Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
s are changed. The FCC then confirmed that through the ARRL. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Is the random or pseudo-random manner of generating the tones or carriers an essential element of spread-spectrum? If so, and if the aim of using such a method is not to obfuscate the message but onl

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
legal also. Still not a good situation! 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Skip. Thank you for the comprehensive explanation. I understand why ROS is illegal under your rules. The point of my question was, if FHSS is illegal, why not simply modify the mode (which after all is experimental and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
y to say S/N, I would not be able to see the tones, yet I can, and not only on the ROS waterfall, but on the DigiPan waterfall as well. 73 - Skip KH6TY Jose A. Amador wrote: El 10/03/2010 7:57, g4ilo escribió: > What does ROS gain by using SS over another mode that carries the s

Re: [digitalradio] SS definitions

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
e that any other way can be successful. I think we have beat this horse to death at this point and should move on to another topic. 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: I'll preface this by saying that I'm not trying to defend or crucify ROS. But when we are dealing with definit

Re: [digitalradio] SS definitions

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
works on this side of the pond, and we have no choice but to abide by the system or petition for change. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor . wrote: --- On Wed, 10/3/10, KH6TY <mailto:kh6ty%40comcast.net>> wrote: > Alan, though we may disagree as to the amount or nature of FHSS in ROS, > t

Re: [digitalradio] SS definitions

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
decision of the FCC, as originally related by the customer service agent, simply reaffirms the original finding. The official word from the FCC, through one of their spokesmen, is that ROS is spread spectrum and that will stand until modified by the petition process. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor

Re: [digitalradio] SS definitions (here are the ITU, NITA, and Fed Std)

2010-03-10 Thread KH6TY
Alan, please carry on the debate with someone else. I have spent a huge amount of time on this issue, trying to help in whatever way I can, although I do not have all the answers, obviously. I need to do something other than sit in front of this computer all day! Have fun, 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] FCC - Spread Spectrum NPRM

2010-03-18 Thread KH6TY
So, it looks like Olivia is currently still the best digital mode to use on UHF, VHF, or HF for normal (not EME) digital QSO's. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor . wrote: Regarding Spread Spectrum Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/18/11396/?nc=1 <http

Re: [digitalradio] FCC - Spread Spectrum NPRM

2010-03-18 Thread KH6TY
Andy, As I read it, the NPRM did not disturb the current FCC ruling that spread spectrum is only allowed above 222 Mhz, so that is still in force. What it did was modify the power and power monitoring requirements. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: I read the proposed rule making and

Re: [digitalradio] FCC - Spread Spectrum NPRM

2010-03-18 Thread KH6TY
F, and mostly only when there is propagation enhancement. 73 - Skip KH6TY I promised to post the results of our attempts to use ROS on UHF on this reflector, and this is what we have found. So, it looks like Olivia is currently still the best digital mode to use on UHF, VHF, or HF for normal (not

Re: [digitalradio] FCC - Spread Spectrum NPRM

2010-03-18 Thread KH6TY
d see the links in yellow - really fascinating reading! 73 - Skip KH6TY Jon Maguire wrote: Skip, Just a thought, but "raspy" signals on VHF/UHF are usually associated with aurora. Can you correlate that? 73... Jon W1MNK PS Great discussion!! KH6TY wrote: Hi Jose, We will b

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
typical conditions found on UHF. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Congratulations Simon! DAYTON HAMVENTION Awards "Technical Excellence* - Simon Brown / HB9DRV "

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
prestigious award! 73, Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
it is now, we are unable to successfully use ROS on UHF, for whatever the reason, and it is illegal to use it on HF under FCC jurisdiction. That is too bad, because ROS is definitely fun to use. 73 - Skip KH6TY w2xj wrote: If there were documentation on ROS then there would the possibili

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]]

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
nt in time. Maybe FHSS alone is just not the way to go, considering all the adverse conditions we have to work under, which includes the need for a reasonable typing speed. It's too bad the code is being kept a secret, or others may be able to contribute to improving the performance.

