less in some cases (but probably only on songs nobody wants :). The increase is not exorbitant. From what I remember it was 1.29 instead of .99 per song. I don't know the exact details, I haven't bought many songs from iTunes, my current ripped tracks are usually good enough :) -Steve
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Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:op.vxecf1treav7ka@localhost.localdomain... On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:49:33 -0400, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ito7i8$1tb7$1...@digitalmars.com... On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Than again, most consumers are complete morons...(The dancing pigs theory and all that...) Notice that DRM has faded away on downloadable music. Has it? I really haven't been paying attention to (legally) downloadable music since when I did look at it, it was all either heavily DRMed or MP3. I know the iTunes store started offering DRM-less stuff, but they were charging extra for it, so I wasn't interested (especially since I could rip the DRM out myself). iTunes (at least the music part of it) is DRM free. You can no longer download DRM'd songs from apple (and you can re-download DRM-free versions of any songs you purchased before they made this change for free). Yes, they are charging more for some songs, and less for others. But as far as I know, there is no fee for removing DRM. The increase in price was a compromise to get the artists to agree to remove DRM from all the songs. They are also charging less in some cases (but probably only on songs nobody wants :). The increase is not exorbitant. From what I remember it was 1.29 instead of .99 per song. I don't know the exact details, I haven't bought many songs from iTunes, my current ripped tracks are usually good enough :) Interesting. Yea, I guess my info on that is out of date then. Last I heard they had just started adding the option (to some songs) of paying $0.30 extra to get a DRM-less lossless version. Glad to hear that turned out to just be a stepping stone.
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On 2011-06-20 15:51, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:49:33 -0400, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ito7i8$1tb7$1...@digitalmars.com... On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Than again, most consumers are complete morons...(The dancing pigs theory and all that...) Notice that DRM has faded away on downloadable music. Has it? I really haven't been paying attention to (legally) downloadable music since when I did look at it, it was all either heavily DRMed or MP3. I know the iTunes store started offering DRM-less stuff, but they were charging extra for it, so I wasn't interested (especially since I could rip the DRM out myself). iTunes (at least the music part of it) is DRM free. You can no longer download DRM'd songs from apple (and you can re-download DRM-free versions of any songs you purchased before they made this change for free). Yes, they are charging more for some songs, and less for others. But as far as I know, there is no fee for removing DRM. The increase in price was a compromise to get the artists to agree to remove DRM from all the songs. They are also charging less in some cases (but probably only on songs nobody wants :). The increase is not exorbitant. From what I remember it was 1.29 instead of .99 per song. I don't know the exact details, I haven't bought many songs from iTunes, my current ripped tracks are usually good enough :) Personally, I don't deal with any download-to-own music, because they always seem to sell it in lossy formats. When they actually start selling music in a lossless format like FLAC, then I might start looking at them. But until then, I might as well just buy the CDs and rip them myself. - Jonathan M Davis
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On 6/20/2011 12:13 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I've been guessing that will only happen when DRM starts going away. Sadly, any DRM books you buy on the Nook aren't usable on the Kindle and vice versa.
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Nick Sabalausky Wrote: I don't buy DVDs anymore, but for different reasons: PUOs, DRM, and Libraries. Wait. You mean printed books libraries? They rent video content in America?
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On 6/18/2011 5:36 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I'm very happy to announce that TDPL has entered the Amazon Kindle bestsellers list for Computer Programming, starting at position 94: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_1_5_last Congrats!
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On 2011-06-18 17:36, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I'm very happy to announce that TDPL has entered the Amazon Kindle bestsellers list for Computer Programming, starting at position 94: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/156140011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_ kinc_1_5_last Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) Definitely good news. Now if we could only finish getting the issues where the compiler is behind TDPL fixed... - Jonathan M Davis
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On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them!
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On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. - Jonathan M Davis
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On 6/19/2011 2:18 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. Your last sentence is interesting. I've read many accounts by people who had such a sentiment, and then skeptically thought they'd give an ebook a fair try. After a year, they completely changed their minds. Anyhow, I hear you. I've been buying books my whole life. I have shelves creaking with them, boxes of books in the basement, etc. They've simply become a burden. I'd simply like to get all my information properties - pictures, books, papers, music, movies, letters, documents - onto a disk. They'll be always there, sorted, categorized, instantly available, weighing nothing, and taking up no space. The advent of enormous and cheap disks has finally made this practical. The migration of my books to the computer has awaited an easy way to read them. The Kindle has finally solved that problem, at least for paperbacks. It doesn't work well for larger books (I presume the Kindle DX will, but I think I'd prefer an ipad for large format books.) I'm scanning my paperbacks to PDFs, and the Kindle will display them one page image at a time. DRM is not an issue for that. After a bit of a learning curve, I've got it where it doesn't take much time at all to whack off the binding and run a paperback through my sheet fed scanner. The one thing I'm not ripping are movies. Netflix has changed everything for me. With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore.
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On 2011-06-19 20:43, Ary Manzana wrote: On 6/20/11 4:18 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;) I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. - Jonathan M Davis Say that to the trees :-) Honestly, I don't care. As long as people are smart about logging, trees are a completely renewable resource. But I don't want to turn this into an environment debate. I don't like reading off screens - especially small screens. I much prefer actual books. And I have no problem with other people wanting e-books just so long as it doesn't result in my not being to get physical books anymore. I'm just afraid that the general trend will lead to physical books dying out, which I would consider to be horrible for reading - especially for novels. - Jonathan M Davis
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They won't die out. They'll just become rarer. Just like vinyl (and you can still buy vinyl!).
Re: TDPL is an Amazon Kindle bestseller
Considering that Amazon has the proven capability of removing a book from your Kindle after you've bought it, I don't expect that I'll EVER decide to invest in a Kindle. Some other e-book reader is a possibility. The Nook has certain interesting features, and there's one that would be a good choice if it weren't twice as expensive as the competition. But until I feel safe investing in an e-book reader, I don't expect to buy one. (And invest is the term. It's not so much the cost of the reader, as the cost of the things read...that can't easily and reliably be either read or transferred to another reader.) On 06/19/2011 06:57 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/19/2011 2:18 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote: I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them! I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to. Your last sentence is interesting. I've read many accounts by people who had such a sentiment, and then skeptically thought they'd give an ebook a fair try. After a year, they completely changed their minds. Anyhow, I hear you. I've been buying books my whole life. I have shelves creaking with them, boxes of books in the basement, etc. They've simply become a burden. I'd simply like to get all my information properties - pictures, books, papers, music, movies, letters, documents - onto a disk. They'll be always there, sorted, categorized, instantly available, weighing nothing, and taking up no space. The advent of enormous and cheap disks has finally made this practical. The migration of my books to the computer has awaited an easy way to read them. The Kindle has finally solved that problem, at least for paperbacks. It doesn't work well for larger books (I presume the Kindle DX will, but I think I'd prefer an ipad for large format books.) I'm scanning my paperbacks to PDFs, and the Kindle will display them one page image at a time. DRM is not an issue for that. After a bit of a learning curve, I've got it where it doesn't take much time at all to whack off the binding and run a paperback through my sheet fed scanner. The one thing I'm not ripping are movies. Netflix has changed everything for me. With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore.
