Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-31 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 30 August 2018 at 11:45:00 UTC, Joakim wrote: (Quoting from the article I think). Kuhn and Lakatos. Paradigm shifts don't take place when the dominant paradigm is defeated by logical or empirical means. Paradigm shifts take place when for some reason people say "how about we

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 12:26:25 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 11:55:33 UTC, Joakim wrote: "So how do you change paradigms? Thomas Kuhn, who wrote the seminal book about the great paradigm shifts of science, has a lot to say about that. In a nutshell, you keep

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-26 Thread Bastiaan Veelo via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 24 August 2018 at 03:06:40 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote: I don't have much influence on the first 4 types of "leverage points" in D, but I have a suggestion for a new "rule of the system" (5th most important type of leverage point). Require reviews from any user before merging their

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-23 Thread Jonathan Marler via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: A friend recommended this article: http://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/ I found it awesome and would recommend to anyone in this community. Worth a close read - no skimming,

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-22 Thread Mike Franklin via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: where are the best leverage points in making the D language more successful. I'm still internalizing the article and thinking about how it applies to the "D system", but I've always thought facilitating the

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-22 Thread John Carter via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 at 13:17:00 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 03:57:10 UTC, John Carter wrote: * Choice. ie. Programmers _want_ to use it, not are constrained to use it. * For programming activity, not new projects. ie. The era of vast tracts of green field

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-22 Thread JN via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 at 13:28:37 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 08:31:15 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: That's what Im trying to say. Im sure posts like that are popular within the D community but they are not going to make much headway bringing new users in. We had "D

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-22 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 08:31:15 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: That's what Im trying to say. Im sure posts like that are popular within the D community but they are not going to make much headway bringing new users in. We had "D parser smokes the competition" posts.

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-22 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 03:57:10 UTC, John Carter wrote: * Choice. ie. Programmers _want_ to use it, not are constrained to use it. * For programming activity, not new projects. ie. The era of vast tracts of green field programming is long gone. We're mostly in the era tinker toys and

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 08:31:15 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: n production. Im not trying to be negative but if Nim or Rust released a blog post saying "We made find faster" is it going to get you to try them out? Is it enough of an enticement to get over you preconceptions about those

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 12:26:25 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 11:55:33 UTC, Joakim wrote: Finally, regarding leverage, I keep pointing out that mobile has seen a resurgence of AoT-compiled native languages, but nobody seems to be trying D out in that fertile

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 08:31:15 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 03:04:30 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:52:44 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: What you need a blog post saying the GC has been made 4x faster. Stuff like that, hey we made D much better

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 11:55:33 UTC, Joakim wrote: "So how do you change paradigms? Thomas Kuhn, who wrote the seminal book about the great paradigm shifts of science, has a lot to say about that. In a nutshell, you keep pointing at the anomalies and failures in the old paradigm, you

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 04:46:35 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 18:49:53 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: A friend recommended this article:

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-20 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 20 August 2018 at 03:04:30 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:52:44 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: What you need a blog post saying the GC has been made 4x faster. Stuff like that, hey we made D much better now, not stuff about some corporate user who does targeted

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 18:49:53 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: A friend recommended this article: http://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/ I found it awesome and would recommend to

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread John Carter via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 22:20:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2018 9:59 AM, Jonathan Marler wrote: In your mind, what defines the D language's level of success? It no longer needs me or Andrei. I think that is a pretty weak measure. Stroustrup and Matsumoto are still actively

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:52:44 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: What you need a blog post saying the GC has been made 4x faster. Stuff like that, hey we made D much better now, not stuff about some corporate user who does targeted advertising. If you look through the blog, you'll find posts

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 21:59:15 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:52:44 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: I'm of the complete opposite opinion. Everyone like to make money, especially more than the industry average; and we should push the narrative that using D lets

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:52:44 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Stuff like that, hey we made D much better now, not stuff about some corporate user who does targeted advertising. I'm of the complete opposite opinion. Everyone like to make money, especially more than the industry average; and we

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 19:11:03 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 18:49:53 UTC, Joakim wrote: they got their team trained up on D. We could stand to talk more about Sociomantic, D's biggest corporate success so far, I'll put out an email to Don. I've got a series

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 19 August 2018 at 18:49:53 UTC, Joakim wrote: they got their team trained up on D. We could stand to talk more about Sociomantic, D's biggest corporate success so far, I'll put out an email to Don. I've got a series on Sociomantic in the works for the blog.

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: A friend recommended this article: http://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/ I found it awesome and would recommend to anyone in this community. Worth a close read - no skimming,

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 20/08/2018 1:51 AM, Jonathan Marler wrote: On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 22:20:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2018 9:59 AM, Jonathan Marler wrote: In your mind, what defines the D language's level of success? It no longer needs me or Andrei. Yes, I think this state would be a

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-19 Thread Jonathan Marler via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 22:20:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/18/2018 9:59 AM, Jonathan Marler wrote: In your mind, what defines the D language's level of success? It no longer needs me or Andrei. Yes, I think this state would be a good indicator of success. This requires

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-18 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 8/18/2018 9:59 AM, Jonathan Marler wrote: In your mind, what defines the D language's level of success? It no longer needs me or Andrei.

Re: [OT] Leverage Points

2018-08-18 Thread Jonathan Marler via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 18 August 2018 at 13:33:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: A friend recommended this article: http://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/ I found it awesome and would recommend to anyone in this community. Worth a close read - no skimming,