Re: [digitalradio] Ros posts rebuttal of Olivia / Ros test results

2010-03-23 Thread KH6TY
Perhaps Tony, K2MO, can make some pathsim comparisons of ROS 8 baud with Olivia 32-1000. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-ros-numbers <http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-ros-numbers> Julian, G4ILO

Re: [digitalradio] Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-24 Thread KH6TY
But if the path S/N is so poor that you cannot get the message across at all, isn't the spectrum efficiency zero? ;-) 73 - Skip KH6TY Rein Couperus wrote: Spectrum efficiency must be measured in time necessary to get the info across, length of info transferred, and band

Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

2010-04-06 Thread KH6TY
e and comment AGAINST the KQ6XA proposal to take over 15% of the ham bands with automatic robot stations that never listen for a clear frequency before transmitting. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *expeditionradio* Date: Tue, Apr 6, 20

Re: [digitalradio] KQ6XA Recommendation IARU Region 2 Bandplan to ARRL

2010-04-06 Thread KH6TY
epare recommended ARRL positions for the Region 2 Conference later this year. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Wright wrote: The ARRL deadline for comments/suggestions was April 5th. I wonder why Bonnie waited until the very last minute to submit her suggestion to the ARRL? Could it be that she antici

Re: [digitalradio] Opposition to the KQ6XA Recommendation

2010-04-07 Thread KH6TY
wish for that space back! 73, Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: > This is little more than a "frequency grab" by Bonnie that would benefit the HF-ALE group, I feel, the most. OK, so I have to ask how would it benefit HFLink - HFLink already has well established centers of

Re: [digitalradio] Opposition to the KQ6XA Recommendation

2010-04-07 Thread KH6TY
tions. For that reason, it should be vigorously opposed. BTW, I asked my invisible companion if I had made a huge leap of paranoia, as you inferred, and he assured me that I am definitely not paranoid, and that he would have to leave me if I were! ;-) 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: K

Re: [digitalradio] Opposition to the KQ6XA Recommendation

2010-04-07 Thread KH6TY
rators who have no interest at all in messaging, high-speed or otherwise, oh the HF bands. 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: KH6TY wrote: > It would give ALE ops more frequencies This is a huge leap of paranoia.. ALE operation by definition does not "want" or even can utilize

Re: [digitalradio] frequency grabs??????

2010-04-07 Thread KH6TY
other way around as suggested by HFlink. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection"

2010-04-08 Thread KH6TY
raffic passing! Clean up the automatic station network's act BEFORE even talking about additional space being needed! 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Let me "drill down" on this some more to find out the prevailing view... Would those that object to Bonnie's idea,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission "protection"

2010-04-09 Thread KH6TY
way most of us are, but mariners using ham radio as if it were on channelized frequencies, and not listening first. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Scanning "on the 3's" today.

2010-04-11 Thread KH6TY
on. This way, I do not take up a frequency calling for you when you are unavailable because you are busy elsewhere. Does this make sense? 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: I am scanning 3583 ,7073, 10143, 14073,18103, 21073, 24923, 28123, today. Anyone looking for a digital mode QSO is

Re: [digitalradio] Scanning "on the 3's" today.

2010-04-11 Thread KH6TY
73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Well , using ALE principles, I should have my scan passes timed so that anyone that calls me, I can hear. i.e. , a call time is of sufficient duration that a complete scan can be achieved . On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, KH6TY <mailto:kh...@com

Re: [digitalradio] Digital Mode tests this evening - FLDIGI

2010-04-15 Thread KH6TY
is essential for weak signal UHF and VHF digital operation as every dB of S/N we can get is important for weak signal work. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote: All, I'll be QRV for digital mode testing this evening after 2200z (April 15) till 0500z (April 16). QRG 14108 / 3588 (+ /

Re: [digitalradio] Digital Mode tests this evening - FLDIGI

2010-04-16 Thread KH6TY
propagation changes over the course of 24 hours, 6M propagation is always very spotty, and often propagation, when there is no enhancement on 2M, is worse than on 70cm, so we are fortunate to find that Olivia and Contestia work well enough on 70cm to do the job. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote:

