[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-24 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Rud. The decoding delay is minimal and probably not even noticeable, even in chat mode. The decoding delay will not be an issue in chat mode. But it is annoying for someone interesting in DXes or just high rate of QSOs. It will take too long to just decode call sign during CQ to find out

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-24 Thread Simon Brown (Laptop)
FWIW http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/pskstats.pl (see also http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/pskmap.html ) Well over 25,000 distinct callsigns seen on PSK over the last three months. I doubt anything will overtake PSK in popularity in this decade. Simon HB9DRV

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
A new protocol with all of PSK31's current virtues augmented by error correction and the ability to convey modest-sized files in real- time would initiate a similar transition, I suspect. BTW, PSK63F has error correction, but I never heard it on air. FEC will always introduce decoding delay.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Rud Merriam
://TheHamNetwork.net -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vojtech Bubnik Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:21 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ? BTW, PSK63F has error

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Ok I'll jump in on this one just once. I feel if such ARQ modes as Amtor or Pactor 1, 2 or 3 could be done via sound card. Most modes would be dead by noon tomorrow. But since they can't no need to go on. Some will never know what they are missing. John, W0JAB Louisiana, Missouri EM48LK

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Patrick VK2PN
: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ? Ok I'll jump in on this one just once. I feel if such ARQ modes as Amtor or Pactor 1, 2 or 3 could be done via sound card. Most modes would be dead by noon tomorrow. But since they can't no need to go on. Some will never know what

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Rick
We have several modes that fall in to that category. Or, in one case, did have with SCAMP which has not been made available after it was developed. While it did not have the fall back position of the Pactor modes, the developer chose not to add more robust modes. The speed was quite good,

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
Its more likely that they know exactly what they are missing -- but don't believe its worth the extra cost to obtain it. Furthermore, there are still quite a few KAMs and PK232s around; the incremental cost to their owners of running Pactor 1 would be very low -- and yet this mode is not

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-23 Thread Jose A. Amador
I am daring to post my opinion after reading the previous ones on this thread. In general, ARQ modes can insure the delivery of almost 100% correct transfers. FEC can do nearly alike, but since there is no feedback, transfers may get corrupted as SNR drops. ARQ + FEC can achieve a lower

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Moore
WSPR is a propogation testing mode. It stands for Weak Signal Propogation Reporting and is based on MEPT_JT (Manned Experimental Propogation Testing by Joe Taylor). WSPR.exe is the program used and the object is to use the lowest power setting you can get away with and to transmit a 2 minute

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-21 Thread jhaynesatalumni
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe that PSK31, PSK63, or RTTY are the best that can be done on HF-- but no protocol attractive enough to displace them has yet been developed. I think, too, that each has its place. RTTY was once

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-21 Thread Paul
Jeff, Found it. Look here: http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/ It was the MMSTV software that auto-decodes the SSTV signal. By auto- decode, I mean it determines the proper protocol for you (Scotty 1, etc.) 73, Paul I've spent hours runnng MultiPSK trying to figure out which variation of SSTV

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-21 Thread jhaynesatalumni
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In seeking to displace PSK31 with a better alternative, a good place to start is to consider PSK31's weaknesses: A. no error detection/correction B. simplex C. can't convey files (messages, pictures, documents,

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that would lead to a displacement of PSK31 so much as it would an accomodation of other activities that PSK31 doesn't do well. I mean, the lack of error detection/correction and

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Traveler
I would keep Hell, yes it is not as popular as PSK or RTTY, but there are quiet a few operators on Hell, and there are active nets/contest for Hell. Take a look at the group. Sorry to hear about the pinched nerve, been there and it's not fun. Myself I am recovering from minor knee surgery so not

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Giella KN4LF
During the TARA Skirmish I made allot of contacts on PSK31/63/125 and RTTY only, on 40 and 20 meters. Also during the weekend period I had quite a few QSO's on Hell during the Feld Hell Club contest. Last weekend I made allot of contacts on PSK31/63/125 during the 070 Flavors contest. During

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Don
Andy, Hope you get feeling better soon...hang in there. Also, here is some data that might be of interest to your post: http://www.30meterdigital.org/30msoftware.html http://poll.pollcode.com/81D_result?v What digital modes do you use the most on 30 Meters? 533 total individual votes (1,039

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Paul
Hey Jeff - your neighbor K7NHB here. Don't give up on SSTV. One of the software packages I use - not MixW - automatically determines the correct SSTV mode. Or, you can pick the Scotty mode and be correct 90% of the time. Once it stops snowing in Bend, I'll get real antennas in the air (both HF

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
I don't believe that PSK31, PSK63, or RTTY are the best that can be done on HF-- but no protocol attractive enough to displace them has yet been developed. This remains an open challenge, not a closed book. Skip KH6TY's latest work seems promising... 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In

[digitalradio] Re: Multiple Digital Modes: Time to get rid of most ?

2008-04-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2. Log keeping, I don't want to have 10 different log files, I want to have one. I use DXKeeper and WinWarbler and MultiPSK will interface to it, but I also run HRD/DM780, NBEMS, MixW, and