[steering-discuss] SC Call on Saturday

2011-06-21 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

I might not be able to join the SC Call on Saturday, as I am on the TDF 
admin weekend in Munich. Christoph, can you jump in for me?


Thanks,
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Re: [steering-discuss] SC Call on Saturday

2011-06-21 Thread David Emmerich Jourdain
Hi Florian,

2011/6/21 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 Hi,

 I might not be able to join the SC Call on Saturday, as I am on the TDF
 admin weekend in Munich. Christoph, can you jump in for me?


I got a question about this calls, until now via skype.

The last time I talked with Olivier about this calls, he told me that Skype
is not always supporting us all in conversation. And even with the Talkyoo
helping, still happens any technical difficulties (here and there).

I would suggest that (maybe) be interesting to test the TeamSpeak.
We can configure a service on a TDF-server to receive the calls, and each
participant will have a login to use it in these calls.

It's just a suggestion, an idea.
My 2 euros, 'cause 2 cents is too little. ;-)

MfG.,

David


 Thanks,
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Re: [steering-discuss] SC Call on Saturday

2011-06-21 Thread Thorsten Behrens
David Emmerich Jourdain wrote:
 I would suggest that (maybe) be interesting to test the TeamSpeak.
 We can configure a service on a TDF-server to receive the calls, and each
 participant will have a login to use it in these calls.
 
Hm, if we go for our own solution - I'd rather suggest Mumble
(http://mumble.sourceforge.net/). That reportedly works very well
for a number of people.

I gather TeamSpeak is not opensource?

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Re: [steering-discuss] SC Call on Saturday

2011-06-21 Thread David Emmerich Jourdain
Hi Thorsten, hi all,

2011/6/21 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org

 David Emmerich Jourdain wrote:
  I would suggest that (maybe) be interesting to test the TeamSpeak.
  We can configure a service on a TDF-server to receive the calls, and each
  participant will have a login to use it in these calls.
 
 Hm, if we go for our own solution - I'd rather suggest Mumble
 (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/). That reportedly works very well
 for a number of people.


Maybe a better option, I think. I know mumble, but I have never used
intensively. So, I can't comment about performance.


 I gather TeamSpeak is not opensource?


No. TeamSpeak is not opensource, as our current solution.
I was only thinking to consider another tool, to guarantee quality to the
calls.

But, as you suggested, perhaps mumble is a better option.

MfG.,

David


 Cheers,

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[steering-discuss] Re: SC Call on Saturday

2011-06-21 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Florian!

Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2011, 14:39 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger:
 Hi,
 
 I might not be able to join the SC Call on Saturday, as I am on the TDF 
 admin weekend in Munich. Christoph, can you jump in for me?

Hehe, I'm visiting my sister's family as well - but should be doable
somehow; as long as we can stick with a usual phone conference.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to test/stabilize the mumble service
until the weekend.

I hope this will be okay for the other participants. And, nice having
the opportunity (duty?) to join again :-)

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:18:34 +0200
Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org wrote:

  1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box
  which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should
  read a specific Wiki page,
  for example
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode
 
 I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
 modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
 source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
 download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
 misleading.

In this case the distributions could modifiy the about box as well and
change the link accordingly... 
Or just add an additional link to their specific version.

 We provide all the required source tarballs for each version and every
 piece of code is in our git repository. So we fulfill all the
 requirements but we have the problem that it's not easy to find. I
 guess writing a good text about how to get the source code for every
 version and place it in our download page (or a link to the wiki page)
 is good enough.

Should be sufficient as well.

Manfred


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest

2011-06-21 Thread John LeMoyne Castle
Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0  
I am still interested Drew and I had this thought: 
Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the
attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report
issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on
appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known
issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to
them as users. 
Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and
skillful users. 
LeMoyne

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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Manfred Usselmann wrote:
  I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
  modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
  source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
  download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
  misleading.
 
 In this case the distributions could modifiy the about box as well and
 change the link accordingly... 
 Or just add an additional link to their specific version.
 
I see little point in burdening distros with writing specific
instructions into tons of about boxes of their software, when there
are well-known distro methods to get the source (pkg-manager
install pkgname-src). Especially since all of that needs to be
translated into ~100 languages.