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-20 Thread KH6TY
r the next few weeks, we are now going to compare Contestia variations with different bandwidths and latency to see how print compares to the observed period of "chop" on SSB phone. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-21 Thread KH6TY
dings. No more tests possible this week. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote: [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Tony included below] On 4/20/2010 3:32 AM, KH6TY wrote: Hi Tony, When both stations are within the same ducting level, the only audible Doppler effect is usually reflections fro

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-21 Thread KH6TY
get any difference in print. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote: [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Tony included below] On 4/21/2010 3:25 PM, KH6TY wrote: This morning, SSB phone was very badly chopped up, but signals varied from S1 to S4, so we had another opportunity to test digital modes

Re: [digitalradio] Contestia 250 - new concept for usage

2010-05-09 Thread KH6TY
will make their minimum typing speed preferences known, as well as how well the mode works. 73, Skip KH6TY Jaak Hohensee wrote: Hi everybody * Contestia derived from Olivia. * Contestia 250/4 is channelfree like psk or rtty. BW less than rtty and same as psk125, 39wpm, snr

Re: [digitalradio] Contestia 250 - new concept for usage

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
withstand Doppler shift and spreading, whereas we find anything more narrow than 500 Hz simply does not survive. It is good to have choices! 73, Skip KH6TY Jaak Hohensee wrote: Skip, I agree with you. My considerations to prefer in HF Contestia 250/4 format is related to the idea to

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
When did Pactor-III (up to 2200 Hz wide, I think), suddenly become a "narrowband" data mode? 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: It seems odd to me too Rick. However, i do note... means of on-off keying (emission designator 150HA1A) continues to be used by amateur stations

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
them. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: It seems odd to me too Rick. However, i do note... means of on-off keying (emission designator 150HA1A) continues to be used by amateur stations because of its reliability in difficult propagation conditions. ARRL also states that the other requeste

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
John, How frequently do you use Pactor-III, keyboard to keyboard? How fast do you touch type? 73 - Skip KH6TY John Becker, WØJAB wrote: So my friend I do think WINLINK has a lot to do with it when even a keyboard to keyboard QSO get's phone calls from some lid. But I guess,

Re: [digitalradio] Contestia 250 - new concept for usage

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
Hi Patrick, Yahoo reports there is no RSID group. Where should I request additional RSID codes? 73 - Skip KH6TY Patrick Lindecker wrote: Hello Skip, About Contestia: I think this mode is a better compromise between robustness and speed than Olivia (too much robustness) and RTTYM

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
John, I was specifically asking only about Pactor-III keyboard-to-keyboard QSO's, not Pactor-II or Pactor I. > As for a typing. touch typing is a thing of the past. How do you personally carry on a keyboard-to-keyboard conversation without typing? 73 - Skip KH6TY John Becke

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
not for person-to-person communication, but was done by the ARRL specifically for Winlink messaging, because NOBODY needs a 300 wpm mode for keyboarding, do they! So, 99% of the hams can now just kiss one of the 60m channels goodbye for general use. Thank you, ARRL! :-( 73 - Skip KH6TY John

Re: [digitalradio] Contestia 250 - new concept for usage

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
Patrick, Thanks. I'll ask Dave to request the number. He is already going to add Contestia 64/1000 and Contestia 64/2000 to Fldigi because those are needed on UHF when SSB cannot get though due to poor propagation, Doppler speading, and multipath. 73 - Skip KH6TY Patrick Lindecker

Re: [digitalradio] Contestia 250 - new concept for usage

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
of daily tests to find out that Contestia 64/1000 is the MOST dependable mode to use for digital QSO's on UHF because of the extreme conditions there. 73 - Skip KH6TY Patrick Lindecker wrote: Skip, It is an informal group composed by the Hams able to program RS ID in thei

Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
Why not just limit bandwidth of any emission to 500 Hz? 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: FYI, I plan to file a comment opposing the PIII on 60M proposal. My objections are PIII is a proprietary mode . PIII as used in non-busy detect Winkink system has been the leading cause of QRM

Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal

2010-05-10 Thread KH6TY
et on the bands to do the same thing. The FCC does listen to the comments, and considers every one. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Wright wrote: I take that as a "no" to my question about whether Pactor III has ever been publicly documented. My understanding is that if it is not, then i

Re: [digitalradio] Opposing 60M proposal

2010-05-11 Thread KH6TY
The F6FBB BBS protocol is used. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor . wrote: Hi Steinar, I've never used WINLINK and know little about it but I'd imagine they use a standard and freely available compression algorithms. Perhaps someone else can comment. 73 Trevor M5AKA --- On Tu

Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor III support...

2010-05-11 Thread KH6TY
r QSO and Emcomm instead of Pactor-III taking over the entire channel for Winlink mailboxes. If you don't comment, you might wish you had! 73 - Skip KH6TY John Becker, WØJAB wrote: At 06:27 PM 5/10/2010, you wrote: >Another question was whether Pactor III's bandwidth was rea

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400

2010-05-19 Thread KH6TY
oking). 73 - Skip KH6TY Designer of DigiPan Howard Z wrote: MultiPSK = Yick Ugg, can't stand to even look at the user interface. I don't care if his s/w can walk on water - I can't bring myself to use it. The author of MultiPSK needs to think about all the other softwa

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400

2010-05-20 Thread KH6TY
s, many written by professionals in the programming or computer field. As you say, you can't get past the GUI to use the program. That is sad, because you are missing out on all the fun using ALE400 and RSID, as well as other programs in Multipsk that are not in any other ham program

Re: [digitalradio] Speech-to-Text for the Handicapped

2010-05-20 Thread KH6TY
reviations, etc. for DigiTalk, but this is not my full-time job! So, the code is already there for "listening" to PSK31, and a program for "sending" PSK31 by voice. Naturally Speaking also can be trained to recognize some unique commands, but I have not spent enough time with

Re: [digitalradio] Any point in sending Wrap files via ALE 400?

2010-05-24 Thread KH6TY
With WRAP, you can compress the file and reduce the transmission time significantly in many cases. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote: Andy, I sent a Wrap file via ALE400 today. Is that just a waste of time since ALE 400 already has error correction ? It would seem redundant if the

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Digital Suite Performance

2010-05-27 Thread KH6TY
I take up less than 50 Hz of spectrum. I think may others do that also. If you can hear'em, you can work'em on PSK31, except over the polar paths. 73, Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Digitalradio: Facebook change.

2010-05-28 Thread KH6TY
Andy, I rarely check my Facebook page (no teenagers here!) and only signed up with Facebook, at your request, but I'll give it a try. When I go to the page, I don't see where to write on the "Wall", or how to become a fan. What am I missing? 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
wn risk, programmers! 73 - Skip KH6TY Rein A wrote: Hello John, If your situation is not due to an installation problem or other, but is part of the distributed software, planned, programmed in, it might well have other consequences. ROS modem is under consideration to be incorporated in

Re: [digitalradio] What is here Spread Spectrum and why and what is not?

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
he narrow FSK modes might result in approval to use a separate program that has no frequency-hopped modes. The remaining program would only be allowed in the US above 222 Mhz. 73 - Skip KH6TY Rein A wrote: Hello All, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOmrgJkFY40 <http://www.youtube.c

[digitalradio] MT63 is NOT spread spectrum!

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
T63 is NOT frequency hopped, or spread spectrum, even though it can be as wide as 2000 Hz. The spectrum of MT63 shows this very clearly. Compare that to the spectrum of ROS 16 and 1 baud of 2250 Hz width. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] What is here Spread Spectrum and why and what is not?

