Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups

2011-06-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external

Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes

2011-06-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-06-13 17.19: Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. thanks a lot, Michael! I will ask the German community to translate the changes back. :) Thanks to everyone

Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes

2011-06-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Toki, toki wrote on 2011-06-10 19.16: When I was reading German law on non-profits, my impression was the By-Laws had to specify how members of the board of directors, and any advisory board were selected, and mid-term replacements done. I don't see anything in the by-laws that specifies

Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice

2011-06-14 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Italo, 2011/6/13 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com It looks like media are on our side. Ask LH: Am I Missing Out By Sticking With Open Source And Not Buying Microsoft ... on Lifehacker Australia

Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice

2011-06-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I thought the GPL, LGPL MPL were all much more permissive than the Apache licenses? I thought the whole point of OpenSource was that it is contra-intuitive. By insisting on intellectual freedoms, ideas are able to build on each other more easily. Regards from Tom :)

Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes

2011-06-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think it is better to do the minimum that is required to make it legal and for the rest write in things like Mid-term replacements are to be covered by internal TDF policy which is to be reviewed regularly. In some cases it makes sense to name the specific document that will cover

Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes

2011-06-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I thought everyone quickly checked that sort of thing anyway? I do. I thought David was making a joke out of the need for people to be a little more aware of one need for checking such rules. A serious point put forwards as a joke. Regards from Tom :)

Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice

2011-06-14 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 6/14/11 9:21 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: This is indeed really good. Now, if IBM really throws in the code from Lotus Symphony, we'll have to be prepared, as some journalists might change their stance... Although probably not :-) It would be nice to know what it might mean in practical

[steering-discuss] Membership Committee wiki page updated

2011-06-14 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, I just updated the infos at the MC wiki page (improve the generic agenda, so that it is showing, what we discuss; link to the minutes page; add mailing list name for how to contact the MC). And in addition to that: I feel sorry to say, that yesterday's meeting had to be adjourned. I

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Ping Florian] nntp gmane posts to user list still not getting to the list

2011-06-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Gary, NoOp wrote on 2011-06-14 03.00: Any idea when the issue with posting to the user list (gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user) ala your change from @libreoffice.org to @global.libreoffice.org will be fixed? On that list you are still missing contributions from gmane

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 June 2011 06:55, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. How does that work? Surely if they licensed their work Apache it means there is no need for the other licenses because the Apache license would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2011 06:55, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. How does that work? Surely if they licensed their work Apache it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Christoph Jopp
Am 14.06.2011 11:34, schrieb Keith Curtis: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2011 06:55, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. How does that work?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Christoph Noack wrote: Mmh, seems that might be me :-) I added this and several other EasyHacks related to OOoNotes2 - our activities related to comments at OpenOffice.org. Search in bugzilla:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Jun 2011, at 06:55, Keith Curtis wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That way people not interested in setting up build servers, etc. can work here while Apache

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 June 2011 11:38, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Christoph Jopp j...@gmx.de wrote: Not automatically. Someone might want the more restrictive license because he wants to mix it with other code with a license incompatible to the least

Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice

2011-06-14 Thread Tom Davies
From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 13:15:05 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Fwd: Google Alert - libreoffice On 6/14/11 9:21 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: This is indeed really

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:04, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see the desktop effort here at LibO and the developers at Apache start on a new web based OOo even if that meant starting from scratch and writing it in Javascript. Seems to me that without a web based version

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:49, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see the desktop effort here at LibO and the developers at Apache start on a new web based OOo even if that meant starting from scratch and writing it in Javascript. It's already been done:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:05, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Jim, BRM, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:43, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: There was, and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully- setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:09, Greg Stein wrote: Our charitable status specifically precludes us from competition. What does it say about collaborating with others? Anything? (serious question, I have no idea). S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:00, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 06:55, Keith Curtis wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That way people not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:16, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:00, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 06:55, Keith Curtis wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 06:55, Keith Curtis wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. LibreOffice can become an upstream of Apache with this change. That way people

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:09, Greg Stein wrote: Our charitable status specifically precludes us from competition. What does it say about collaborating with others? Anything? (serious question, I have no idea). In essence, as a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:54, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:09, Greg Stein wrote: Our charitable status specifically precludes us from competition. What does it say about collaborating with others? Anything? (serious

Re: [tdf-discuss] Magazine LibreOffice International.

2011-06-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
this was discussed several months back in the marketing confcall which you are free to download. I am not sure which month was it, maybe is written on the minutes. drew and ben were involved in the discussion http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:47 AM,

Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes

2011-06-14 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-06-14 10.44: I think it is better to do the minimum that is required to make it legal and for the rest write in things like Mid-term replacements are to be covered by internal TDF policy which is to be reviewed regularly. In some cases it makes sense to name the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/06/2011 15:31, Alexandro Colorado wrote: How exactly would that work. So far the discussion was about moving code around, but what about generating code for both? As a practical matter, the code would have to modified to work as expected

Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

2011-06-14 Thread Charles Jenkins
Cristoph wrote: What I'm currently unsure about - how to proceed. Although I'm not that convinced about voting, maybe it should be added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement Could you do that, please? Well, I tried to. I made an account, got my email confirmed,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:39, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:31, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Here is a thougt, what if i just create a patch for Apache and submit the same patch to LibO? How exactly would that work. So far the discussion was about moving code

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On 14 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Greg Stein wrote: For a larger body of work, these kinds of (non-CLA) contributions become less clear. And without clear provenance, then Apache may not be able to take it.[1] Is the provenance that TDF secures at present sufficient for Apache's purposes? I'm

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 14:04, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Greg Stein wrote: For a larger body of work, these kinds of (non-CLA) contributions become less clear. And without clear provenance, then Apache may not be able to take it.[1] Is the provenance

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: You describe how all the committers and people on the steering committee know these details. Well, of course. But what about all the people at Apache who are trying to learn about the work you guys have done here? Trying to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: That is great news! Reading over the archives, I was surprised how some people who wished to contribute to both LOo and OOo were turned away (with a we don't want your kind here), and so seeing how LOo would now be open

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:04, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: You describe how all the committers and people on the steering committee know these details. Well, of course. But what about all the people at Apache who

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: We got our answer (before the vote) because Florian explained it. Our point is that other people visiting the site will not have Florian's attention. This has nothing to do with Apache, except by way of example and that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:52, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't think the questions that I posed had anything to do with merging, but simply the kinds of curiosity that TDF supporters may have (or those who may be interested in *becoming* supporters). They are irrelevant to

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Forking makes cooperation more expensive. Your intentions are less important than your consequences. Hello Keith, As long as you are hung up on forks, you might want to get your facts right. Sun created the official OOo distribution when they open sourced StarOffice. Sun maintained control of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: than your consequences. Forking makes cooperation more expensive. Your intentions are less important Sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree. From my side I would say it isn't that you guys don't have good

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.orgwrote: Forking makes cooperation more expensive. Your intentions are less important than your consequences. Hello Keith, As long as you are hung up on forks, you might want to get your facts right. Sun created the

[tdf-discuss] Re: [Ping Florian] nntp gmane posts to user list still not getting to the list

2011-06-14 Thread NoOp
On 06/13/2011 11:29 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Gary, NoOp wrote on 2011-06-14 03.00: Any idea when the issue with posting to the user list (gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user) ala your change from @libreoffice.org to @global.libreoffice.org will be fixed? On that list