[digitalradio] Curmudgions and an idea for digital operation

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
jim writes: > Look I'm not saying we shouldn't volunteer. However, beware strangers > bearing gifts and all that. I don't know how old you are but you > appear to have a bias against us older folks. To be clear: my "old fart" comment is in reference to a mindset and behavior, not any individua

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Howard Brown
I have to toss in my two cents here. I was a member of ARES for many years. We provided communications for search and rescue in the mountains of New Mexico back in the '70s. We also provided communications for the Forest Service during forest fires. We had a ham RTTY station in the Forest Se

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
Andrew O'Brien wrote: > But Alan, I deal with medical emergencies several times per week! Understood. With doctors, medical staff & equipment to handle that. Now take all that away. The need is still there, you just lost all the infrastructure to handle it different situation entirely > I poin

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Rick
I'm a bit surprised to see you say it this way, Andy. We have a push here in my Section for all hospitals, under a grant to consider the installation of an amateur radio VHF antenna, feedline, and power supply as a basic radio communication framework in case of emergency. Depending upon any oth

FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communicat

2008-01-09 Thread jgorman01
These are quotes from comments filed with the fcc, not on qrz. Obviously the fcc commenter feels obsessed with using ham radio for emcomms also. To the point of using it for day to day operations. This isn't just an individual by the way, it is several of the organizations he works for. Look I'

[digitalradio] Help files in vbdigi

2008-01-09 Thread jhaynesatalumni
I have vbdigi installed in D:\Program Files\NBEMS The help files are in there but when I click on help in vbdigi it doesn't find them. Where is it looking for them?

RE: FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communicat

2008-01-09 Thread dalite01
Another FWIW... Digital Sound Card modes are alive and well on NTIA frequencies. On any given week, there are at least 15 hours of digital net operation (in the Region I am in ) using MT-63, Olivia and now Contestia. Easy Pal is also being looked over as a mode to send ultra high resolutio

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
On Jan 9, 2008 10:15 PM, Scott Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you Andy. Now you better duck. You have maligned the sacred > cow of ham radio. > > Scott/K6IX > Hi Scott. Aside from amateur radio equipment and satellite phone's, my hospital used the grant money for zillion d

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
But Alan, I deal with medical emergencies several times per week! As I pointed out in my original post, I don't question that we have many ham's that provide emergency communications. I do question the integrity of amateur radio claims, and feel that it's capabilities are vastly overstated. Yes

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Scott Hill
Thank you Andy. Now you better duck. You have maligned the sacred cow of ham radio. Scott/K6IX Andrew O'Brien wrote: > FYI, my hospital OWNS the ham equipment deployed at the facility. > ARES/RACES provides operators but we retain ownership of anything we > paid for out of Govt grants. I insi

Re: FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communicat

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
jgorman01 wrote: > Let me post a couple of quotes from a comment to rm-11392 and then > tell me that no government or organization in the US will use the > amateur equipment they purchase, EVER, for their own purposes when > they feel the financial pinch that you mention. > And so you feel we h

FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communicat

2008-01-09 Thread jgorman01
Let me post a couple of quotes from a comment to rm-11392 and then tell me that no government or organization in the US will use the amateur equipment they purchase, EVER, for their own purposes when they feel the financial pinch that you mention. "As an active member of numerous emergency respons

Re: [digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
Andrew O'Brien wrote: > I think that much of the "hams in emcomms" is a scam , or a way for > hams to "play" firefighter/cop/medic without actually having to be > one.The "scam" is the spreading of the concept that us hams sit > around all days looking for that ship's SOS or waiting for Skywa

Re: FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Alan Barrow
Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons wrote: > It does amaze me to see some members of the amateur radio community > start whining after public and/or private agencies officially recognize > > ***and support*** the value of the amateur radio service during disaster > response and recovery operations Elaine,

[digitalradio] Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
FYI, my hospital OWNS the ham equipment deployed at the facility. ARES/RACES provides operators but we retain ownership of anything we paid for out of Govt grants. I insisted on it , as a hospital official, since I know how fickle some hams organizations can be. Despite many clearly wonderful sto

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread dalite01
FWIW, some of these agencies already use sophisticated HF systems with ALE and very advanced DSP implementations for Voice use. Some are interlinked with SHARES, MARS or both on NITA Frequencies. A recent FEMA NECN exercise recorded 598 stations from 31 federal state and civil agencies and en