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
so individuals do have to do that, but the responsibility is up to the individual amateur to comply with the regulations. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor . wrote: --- On Wed, 2/6/10, KH6TY <mailto:kh6ty%40comcast.net>> wrote: > The FCC engineers have performed the same spectral

Re: [digitalradio] What is here Spread Spectrum and why and what is not?

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
ia 1000/64 was printing 100%. Your point is well made, but there is a advantageous application for ROS, and that is on UHF for EME. Up there, it is legal for US hams to use also. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Sparks wrote: More importantly (to me, at least) is Spread Spectrum the most effective or e

Re: [digitalradio] What is here Spread Spectrum and why and what is not?

2010-06-02 Thread KH6TY
they usually only look at emissions on the air and determine if the operator is out of compliance or not. Probably similar to the enforcement vans that roam London looking for illegal TV and radio emissions, as I am told they did in the past, if they still do that. 73, Skip KH6TY T

Re: [digitalradio] Bad sound card?

2010-06-05 Thread KH6TY
Yes, Dave, it is 6-channel card, so maybe Jeremey can disable four of the channels and any special effects. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave 'Doc' Corio wrote: Could it be that the card is set up for 5.1 surround instead of simple 2-channel stereo, or that you actually have the

Re: [digitalradio] Neby help with digi modes

2010-06-18 Thread KH6TY
There is a $19.95 interface kit described on Page 37 of the June QST. 73, Skip KH6TY When it comes to transmitting and receiving, you will need to also connect your transceiver to the computer so that the tones generated by your software and sound card are sent over the air. Thus you have

Re: [digitalradio] Neby help with digi modes

2010-06-18 Thread KH6TY
On 6/18/2010 2:40 PM, charles standlee wrote: And a good one it is... Good job on it Skip.. 73, Chuck AC5PW Thanks, Chuck, I tried to keep things basic and simple in order make it affordable to most hams. 73, Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] New release (4.18) of MULTIPSK

2010-06-19 Thread KH6TY
retired and had time for ham radio. DigiPan was the first thing I did after I retired. Your support of the weather alert feature means a lot to me! Thanks! 73, Skip KH6TY On 6/19/2010 4:37 AM, Patrick Lindecker wrote: /Pour les francophones: la version française de ce message se trouve sur

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New release (4.18) of MULTIPSK

2010-06-19 Thread KH6TY
ector and beeper was probably already patented, or probably too obvious to be patentable. It was enough to kickstart the weather alert radio industry and fortunate to retire at 43 as a result. I definitely have been blessed by ham radio! 73, Skip KH6TY //

Re: [digitalradio] New release (4.18) of MULTIPSK

2010-06-19 Thread KH6TY
John, I have written up a short story of how the weather alert radio industry began. You can read it at this link: http://home.comcast.net/~hteller/WeatherAlertStory.htm <http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehteller/WeatherAlertStory.htm> 73, Skip KH6TY Sometime I would like to hear how

Re: [digitalradio] Its the busy detect, stupid.

2010-07-02 Thread KH6TY
Andy, It would be most helpful to know how much QRM gets through if you use a 500 Hz-wide IF filter and use a center frequency 250 Hz from the top of a Pactor-III channel. Perhaps the problem is trying to use too wide an IF filter. 73, Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Posted on ROSMODEM home page

2010-07-11 Thread KH6TY
formation. Thanks. 73, Skip KH6TY ._,___

Re: [digitalradio] Moving ROS forward in the USA?

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
interpreting them as they see fit. ROS is legal above 222 Mhz, so freely use it there if you wish. It is probably really good for EME. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/12/2010 6:55 AM, Andy obrien wrote: For those USA hams that are using ROS on HF, I assume that by using it...they feel it is not spread spe

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA?

