RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Pieter E. Zanstra
From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:34 PM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again What's wrong with reading mailing list messages in digest mode and going to the searchable archive as and when appropriate. Because

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Pieter, *, Pieter E. Zanstra schrieb: From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com] What's wrong with reading mailing list messages in digest mode and going to the searchable archive as and when appropriate. Because people never keep focus in email, texting and twitter. Those are the worst

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 29 April 2011 16:33, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I'm sure Bill Gates said leave those toy phones to Nokia, RIM and Apple. Google seem to have been smarter. As mobile and web technologies take over I can see much harder times ahead for anyone dependent on local

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Isaac Hummel
On 04/29/2011 11:33 AM, e-letter wrote: Not sure that a web forum suddenly makes the use of LO more appealing to non-geeks What's wrong with reading mailing list messages in digest mode and going to the searchable archive as and when appropriate. Has the been a poll on mailing list against

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Isaac Hummel
On 04/29/2011 05:54 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: I don't know what lists you have seen but I've seen quite a number of looong threads with highly involved posts and equally involved replies. IMO forums, texting, and twitter appeal to younger users with their shorter attention spans. Also, the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/04/2011 16:03, Ian Lynch wrote: Those reliant of distant web servers without no knowledge of data security employed by service providers are being naive. Most people are not going to worry about it if it works for them and is more

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-28 Thread sb73542
How about the issue that I mentioned earlier? At http://www.sitedossier.com/ip/174.121.218.38 it shows that there are 858 websites hosted at the same dedicated server as LibreOfficeForum.org. Hi again, Yes, I am using a shared hosting platform. I never claimed otherwise. I have used

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-28 Thread James Wilde
Thanks Drew, that's good enough for me. On Apr 27, 2011, at 18:12 , drew wrote: On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:55 +0200, James Wilde wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-28 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:28 AM, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: How about the issue that I mentioned earlier? At http://www.sitedossier.com/ip/174.121.218.38 it shows that there are 858 websites hosted at the same dedicated server as LibreOfficeForum.org. Hi again, Yes, I am using a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-28 Thread Isaac Hummel
On 04/18/2011 03:11 PM, RGB ES wrote: Well, even if I'd said that the ancient forums vs mailing lists war was not the point but *what people use*, the forums vs. mailing lists useless fight came again... At first I was tempted to refer how the English forums have near 200 new message each day

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread sb73542
Hi again, Thanks to everyone who has expressed a balanced, objective opinion about this. I don't want to spend a lot time here arguing about ads. I understand that it's a sensitive subject, I'm sorry that some people disagree, and I respect their opinions. But I would like to mention that I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread Jaime R. Garza
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 07:13, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: Hi again, Thanks to everyone who has expressed a balanced, objective opinion about this. I don't want to spend a lot time here arguing about ads. I understand that it's a sensitive subject, I'm sorry that some people

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:13 AM, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: Hi again, Thanks to everyone who has expressed a balanced, objective opinion about this. I don't want to spend a lot time here arguing about ads. I understand that it's a sensitive subject, I'm sorry that some people

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread James Wilde
On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:55 +0200, James Wilde wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread Ben McGinnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 28/04/11 12:40 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: How about the issue that I mentioned earlier? At http://www.sitedossier.com/ip/174.121.218.38 it shows that there are 858 websites hosted at the same dedicated server as LibreOfficeForum.org.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-27 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/26/2011 09:57 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. +1 I appreciate the effort Sam has made to create libreofficeforum.org. Like Sam, I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread sb73542
Hi everyone, I am the creator of LibreOfficeForum.org. I'd just like to set a few things straight. 1. The forum DOES have full categories, similar to the two major OpenOffice.org forums. Please look at /forum or click on the Forums button toward the upper left. I prefer the Recent posts listing,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:38, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: I am the creator of LibreOfficeForum.org. I am going to post link to varous LibreOffice / OpenOffice.org support forums on the LibreOffice website's Getting Help page, and LibreOfficeForum.org will be listed. Thank you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew is willing to debate the matter. Maybe a solution could be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 4/26/11 6:10 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Including ads for companies selling Microsoft Office. I find that offensive. I think exactly the opposite. Given the way the ads are placed, the fact that there are ads of companies selling MS Office qualifies the visitors of the web site as a proper

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Andy Brown
David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew is willing to debate the matter.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: Hi everyone, I am the creator of LibreOfficeForum.org. I'd just like to set a few things straight. ... 2. Ads. Yes, we have them. They are only Adsense text ads, I do not and will never permit image ads or 3rd party

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Jaime R. Garza
David, I feel that this is wrong, not on your part as you are only following directions. If this is the stand that the TDF wishes to take then there is going to be a lot of support lost. I really find all this discussion ridiculous, it should not be allowed to make advertising for the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 4/26/11 8:57 PM, Andy Brown wrote: I feel that this is wrong, not on your part as you are only following directions. If this is the stand that the TDF wishes to take then there is going to be a lot of support lost. I am a member of the steering committee, but here I am speaking for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Andy Brown
Jaime R. Garza wrote: David, I feel that this is wrong, not on your part as you are only following directions. If this is the stand that the TDF wishes to take then there is going to be a lot of support lost. I really find all this discussion ridiculous, it should not be allowed to make

