[digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD
of a sudden, when i click on any of the buttons, i see no text show up in the window. i seem to be transmitting and got some email feedback for my last transmissions, but nothing shows the text going out. wierd...opened the Fuentes folder, and see the Teletype TTF font file. when i open it, it

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Of course. Not being a sound card guy when it comes to RTTY. John, W0JAB At 04:56 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: I use USB dfor FSK, simply because I want the low side of the signals to show up on the left side of the waterfall, and the high frequencies to show up to the right. Because that

[digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
My experiments (many receptions and 2 transmissions) today with ROS 1 and ROS 16 shows that it is quite an effective mode. Congratulations Jose. Of particular interest to me were the several occasions where I decoded a signal that was not visible in the waterfall or audible to my ears. It

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Sparks
IMO, ROS is not *true* SS in the legal sense. Other posts I've read cite an FCC reference that SS involves spreading the signal EVENLY over the bandwidth. ROS is using 16 DISCRETE tones to modulate, with a lot more empty space than actual signal. I'm curious how much of spread spectrum's

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
still having problems, still no text showing up in rx or tx. where is the station info stored ? i deleted all the program, and still when i reinstall, the info comes backmaybe i need to delete that whereever it is to get the text bug out. david/wd4kpd pse email me personal if you got the

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
interesting problems with new ROS, but is to be expected since i lost the text displays in the program, i did system restore and got the problem solved. however the personal info is still stored somewhere i dont know. it did not show the station info however this time. is fun. david/wd4kpd

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
KH6TY wrote: Jose, We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, but our FCC's decision, for whatever reasons they currently think are valid. Fortunately, it may work well on VHF and HF, so I plan to find out. I hate to say this, as I'm sure I'll be called all

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Dave wrote: Jose (and all), My two-cents worth: Olivia is MFSK (or AMFSK), ROS is Spread Spectrum. MFSK is legal on HF, SS is not. It isn't about bandwidth or any of the other arguments. Since ROS is Spread Spectrum then it is not allowed on HF in areas regulated by the FCC

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION as they used to say. There in Europe, you have dozens of local governments to satisify, in the way of modes and power, bands, etc. Im always supprised to find two governments over there, who agree with anything another two may want to do on the bands. Over the

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
the program author mentioned that when he tested on 40m, that he used LSB. this is not really a problem, but i think the digital community has pretty much setteled on USB for all sound card digital modes. even some of the AFSK/RTTY people use USB. before too long, got to get it setteled in.

Re: [digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 06:58 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: even some of the AFSK/RTTY people use USB. I have seen this too and at times wonder why. I think maybe because the other modes are USB. I got into RTTY in 1976. Still use a machine for RTTY.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
The answer is in Wikipedia for Spread Spectrum. 73 - Skip KH6TY Marco IK1ODO wrote: jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Â We can see it as we want, but if OLIVIA is legal, ROS is legal. The only difference I see, Olivia does not say to be spread spectrum, ROS does so :-) - but it's exactly

[digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
Has anyone had any luck running ROS with Vista? Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
It will interesting to see if Tony K2MO gets a chance to put this through the Pathsim tests and compare it to Olivia. My guess is that it will be close to that of Olivia. Andy K3UK Andy, I'd be more than happy to run ROS through the path simulator if I could get the program running with

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Alan Barrow
Dave Ackrill wrote: but if we could get rid of many of the very loud European stations, as well as the US ones, So the plan would be to get rid of the loud European US stations, and just leave the ( presumably not-loud?) UK ones on the air? :-) Sounds workable to me, we could all dig out

RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC is not our friend ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread kq6i
The FCC is not our friend, unless you are a well-to-do multimillion-dollar corporate conglomerate. [ROS, legal in USA] I remember as a young tyke, frequently praying for a new bycycle. Eventually realizing this was not to be, I stole a bike, continued praying, only now asking for forgiveness.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC is not our friend ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread phil williams
ROS is illegal. For everyone. Along with thinking outside of the box. Please place yourselves under house arrest. You are hereby FINED. Mail your checks to KA1GMN. philw

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread n9dsj
Is ROS actually a spread spectrum frequency hopping mode or more like CHIP? I have not seen any published modulation scheme/protocol specificaions so guessing. I certainly doubt the -35dB claim without even anecdotal evidence...otherwise for EME I now have a 10dB path margin :) 73, Bill

[digitalradio] ROS now compatible with Vista

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
All, The latest version of ROS seems to work fine with Vista. http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ Thanks Jose... Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Bob/Chris
No, I get a run time error 50003. Bob C WU9Q - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS Has anyone had any luck running ROS with Vista? Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
Yo only have to download the sound archive: The Man Of the Vara at 1 bauds (-35 dBs) and tester. The results speak for themselves De: n9dsj n9...@comcast.net Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: sáb,20 febrero, 2010 03:53 Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: ROS,

Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
I made the experiment over AWGN and ROS is 2 dBs better than OLIVIA 32/1000. But we are comparing two modes at differents character rate. As you know ROS is two times faster than OLIVIA 32/1000. You should compare ROS 16 with OLIVIA 8/1000.  Then the different is about 5-6 dBs for the same

Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Very impressive Jose, again...congratulations. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:25 AM, jose alberto nieto ros nietoro...@yahoo.es wrote: I made the experiment over AWGN and ROS is 2 dBs better than OLIVIA 32/1000. But we are comparing two modes at differents character rate. As you know ROS is

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