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
of a false FCC approval. I am tired of all this Graham, so please forgive me if I do not reply any longer to these questions. I have enough to do to keep up with kit orders for my July QST interface and no time to constantly sit in front of this computer. I hope you understand... 73, Skip KH6

Re: [digitalradio] Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
er among many frequency channels , using a pseudorandom sequence known to both transmitter and receiver . " Please post here what your own spectral analysis finds, and state if you are willing to testify to the FCC whether or not ROS is really FHSS. Thanks. 73, Skip KH6TY (No BS at this

Re: [digitalradio] Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
e discussion, but he has (for perhaps devious or commercial) personal reasons for refusing to do so. That is just not going to happen, so let's end the discussion on that note and get on the air instead! 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/12/2010 1:14 PM, Lester Veenstra wrote: Skip: Spectral

Re: [digitalradio] Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
ROS if you think you will be legal! You will do more damage to the hobby than anyone who refuses to use it, by flaunting the regulations. 73, Skip KH6TY. On 7/12/2010 1:52 PM, W2XJ wrote: Why do you persist in getting the FCC involved? You are potentially damaging the hobby as a whole. If one

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA?

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
x27;s job to tell you what program you can use. It is the ARRL's job to interpret the regulations if asked, which, in this case, it is illegal to use ROS 16 or 1 baud on HF, or any other variation that is FHSS. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/12/2010 3:19 PM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote: That would m

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA?

2010-07-12 Thread KH6TY
questions any more. I think I have honestly said enough and certainly put more time in analyzing ROS for myself than most of the people who disagree with what I have said. No more comments about ROS from me! 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/12/2010 5:00 PM, Rein A wrote: Dear Skip, This is the second time

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-13 Thread KH6TY
rk with someone else who will do that for you, and end this endless denigrating of the FCC, ARRL, and others who follow the regulations and depend upon ARRL interpretations of the FCC regulations for us all. Signing off on ROS now - 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/13/2010 2:23 PM, rein...@ix.netcom.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-13 Thread KH6TY
If there are enough randomly dispersed chips, won't they eventually fill the entire area with if there are enough of them? I studied communications theory and auto-correlation functions, etc., 50 years ago in college, but unfortunately I don't remember much of it at all! 73, Skip K

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [digital radio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-13 Thread KH6TY
in such matters. By what authority do you claim to know that the FCC did not make any analysis? That is in direct conflict with what I was told by a member of the group that did the analysis. Skip KH6TY ,___

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
faces. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/13/2010 10:48 PM, Alan Barrow wrote: KH6TY wrote: > > > Alan, > > What happens, for example, if 100 DSSS stations are all on at the same > time, on the same beginning and ending frequencies, because everyone > a

Re: [digitalradio] Why even use SS, a waste of resources?

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
f all upper case are not a problem. If you do not like all upper case, in fldigi we have added an option to use all lower case... 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/14/2010 3:51 AM, Lester Veenstra wrote: Now let's cut to the chase: * * *THE USE OF SPREADSPECTRUM, THAT IS, THE USE OF BANDWIDTH

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Random data vs Spread Spectrum

2010-07-14 Thread KH6TY
if you do not decode a request in a different mode than you are using, you are unable to share. It helps to use RSID or operate in a place where others are using the same mode. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/14/2010 4:37 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com <mailto:digitalradio%40ya

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
possible at 25 miles using low verticals, MT63 may not work. On UHF, where Doppler shift and Doppler spreading is a major problem with SSB voice, we use Contestia 64-1000, which works very well on 200 miles paths. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 7:58 PM, KB3FXI wrote: Jon, Here in WPA we&#x

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
be changed, make your case and let the process of public comment by ALL concerned parties determine what should be done. The FCC makes regulations only for the public benefit, and only after giving everyone a chance to comment. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 8:12 PM, bg...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
ey are not understandable. This is true on probably 80% of our morning schedules on 432 MHz over 200 mile paths when there is no propagation enhancement. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 8:35 PM, KB3FXI wrote: Interesting suggestions, Skip. We're hoping to be installing UHF and VHF vertica

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
"guide lines" - they are LAW for the benefit of all. Band plans are "guide lines", not regulations. What may seen nit picking to you may seem necessary to others. The regulations are a great balancing act to both protect and enable as many users to be treated as fairly as po