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Rick Johnson
So you think we have problems with PacTor 3 in the Ham bands.watch this video before it's removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo de Rick W3BI - Original Message From: jgorman01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 7:4

[digitalradio] Re: DIGIKEYER and Digital Voice Records files

2008-01-09 Thread Eric
I'm responding (partly only) to myself..Yes ! (maybe I'm not making anything up !) with corrects parameters, that is : through Windows recorder : -your microphone computer input (to create wav files) -usb codec output - 44.100 8b mono wav format you can -record audio wav files -play them on th

Re: [digitalradio] Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Dennis Wyman
This is good. Greg probably knows abt this, too. (Hopefully) - Original Message - From: Mark Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Rodney
Unless the affected Counties have been able to change out or reprogram their equipment to be able to operate in Narrow Band mode, they can't operate on those frequencies! They are designated for Narrow Band operation only! jgorman01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not k

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Rud Merriam
How is the government going to get operators? Any full time staff will have a multitude of other duties to perform. As a taxpayer you should appreciate the government supporting volunteers and obtaining equipment that is less costly than the equivalent commercial gear. Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES

FW: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Patricia (Elaine) Gibbons
Rod, it is really great that you are a member of both the amateur radio community and the public safety communications community .. It does amaze me to see some members of the amateur radio community start whining after public and/or private agencies officially recognize ***and support*** the

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread dalite01
-Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger J. Buffington Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Netwo

[digitalradio] DIGIKEYER and Digital Voice Records files

2008-01-09 Thread Eric
Hello all ! Briefly introducing myself : a newbie one at Digimods ( I didn't say Obiwan at Digimods unfortunately..) I'm the proud owner of a brand new Digikeyer from Microham..beautifull product. I achieved to setup HRD + DM780 as well at my TS 2000 (Ouff !) BUT : I'm solicited to lend parts

[digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread jgorman01
Not knocking the volunteers for sure. I do have a question. How come the money wasn't invested in public safety equipment using public safety NTIA assigned frequencies to do the same thing? These don't require ham licenses to operate and could expand the resource pool of operators. As a taxpayer

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Rodney
Jim, and everyone else, I am the Radio Tech for Clackamas County, Oregon and I KNOW the problems that the Hams have getting Digital communications going to and from a disaster scene! My experience with the ARES units in Oregon and our local County OEM is that the equipment that they,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roger J. Buffington wrote: > John Becker, WØJAB wrote: > > >> Maybe all would be well if the word "WinLink" had not been used. >> > > Probably. Other forms of amateur communication listen before they > transmit, thereby preventing unnecessary QRM. > > > Please, can we not go round thi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Roger J. Buffington
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: > Maybe all would be well if the word "WinLink" had not been used. Probably. Other forms of amateur communication listen before they transmit, thereby preventing unnecessary QRM. de Roger W6VZV

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Here is Missouri we have 114 counties plus the city of St. Louis. Each and ever county plus the city of St. Louis puts money into their EOC. I know of none that does not have ham equipment. And has been doing so for many many years. Would that be any thing like you what your talking about? Maybe a

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Roger J. Buffington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Another point to consider is that the Government Employee who will be > operating this equipment is maintaining (and will probably continue > to maintain) and average age south of 40 years old. The same cannot > be said for the Amateur Radio community who is letting

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread dalite01
Actually, It's not our property. We are squatters. As long as we respect the property and don't run it down, we will continue to have occupancy. The real owner always looks after his investment. When the owner has a non-productive tenant that assumes the property belongs to him, not the re

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Roger J. Buffington
jgorman01 wrote: > > Does this ever increasing number of government agencies doing this > scare the bejeebers out of anybody. That is, the government buying > permanent infrastructure and someday wanting a return on investment, > like using it to augment regular communications? > > Jim WA0LYK

[digitalradio] Re: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread jgorman01
Does this ever increasing number of government agencies doing this scare the bejeebers out of anybody. That is, the government buying permanent infrastructure and someday wanting a return on investment, like using it to augment regular communications? Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.c

Re: [digitalradio] Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Jack Chomley
At 07:35 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network The State of Oregon's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) received $250,000 from Governor Ted Kulongoski's Strategic Reserve Fund to further develop and enhance a statewide Amateur Rad

[digitalradio] Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network

2008-01-09 Thread Mark Thompson
Oregon Governor Allocates $250,000 for Digital Communications Network The State of Oregon's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) received $250,000 from Governor Ted Kulongoski's Strategic Reserve Fund to further develop and enhance a statewide Amateur Radio digital communications network, announc