2011/6/5 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
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Am 04.06.2011 18:41, schrieb Ian Lynch:
On 4 June 2011 17:29, Gianluca Turconipub...@letturefantastiche.com
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Is it sure there will be a *product*?
I think IBM need it for symphony so on those grounds alone I'd say there
will be
2011/6/5 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com
There is a third option. That is that something you believe in needs
something else you don't believe in in order to be achieved. It leaves a
dilemma. Some people switched a stance of anti-nuclear power because now
they believe it's better than CO2
Michael Münch ha scritto:
So for me to join the proposal feels like becoming one of the worst paid
IBM employees.
BTW, there would be some concerns about what kind of community will be
the new Apache OpenOffice one too. At least, I have them.
A development community, as I suppose, or a end
Allen Pulsifer ha scritto:
So what I would like to see is an many LibreOffice people at the table as
possible. If possible, I would like to see LibreOffice people dominating
the Apache OpenOffice community to get as much out of the project as we can.
Firstly, I've to say that I'm happy Oracle
Simos Xenitellis ha scritto:
Just like the Linux kernel is copyleft (GPL) and everyone contributes
to a single project, OpenOffice/LibreOffice should be copyleft, so
that all work goes to one place and is able grow fast.
BTW, LibreOffice code is even *LGPL*/MPL, enough corporation friendly, I
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:06:34, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha scritto:
Apologies for top posting, I'm on my phone. Perhaps did I get confused
for a
moment but I hear that Oracle will in fact retain the copyright on the
Openoffice codebase
I've read
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:14:16, Allen Pulsifer
pulsi...@openoffice.org ha scritto:
1. Oracle has granted the Apache Software Foundation a license to
distribute
the OpenOffice code under the Apache License. (To answer the question
Charles just posted, Oracle has retained ownership
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 17:59:04, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
That is why we need to see if it is possible to cooperate such that those
with a philosphical aversion to contributing to the Apache licensed code
don't have to yet still achieve some coherence in the code
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:33:26, Charles-H. Schulz
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My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis.
I'm reading the Groklaw article right now. is this
In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 18:41:23, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
Agreed, the IBM proprietary product would be a different beast from LO.
But
let's face it there are already many OOo variants out there. I don't
think
that changes that much. I think Michael's point about
2011/6/3 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
Gianluca Turconi wrote (02-06-11 09:48)
And IBM will *directly *contribute to the Apache new project!
See: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss
All it says: . As part of today's news, IBM will contribute staff
resources
2011/6/1 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
More:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm
It will be interesting to see how this works out how TDF will work
with ASF.
And IBM will *directly *contribute to the Apache new
Hola Richard,
In data 22 maggio 2011 alle ore 04:49:20, Richard richard.h...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
Hola Gianluca,
I made some minor edits and proofread the atricle.
Richard.
Yesterday, I forgot saying It's nice to see you here too. :-)
Thanks a lot for your revision.
BTW, what do you
Hello *,
I really need some native English speaker in order to proofread a LibO
tool draft proposal I made here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/LibreOfficeWiki/Proposed
Any discussion about corrections or the content of the proposal itself can
be done directly in the discussion
In data 21 maggio 2011 alle ore 18:13:20, Richard richard.h...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
Point me to the URL when you post it.
I'll give it a read.
Direct URL:
Hello *,
I really need some native English speaker in order to proofread a LibO
tool draft proposal I made here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/LibreOfficeWiki/Proposed
Any discussion about corrections or the content of the proposal itself can
be done directly in the
Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
I'd exactly agree with these statements libreoffice needs to have a
end user understanding not a developer understanding.
I disagree.
LibreOffice need to have *both*.
Simply we have to channel end users better towards LibreOffice, the
product and the
Michael Meeks wrote:
So - it is fairly clear that TDF will not be providing enterprise
support itself - and it is clear that others are/will-be.
Can I ask if this is a choice or a contingent duty related to the legal
nature of the Foundation in Germany?
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It seems to me that a simple structure of choices is what is called for,
first basic types of contributions, code, artwork, advertising and
promotion, distribution of burned disks, technical contribution not
requiring a knowledge of coding. Then when you have entered the
Hello *,
I've contributed for several years to the OOo project and I'm here
around the TDF/LibO one since its birth.
In this time, I've followed several mailing lists and projects and
though I know how much complex is a project of this kind, I really feel
a sensation of wastage of resources
Hi Sophie,
sophie wrote:
the system could be a bug tracker with a less technical UI than BZ, but
I think a wiki with a good template could be enough. Why do you say
dispersive?
Because you have to navigate *a lot* through the currently on line wiki
before finding the info a contributor may
sophie wrote:
So now, you've find what to do for your next free hours ;-)
I can, if I find some people with tech skills for the implementation. :-P
Of course, there are many things that should be discussed, among them
the level of detail for the help requests so that the whole structure
sophie wrote:
I think that we can draw the implementation first with a large scope on
the wiki, and narrow the levels little by little following the
discussion on the list.
And thanks for this proposal, Gianluca, I'll be happy to work with you
on it.
I've just posted to
a vernacular
language that it's very similar to others in that zone. :)
However, I can be wrong because I'm not a Roman. ;-)
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Il 14/11/2010 23.27, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto:
asking for a*forever* promise is maybe a bit too much - but rest
assured that I can't see anybody in his right mind axe Windows
support in the next ten years.;)
Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-)
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should focus on making LibO work the best
on Linux, and then focus on Windows and Mac OS.
