Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-21 Thread W4LDE-Ron
Rick, Yes I had trouble printing 100% of what Mac WN3C was transmitting during the inital 8/500 contact, we did go to 16/500 and the print came back to 90%. After discussing the settings with Mac it became apparent that there was several issues that was causing problems on Mac's end. The amou

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-21 Thread KV9U
Although I am not an engineer, my understanding is that group delay is the phase shifting signals experience as they go through circuits such as filters. A non linear response as you go across the filter bandwidth means that different tones will be affected differently and cause smearing of the

RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-21 Thread Chuck Mayfield
At 06:41 AM 9/21/2006, you wrote: >Rick, > >Please explain "group delays". I am unfamilar with that term in >reference to transmitting equipment. > >Walt/K5YFW I am not Rick, but you can find the definition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_delay Regards, Chuck AA5J Need a Digital m

RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-21 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Rick, Please explain "group delays". I am unfamilar with that term in reference to transmitting equipment. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:28 PM [stuff deleted] Another thing that I came

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-21 Thread Vojtěch Bubník
Hi gang. The whole group delay fuss is pointless in my opinion because of the constraints that are put on the operating modes by our lovely ionosphere. I do not think that group delay is an issue at 100Bd symbol speed. The flattness of the passband is more an issue but it is something that the

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread KV9U
As Doug Smith has pointed out, the group delay issue on amateur gear can be challenging, even with training. The ionosphere is very unforgiving. Any tests you can do would be great. Have you considered discussing this with the Digital Voice Working Group at ARRL? They have gone through quite a

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Miller
Rick, Yes group delay is an issue, but with adaptive training this too can be overcome. Sound cards, or external modems using DSP or preferably FPGA's would be a fine compliment to most amateur gear. The SDR (software defined radio) that Jose mentioned will be the best solution going forward

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread KV9U
Jim and group, Any modems that are used for amateur radio, hardware or software, generally would need to be compatible with the kind of equipment that we use in order to enjoy wide adoption. It is true that some ham equipment will not work well with modes that require fairly stable frequencies.

RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Miller
Jose, I think you are correct. SDR allows you to make the radio for whatever type of modulation/protocol you want to send. As you say, if that modulation/protocol changes, just change the firmware. I think that this will be the next homebrew revolution. FPGA's are getting very cheap and ea

RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread Jose Amador
I think it is not the only solution needed. A wider radio might be needed too (rules allowing, that is). So far, I see a Software Defined Radio as the solution. You may, then, define the bandwidth you NEED on the fly. In the cell phone business, the operators see SDR as the solution, because it

Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread Jose Amador
--- jgorman01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been reading all the posts over the last > several weeks about > single tone/multi-tone, baud/bps, narrow/wide, etc. > digital > modes/modems. The one thing I see missing is any > discussion of the > actual RADIO's being used in these systems

RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and THE RADIO

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Crizer
Spot on. What about desgining and building a "QRP" radio for digital use. Its seems to me that some of the problems you mention are because the radio is made for many modes. What if the radio was just build for RTTY, PACKET, PSK31, PACTOR, etc? Instead of a 300-3500Hz audio bandwidth, it could