  We provide all the required source tarballs for each version and every
  piece of code is in our git repository. So we fulfill all the
  requirements but we have the problem that it's not easy to find. I
  guess writing a good text about how to get the source code for every
  version and place it in our download page (or a link to the wiki page)
  is good enough.
 
 Should be sufficient as well.
 
Sure, let's link to some build howto also from the download page -
but I consider this discussion somewhat moot, since anyone wanting
to modify and/or compile LibreOffice code (which is the whole
spirit behind copyleft) will surely visit the Get Involved or
Developers subpages (that are very prominently visible on the
libreoffice site). And that has all the info.

In closing, when a version is retired (3.3.2 is superseded by
3.3.3), both src and binary gets moved to

http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

So nothing is lost. :)

Cheers,

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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
2011/6/21 Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org:
 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which
 says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a
 specific Wiki page,
 for example 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode

 I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
 modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
 source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
 download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
 misleading.


As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes
to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add
packaging instructions.
If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive
LibreOffice development
and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us
who they are.
I would not see this as a show stopper; we can just append something like

If you did not receive LibreOffice from http://www.libreoffice.org/,
there might exist extra changes
to the source code. Consult the distributor that gave you the
LibreOffice installation packages for more details.

 We provide all the required source tarballs for each version and every
 piece of code is in our git repository. So we fulfill all the
 requirements but we have the problem that it's not easy to find. I
 guess writing a good text about how to get the source code for every
 version and place it in our download page (or a link to the wiki page)
 is good enough.


So, everyone agrees that in any case we should write a nice wiki page
that explains the merits of the copyleft LibreOffice?
That is, a Wiki page that explains in simple terms how to benefit from
the source code.
Stage 1 would be to simply visit
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/ and select the version they
have.
For LibreOffice 3.3.2 and the Writer module, it's
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/writer/tree/?h=libreoffice-3-3-2
From there, you can view the files online.

Stage 2 would be to clone the source code repositories. The compressed
repositories are about 1.2GB,
and with the working copies they should reach about 2GB.
Then, with git commands it is possible to switch to any branch/version
of LibreOffice (such as 3.3.2).
Using Git source code tools, it is easy to view changes.
For example, see http://trac.novowork.com/gitg/wiki/Screenshots

Stage 3 would be to compile the whole lot and produce a new version of
LibreOffice.

Stage 4 would be to make an elemental change in LibreOffice (such as
modify slightly the About dialog box),
compile, and view the change in the newly produced LibreOffice.

I think that such a document will empower the end-users, and make them
appreciate the fact that LibreOffice is copyleft.

Simos

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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sveinn í Felli

Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org:

1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which
says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a
specific Wiki page,
for example 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode


I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
misleading.



As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes
to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add
packaging instructions.
If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive
LibreOffice development
and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us
who they are.


At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing 
extensive 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time.


Example:
http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding

Regards,
Sveinn í Felli


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
I proposed a talk on OOo / LO and plan to attend. Did not put in much 
time on the proposal so not sure if it will be accepted. If something is 
happening there, count me in.


On 06/21/2011 02:46 AM, John LeMoyne Castle wrote:

Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0
I am still interested Drew and I had this thought:
Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the
attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report
issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on
appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known
issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to
them as users.
Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and
skillful users.
LeMoyne

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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is wrote:
 Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

 2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org:

 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which
 says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a
 specific Wiki page,
 for example
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode

 I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
 modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
 source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
 download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
 misleading.


 As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes
 to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add
 packaging instructions.
 If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive
 LibreOffice development
 and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us
 who they are.

 At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing extensive
 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time.

 Example:
 http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding


I opened the file (file-roller can open .rpm files) and I only saw
some OpenSUSE branding icons and a small rc file.
There was no code in there, and the file is a 'noarch' one (No Architecture).

Perhaps you are referring to a different file?

Simos

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest

2011-06-21 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:25 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
 I proposed a talk on OOo / LO and plan to attend. Did not put in much 
 time on the proposal so not sure if it will be accepted. If something is 
 happening there, count me in.