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Andy Brown
Italo Vignoli wrote: On 4/26/11 8:57 PM, Andy Brown wrote: I feel that this is wrong, not on your part as you are only following directions. If this is the stand that the TDF wishes to take then there is going to be a lot of support lost. I am a member of the steering committee, but here I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Andy Brown
Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM,sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: Hi everyone, I am the creator of LibreOfficeForum.org. I'd just like to set a few things straight. ... 2. Ads. Yes, we have them. They are only Adsense text ads, I do not and will never permit

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-26 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:13 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/04/2011 08:44, Christian Lohmaier wrote: It is OK if it has a paypal or whatever donate link to explicitly cover the costs of running the server (but it must be clear that this You do realize that the organization

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Augistine, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need to take specific steps to block ads from that site).

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Augistine, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Drew, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: [...] In general I would like to see the ads limited and focused, but out

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 12:27 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Drew, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: [...]

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 04/25/2011 05:07 AM, drew wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 12:27 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: It is the impression that the user will get. Clicking a donate button is a voluntary choice by the user clicking that button. Being presented/forced to view an advertisement is not an optional

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-04-25 4:36 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/25 2:13 PM Charles Marcus wrote: Being contrary to the spirit of making money is being contrary to the spirit of life itself Bullshit. Making money has nothing to do with the spirit of life. No bullshit... it has everything to do with

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2011 03:29, Larry Gusaas wrote: Someone makes money any time an ad is clicked on. That is contrary to the spirit of using open source software. Open Source Software is about LIBRE. Gratis is completely and utterly irrelevant to FLOSS.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-25 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2011 08:44, Christian Lohmaier wrote: It is OK if it has a paypal or whatever donate link to explicitly cover the costs of running the server (but it must be clear that this You do realize that the organization that puts up the donation

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Andy Brown
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus, even though I started from the en. subdomain

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Andy Brown
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 1:05 PM Andy Brown wrote: adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 4/24/11 2:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: What do you mean by Uncategorized? If you feel there is something that will make the forum better I am sure that it can be looked at by the management. good to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Andy Brown
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:43 PM Andy Brown wrote: This comes as a surprise to me. I do not see any ads before or after I login. Andy You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Augustine Souza
I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need to take specific steps to block ads from that site). One more advantage of forums is that sig files are restricted in length and readers aren't

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:21:03PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/04/24 12:14 PM adept techlists - kazar wrote: Ah, OK, i just searched for libreoffice forum and found http://en.libreofficeforum.org/. Uncategorized, and I believe forums with categories are better learning tools. Plus,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:51:53PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: You won't see them if you have AdBlock or other ad blocking extensions for your browser. That doesn't change the fact that there is a commercial aspect to the forum. With Adlock and noscript disabled I see no ads. Larry --

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-20 Thread Jason Corfman
so - If you think that neither of the OO.o forums are good alternatives what would you suggest? If http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum is going to be sticking around, I'd happily suggest it, but I just don't know what Oracle will do with it. Jason Corfman comput...@corfyscorner.com -

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-18 Thread Jason Corfman
From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a community forum, it was set up back in 2007 on (then) Sun servers, which are currently

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-18 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:15 -0400, Jason Corfman wrote: From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a community forum, it was set up

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Aqualung, 2011/4/17 aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com See, I learned about this forum (it isn't really a forum, it's something concocted out of mailing lists to sort of resemble a real forum) by accident one month ago, from a http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/17/flattr-us/

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT), aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But there are existing LibreOffice and OpenOffice forums. I still don't get the point. Why aren't the users of LibreOffice being told about them?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi aqualung, *, aqualung schrieb: Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But there are existing LibreOffice and OpenOffice forums. I still don't get the point. Why aren't the users of LibreOffice being told about them? Whom do You accuse here? www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ is the Help page. Let's see

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread RGB ES
Aqualung already listed the content of the get-help page and the lack of any reference to existing forums and that is my main point too (don't worry, I'll not talk about socialism nor capitalism... ;) ). I'll not quote anyone in particular here, so let's see if I can make the whole idea more clear

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread sophie
On 17/04/2011 22:33, RGB ES wrote: Aqualung already listed the content of the get-help page and the lack of any reference to existing forums and that is my main point too (don't worry, I'll not talk about socialism nor capitalism... ;) ). I'll not quote anyone in particular here, so let's see if

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/17 sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com: On 17/04/2011 22:33, RGB ES wrote: Aqualung already listed the content of the get-help page and the lack of any reference to existing forums and that is my main point too (don't worry, I'll not talk about socialism nor capitalism... ;) ). I'll not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi aqualung, *, aqualung schrieb: [..] Anyway, I'm glad that people are responding. I guess it proves the adage, the squeaky wheel gets the grease Tell you what, give me the keys to that page and I'll fix it for ya. Do You have an account on the CMS? If not, someone might have the link at