Well, if there will be more Linux devs than Windows/Mac devs, it'll work
that way. It's natural selection. :)
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close this thread and go
ahead. There isn't even any need for discussing about a compromise.
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the difference between a vertical
foundation and a horizontal foundation as alternatives.
The fundamental differences are self-evident, IMO.
And I'm, for the life of me, now and forever, more in favor of a
vertical foundation: more powers, in good hands.
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Il 06/11/2010 17.50, Robert Holtzman ha scritto:
That's fine as long as those hands remain benevolent. Not always a good
assumption.
If you think so, no foundation is needed at all.
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phase, independently of the fair
evaluation of the alternatives.
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in which digital
agreements are equalized to written ones.
Since *nobody* can check all laws of the world, it would be a good
compromise btw legal safety and simplicity.
It isn't the best solution, but something is always better than nothing. :)
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Symphony 3 (4 weeks
both, for a programmed migration that didn't occurred), only IBM product
didn't decreased my productivity. It was not perfect, but it was
profitably usable for users different from newbies or MS Office adepts.
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too.
As long as we don't know where the real thing (the Foundation as legal
entity) will be registered, we can only say that a solution *may* work.
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) in
the unlucky case what he/she stated it isn't true and somebody else has
valid legal rights for the contribution.
A no signature involved, whatsoever approach is just too risky, IMO.
Of course, distributors *can* risk if they want.
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reasonably sure that feature will be implemented
in ODF specification.
Simply extending ODF (with good features, of course) on a vendor basis
is just fragmentation, IMO.
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pockets when
suing... ;-)
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depends on what foundation are in my country:
very strong and well defined legal entities that are different from a
simple association.
Sincerely, I still see the Foundation affair a bit too foggy and I'm
not sure I'll like it at the end.
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or to suggest people for that migration.
BTW, I really like the idea of a Foundation, and I always liked it.
Instead, I like a lot less the idea of a Community project, with or
without a TDF association in it.
I hope you understand what my point is, here.
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and/or work and is *certain*.
The contributor has a goal and the foundation still keeps a partially
discretional judgement of opportunity about his/her membership.
10 lines of code or a logo? Too low, at least *if* there is only *one*
class of foundation members.
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be a compromise between a fully free membership process and a
completely discretionary one.
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implicit in its actual actions, was
rather foreseeable by everybody, anyway.
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*if* this foundation has to have a steering role in the community, only.
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Example: I've contributed to LibO and gained TDF membership, can I vote
and decide for a TDF Mail Calendar subproject for which I've
contributed nothing?
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Maybe (a big maybe), I'd have differently acted *before* 28th Sept., but
*after* that day, I think everything has been done how it has to be
done, according to the founders' initial decisions.
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of members but with a
strong and evident commitment to the Charter's purposes rather than a
larger group with a questionable background and composed by members who
are contributing for *their* own purposes.
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Stricter initial rules make stronger organizations in the long run.
I understand there is a wish for a more open community, but you (pluralis
maiestatis) should be cautious not to overact pursuing freedom and falling
so in caos.
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acknowledged
That's what I meant.
Informal membership and right of vote are things that don't sound well in
the same sentence.
And a formal membership should include something more that simply having
contributed.
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the first time. :'(
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under File-Properties-General- Use User's data
Then you *must* fill your data in Tools-Options-LibreOffice-User data.
Finally, the cursor potion is remembered in each document created or saved
by the User data's owner.
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of Community Council's minutes is nothing surprising.
It's a very common corporate behavior when things go wrong: or you'll
resign or you'll be fired.
Well, you should be an employee of *that* corporation in order to be
fired, but you have understood me anyway, haven't you? ;-)
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... not a community approach. :(
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legal situation is complex like, always AFAIK,
the real legal status of the *whole* code base that, indeed, is rather
variegated, legally speaking.
I'm sure this is a main concern and priority of the TDF founders.
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into the
repositories under LGPL, it's an absolute duty for the new project.
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to them again. Woff... :(
Maybe a bigger warning banner should be added to the subscription page. I
know there already is a short wording about this matter there, but it's
not so clear.
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Charles Marcus wrote:
Its the very first beta being offered, it was inevitable some things
would be missed...
Unless - maybe legally the copyrights have to stay (hope not)?
It has to stay. :)
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In data 06 ottobre 2010 alle ore 08:39:47, Gianluca Turconi
gianl...@letturefantastiche.com ha scritto:
I'm subscribed to that list, but I haven't seen any news. Nor that list
is listed on TDF main website.
Errata corrige: it's listed under Contact but not under LibreOffice
section
In data 06 ottobre 2010 alle ore 00:46:04, Italo Vignoli
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I am not aware of the MPL.
And, indeed, it's just impossible re-licensing without Oracle endorsement,
expect for LGPL-GPL upgrade.
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In data 02 ottobre 2010 alle ore 15:18:15, Charles-H. Schulz
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I'm afraid that although we're still waiting for Oracle's position on the
trademark, we already have had a full competition and vote on the name.
And we also found out, that names
a mandatory requirement for marketing reasons?
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Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Nice to see you are still around :-)), and those are useful questions
that you raise;-)
Hi, Alex!
We're a bit older (nearly a decade, indeed!), but *both*, you and me,
are still around. That's good, isn't it? ;-P
I saw mention in one of the responses from one of
. Let's say we're in a transition period.
Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation
or is that point a work in progress too?
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