Hi Andres,

It is great to see you here.

So where is this:

Talked with Beth Ann E. at SELF 10 days ago about, she was very
enthusiastic and wanted me to contact her direct about getting it done.

Tried to get a little interest started here first - that seems to be
getting traction, so sent her a message a couple of days ago. No
response yet, thought I'd wait till tomorrow before pinging her again.

No formal proposal to them yet, but was thinking that is a good way to
ping her - didn't check if the OHLF website is still taking them as the
cut-off date has passed - so might still have to rely on a direct email.

Anyway - would really be excited about you participating - I'm kind of
running blind as to what exactly is needed for this. Might be over
thinking it (I have that tendency at times).

best wishes,

Drew

 
 On 06/21/2011 02:46 AM, John LeMoyne Castle wrote:
  Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0
  I am still interested Drew and I had this thought:
  Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the
  attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report
  issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on
  appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known
  issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to
  them as users.
  Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and
  skillful users.
  LeMoyne
 
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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sirrý



Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:11, skrifaði Sveinn í Felli:

Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org:

1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About
dialog box which
says that if we are interested in the source code, we
should read a
specific Wiki page,
for example
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode



I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
modifications to the original source code. That means
that the *real*
source code will be the one from your distro and not the
one you can
download from the LibO website, hence the information
will be
misleading.



As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no
changes
to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do
is add
packaging instructions.
If you have information of a distribution that performs
extensive
LibreOffice development
and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then
please tell us
who they are.


At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing
extensive 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time.

Example:
http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding


Regards,
Sveinn í Felli



Better link here:
http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=libreoffice-brandingbaseproject=openSUSE%3A11.4lang=enexclude_debug=true

Regards,
Sveinn


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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Sveinn í Felli



Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:46, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is  wrote:

Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:


2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org:


1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which
says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a
specific Wiki page,
for example
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode


I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
misleading.



As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes
to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add
packaging instructions.
If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive
LibreOffice development
and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us
who they are.


At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing extensive
'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time.

Example:
http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding



I opened the file (file-roller can open .rpm files) and I only saw
some OpenSUSE branding icons and a small rc file.
There was no code in there, and the file is a 'noarch' one (No Architecture).

Perhaps you are referring to a different file?

Simos



Better link here:
http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=libreoffice-brandingbaseproject=openSUSE%3A11.4lang=enexclude_debug=true

BTW, there may be other packages as well.

regards,
Sveinn


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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is wrote:


 Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:46, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is  wrote:

 Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis:

 2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org:

 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which
 says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a
 specific Wiki page,
 for example

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode

 I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make
 modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real*
 source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can
 download from the LibO website, hence the information will be
 misleading.


 As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes
 to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add
 packaging instructions.
 If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive
 LibreOffice development
 and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us
 who they are.

 At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing extensive
 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time.

 Example:

 http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding


 I opened the file (file-roller can open .rpm files) and I only saw
 some OpenSUSE branding icons and a small rc file.
 There was no code in there, and the file is a 'noarch' one (No
 Architecture).

 Perhaps you are referring to a different file?

 Simos


 Better link here:
 http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=libreoffice-brandingbaseproject=openSUSE%3A11.4lang=enexclude_debug=true

 BTW, there may be other packages as well.


I checked those files as well. They are all 'noarch' (do not contain
compiled programs; No Architecture),
and contain the same .png branding images.

Simos

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Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-21 Thread Jesús Corrius
 I checked those files as well. They are all 'noarch' (do not contain
 compiled programs; No Architecture),
 and contain the same .png branding images.

The license not only covers the code, also the images. So if those
images are in the program, the source code must include them.

That's why the link to the source code has to point to them too, that
is, it must point to the modified source code of your distribution.
And not the original at LibreOffice's. Or point to both ;)

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[tdf-discuss] TDF Certification

2011-06-21 Thread Italo Vignoli

The document is on the wiki.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification

This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free 
software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one 
of the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for 
the code.


Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be 
on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real 
project after a long incubation.


Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions.

Ciao, Italo

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