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
"In expressing views on this matter, please avoid personal attacks or insulting language. Andy K3UK Owner." If you do not like the regulations, then petition to change them. That is your duty as an American... Without laws, there is anarchy, and with anarchy, follows chaos. 73,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
below 10 meters? Perhaps it also should be, but until the regulations are changed to permit it, it may not be done. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 4:19 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>, KH6TY wrote: > > I think the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK & spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Once the "driver", i.e. transceiver is operated linearly for soundcard RTTY, a non-linear class-C amp can follow and the result, and high power, is the same as direct FSK, because the drive to the amp is a pure RF signal - no competitive loss to the high power contester! 73, Skip K

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Who is to decide what is harmful to the general population or not - the individual looking out for himself, or the public looking out for everyone (in the form of a republic) including that individual? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 4:34 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
population and therefore wrecking the phone bands for over 50% of hams worldwide? Perhaps you have never had a QSO destroyed by a Pactor-III or Pactor-II mailbox... Regulations in this country protect as well as hinder sometimes. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 7:23 AM, KH6TY wrote: Who is to decide

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
The FCC has actually analyzed the mode (to my surprise!) and says it is SS, and we are obliged to accept their determination. To use it, someone just must file a petition to change the regulations. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 11:03 AM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote: They would say ... you know

Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
face in the July QST and cannot keep on answering emails about ROS over and over. I have said all I can say, so I want to leave this discussion right now! I hope you understand... Thanks! 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 1:19 PM, Trevor . wrote: --- On Tue, 20/7/10, KH6TY <mailto:kh6ty%40comcast

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Tony, Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done on http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote: All

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK & spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
h panoramic displays, you get a list of callsigns to select from all presented to you, and can even highlight zones or callsign areas you need for multipliers, etc.. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 7:03 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: - Original Message From: g4ilo mailto:julian%40g4ilo.co

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-21 Thread KH6TY
er" of all we are working with today! I wish I knew more about his background. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/21/2010 12:15 AM, Tony wrote: > > > On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote: > > >Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum > was very poor on U

Re: [digitalradio] 70cm -2M-6M-10M fan dipole ?

2010-07-21 Thread KH6TY
outputs of the transceiver, whether you should use a single feedline or two feedlines. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 8:58 PM, obrienaj wrote: > > > I am planning another HF installation soon and may have a 33ft mast > begging for some extra creative thing to hang off it . I do not do 7

Re: AW: AW: AW: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster

2010-07-24 Thread KH6TY
all possible with this author! :-( This wholesale abuse of ham radio traditions and spamming clusters, etc. by this author, is just not acceptable, and to my knowledge has never been done before. 73, Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Introducing the KJ6VW Half-square antenna

2010-08-21 Thread KH6TY
or a rotator, but I was 5000 miles away, so the pattern was very wide at that distance. 73, Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: See http://www.obriensweb.com/halfsquare.html for a brief article on this antenna that I have found easy to build and has improved my signals Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Rigblster and Digipan ?

2010-08-22 Thread KH6TY
y's WinPSK is an excellent program and I even used his PSKCORE.DLL for my own QuickPSK program, which introduced PSK63, but DigiPan is every bit as reliable and easy to use. 73, Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: This claim from West Mountain seems dubious. DIGIPAN PROBLEMS If you are

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Half Square Antenna

2010-08-23 Thread KH6TY
no tuned circuit is needed, and no RF ground. 73, Skip KH6TY kf4hou wrote: Hey Tom Which is the better way of feeding the Half Square what is the plus and minus of both? Voltage vs. Current Fed

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Half Square Antenna

2010-08-24 Thread KH6TY
Tom, with voltage feed, you only need an electrostatic ground. I used about 10' x 10' of chicken wire for a ground sheet under mine in Hawaii. 73, Skip KH6TY Thomas wrote: What Andy and Skip said, plus a top corner feed causes a pattern distortion in the broadside that narrow

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread KH6TY
u also need to be thankful for the same reguations that have protected you also, as radio waves often obey no international boundaries. 73, Skip KH6TY

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