Is that Citrus UI stuff just a design study or actually implemented
somehow? Because I really think this is the way LibO should look like
- and work. The style replacement thing is great, and the unsaved
style suggests the user that there is such a thing as styles. The
problem with current
2010/11/10 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com
Is that Citrus UI stuff just a design study or actually implemented
somehow?
Unfortunately, it's just a mockup, just a suggestion to the Document
Foundation.
Because I really think this is the way LibO should look like
- and work. The
Le 2010-11-04 04:34, Sebastian Spaeth a écrit :
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote:
things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the
stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on
one-paged documents.
Removing the font chooser,
Quoting Michel Gagnon:
Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing
software, I would suggest that emphasis be
given, in order to the following nasty habits:
– proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash);
– proper use of indents and tabulations
2010/11/4 Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net:
- Take this text and assume I want to emphasize one word. I could simply do
Ctl-I and get the text in Italics or define a character style and apply it.
The character style may be warranted, but it's a multi-step process, and
quite frankly, if I
Quoting Michel Gagnon:
Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing
software, I would suggest that emphasis be
given, in order to the following nasty habits:
- proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash);
- proper use of indents and
Quoting Jim White:
I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of proper use are
those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we
encourage such proper use through the design of the UI, as well as through
education, many will be happier with the product.
-JimW
Le 2010-11-04 12:30, Jim White a écrit :
Quoting Michel Gagnon:
Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing
software, I would suggest that emphasis be
given, in order to the following nasty habits:
- proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs
Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote:
things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the
stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on
one-paged documents.
Removing the font chooser, and font-size
Robert, I'm sorry, but I must
disagree with you.I'm not a developer, I'm a user.I will admit that
I started with Microsoft Word (More years ago than I'm comfortable
admitting), but switched to OO.o as soon as it came out.It's only
just recently that I've begun to understand how to use (and create)
Il 02/11/2010 19.13, animesh meher ha scritto:
Has anyone considered the UI of IBM Symphony 3, its a step in the right
direction .
And now that most monitors have larger breath , we can use it to our advantage.
Definitely, +1.
Here are some screenshots taken from Symphony 3:
Il 02/11/2010 22.58, Christoph Noack ha scritto:
I would like to avoid the term ribbon in such discussions - if possible.
I know that many people do have mixed feelings (sometimes very strong
opinions) and sometimes require some more substantial knowledge what the
Microsoft Fluent concept is
Le 2010-11-03 03:50, Gianluca Turconi a écrit :
Il 02/11/2010 19.13, animesh meher ha scritto:
Has anyone considered the UI of IBM Symphony 3, its a step in the
right direction .
And now that most monitors have larger breath , we can use it to our
advantage.
Definitely, +1.
Here are some
I think all this dicussion on
radically altering the UI is unnecessary.
Well I think it is okay to have such discussions. You can say that you
like the current UI as it is, but this doesn't make new ideas
superfluous.
One of the advantages of LibreOffice/OOo over MS Office is that the
Hi Gianluca!
Am Mittwoch, den 03.11.2010, 09:01 +0100 schrieb Gianluca Turconi:
And, as a 10 years OOo user, I usually don't talk about concepts
(theory), but about productivity (reality).
Cool! We are definitively on the same side. What counts is usability and
productivity ... it is less
The OOo team has been working two years on Project Renaissance. And there is
a long running thread here in the discuss archives of a UI prototype. While
that particular prototype looks clean/sharp, I think all this dicussion on
radically altering the UI is unnecessary.
One of the advantages of
Has anyone considered the UI of IBM Symphony 3, its a step in the right
direction .
And now that most monitors have larger breath , we can use it to our advantage.
Animesh Meher
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:05:38 -0500
Subject: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented
Quoting T. J. Brumfield:
One of the advantages of LibreOffice/OOo over MS Office is that the
interface is familiar and easy to grasp. And while the Ribbon interface has
improved from 2007 to 2010, it is still unpopular for a reason. The core
ideal of a dynamic interface that shows the most
On 02/11/10 12:05 PM, T. J. Brumfield wrote:
The OOo team has been working two years on Project Renaissance. And there is
a long running thread here in the discuss archives of a UI prototype. While
that particular prototype looks clean/sharp, I think all this dicussion on
radically altering the
A big +1
That's why I started the thread about better defaults: this will help
a lot more than a new, shiny but unknown interface.
OOo/LibO interface IS modern and flexible (contextual toolbars,
dockers... everything customizable), but it have horrible defaults
values.
A couple of fixes here and
Hi T.J.!
Am Dienstag, den 02.11.2010, 13:05 -0500 schrieb T. J. Brumfield:
I truly believe the current approach works and should be maintained,
but
improved. There might be some slight tweaks in how the menus are
organized.
Toolbar defaults might be optimized. And the overall UI could be
Quoting T. J. Brumfield:
As someone who uses both MS Office and OOo on a daily basis, I find the OOo
FAR MORE USABLE for an advanced user. Every day there are tasks I want to
accomplish in MS Office, but I can't find the appropriate option in the
Ribbon interface. It drives me nuts.
It drives
Hi T.J.!
Am Dienstag, den 02.11.2010, 16:27 -0500 schrieb T. J. Brumfield:
Restructuring the menus isn't the massive drastic change many people have
talked about. I'm fine with restructuring the menus, and encourage it.
However, all the Renaissance mock-ups/prototypes I've seen seem to mimic
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