[digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-05 Thread Brian A
You've forgotten about the nasty reality of AGC and receiver overload. For what you say to be true, one must disable the AGC and the receiver must have the dynamic range/overload capability to not fold with the wider bandwidth. If they did we would never need narrow filters. Many rigs have no off

[digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-03 Thread Brian A
for 400 Hz bandwidth transmissions. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Brian A To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available I'm not trying

[digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-03 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Brian A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Using a 200 Hz filter instead of 400 or 500 Hz filter gives a 3db S/N ratio improvment-- PSK or RTTY. It's guaranteed. It is not. Using narrower filter will reduce total noise and out of channel QRM, lowering dynamic

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-03 Thread Rick
Brian, It depends upon what you, or the average ham, are looking for. If you want to do contesting, and if the inertia stays with RTTY, then that is what will remain as a popular mode. A couple of decades ago, many of us found RTTY to be quite interesting and even built TU's to get on HF.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ALE400 - Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-02 Thread Rud Merriam
Yes, the laws of physics do get in the way. They say that wider bandwidth is the technique to use. The trick in that situation is that the bandwidth is used by multiple users at the same time. Everyone is background noise to the other guy. Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX

[digitalradio] Re: ALE400 – Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-02 Thread Brian A
I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt, honest. If one put ALE400 and RTTY side by side for the average ham ALE-400 would be a hard sell. Same speed in twice the bandwidth. I guess one may conclude all the bells and whistles of ALE, ARQ etc are doubling the bandwidth requirements. One can

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE400 – Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-02 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Brian, At 08:29 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote: I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt, honest. Neither is my reply meant to be anything other than pointing out the obvious. We need narrower bandwidths not wider bandwidths for real progress with the real life crowded bands. I think that is

[digitalradio] Re: ALE400 – Narrow band ALE mode now available

2007-11-02 Thread Brian A
So one gets the 60wpm of 170Hz shift RTTY for a 400 Hz bandwidth? 73 de Brian/K3KO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALE400 – Narrow band ALE mode now available Patrick F6CTE has announced that a narrow band version of the popular Automatic Link