Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
And now I have to eat humble pie and apologise profusely. I did a search back over the marketing list and the announcement is there on the 28th posted by Varun. I don't know how I missed it and now I feel like such an idiot Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I shall now go hide in a hole somewheres. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Bugs pending from Openoffice
Hi I have been using OO since long. I have been developing an IME extension for Asian Scripts in Unicode and encountered several bugs in handling/rendering Unicode Asian fonts and filed issues with OO (which .are yet to be fixed since a long time now), including a new one today. Would LibreOffice consider taking-over fixing the pending issues from OO or would I have to file bug reports afresh with LO ? ; else I have no way of migrating to LO (-. Regards Yajva -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [MAILING LIST] interim structuring - a proposal
Hi Christoph, Thorsten, Am Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:10:27 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: I do see the don't irritate non-technical QA people argument - but on the other hand I *do* want to get them technically savvy over time, and pick up the 'smell' on were to invest time, if stereotypeDev A starts to hack on the uno registry code again/stereotype. That's how it started for me. I'm still at the very beginning of coding at maybe I'm way to old to ever learn it entirely but I wanted to have some menu points in the Mac Menu of OOo once the Start Center and/or the last window is closed and you only see the menu bar. So I asked Eric Bachard where to look in the code for this menu part and after he told me I began reading that code parts and after some trial and error figured out how to manipulate them. I'm now happy that - at least in LibreOffice Beta - the changes I did are in the build and perhaps even better than I could have done them but it's a starting point. And when you do QA and talk about this on various fairs people come up with ideas and now that I did my first hackings I'm a step further into LibO/OOo. Building two camps again, I fear, will not yield the kind of collaborative athmosphere I so clearly envision for QA/Dev - case in point is one Raphael Bircher, who loudly complains about perceived problems doing QA in LibO - I want those concerns voiced on a list were they can be discussed with the devs, not to echo unheard in some zoo made up for QA. ;) +1 (I could probably live with a b...@tdf alias, where discussions is purely about bugs, how to reproduce them, etc - but really, QA is much more than that) +1 Eric -- ## de.OpenOffice.org - Office für MacOS X, Linux, Solaris Windows ## Openoffice.org - ich steck mit drin! -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Very large icons in toolbar
Hi James, Am Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:23:05 +0200 schrieb James Wilde: On Oct 3, 2010, at 17:17 , James Wilde wrote: LO 3.3beta Mac OSX 10.6.4 Have just opened a writer document, and the toolbar icons are very much bigger than the ones I have been using in OOo. Have not yet found a way to reduce the size of them, neither by checking intuitive locations nor from the help. Never mind - found it. Sorry. It would be more useful for other users out there if you tell them how you solved your problem. Eric -- ## de.OpenOffice.org - Office für MacOS X, Linux, Solaris Windows ## Openoffice.org - ich steck mit drin! -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] TDF and KOffice
Is there any collaboration between KDE's KOffice and TDF? -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF and KOffice
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any collaboration between KDE's KOffice and TDF? Would you like to be a bit more specific ? I did notice a somewhat long discussion between you and @aseigo over identi.ca - is this contextually related ? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF and KOffice
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any collaboration between KDE's KOffice and TDF? Would you like to be a bit more specific ? I was supposed to ask this question in earlier as I could not see KDE in the supporters list. for example: Mozilla Foundation had joint research projects with Google Simply I just want to know are we open to work with other foss projects specially similar applications, such as KOffice. (we might now work with OO.org if Oracle not accepting the invitation.) I did notice a somewhat long discussion between you and @aseigo over identi.ca - is this contextually related ? yes, we were in a discussion and we might continue it ;-) it was really good to know how they think about new foundation -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Sponsors?
I've been lurking here for a while just reading and soaking up all the info rmation that is being discussed here. There is one topic I have not seen y et. Several big names have been waved as sponsors... Google, Novell and so on, but no comment on what that sponsorship means for LibO. Are the s ponsors providing financial support, or are they just saying 'We like Lib O'? What does this sponsorship really mean? Jim -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
RE: [tdf-discuss] Sponsors?
I've been lurking here for a while just reading and soaking up all the info rmation that is being discussed here. There is one topic I have not se en y et. Several big names have been waved as sponsors... Google, Novell and so on, but no comment on what that sponsorship means for LibO. Are t he s ponsors providing financial support, or are they just saying 'We like Lib O'? What does this sponsorship really mean? The page on TDF website is titled Supporters not Sponsors and the opening sentence is The idea behind The Document Foundation is already supported by many organisations. This does not necessary mean financial support, though of course it would be great if that happens too. I suspect anyone using the word sponsor made a typing error. OK, so I have misunderstood what it means to be a supporter. I will rephrase my question to state, what does this support from Google , Novell and others really mean for LibO? Who is paying for all this? S uccessful open source projects always seem to have a company backing them u p. Canonical supports Ubuntu for example. Without Canonical, I do not b elieve Ubuntu would be where it is, or even exist. Will those supporters fill the spot for LibO? Jim -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Learn to quote
In data lunedì 4 ottobre 2010 15:47:59, Nguyen Vu Hung ha scritto: for the sake of usability of this list for all readers, please have a l oo k at: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html @List masters: We should add a warning: Posting rules: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html at the end of every emails sending to the list. Like this: I agree! -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Feature Request
Hi, Is this the right place to discuss feature requests please? Paul -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice md5sum
Hi, Is there an Md5 Checksum for the new beta of LibeOffice? Thanks -- Bashar Maree -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] I want to contribute as a translator
Hi, I'm spanish language native and I would like to contribute as a spanish translator. I was translated some chapters of Migration's guide of OOo and another marketing material. I'm interested to know how TDF will manage the user documentation From my point of view ,LibreOffice could be an oportunity to improve OOo experienced in order to get a better office suite application. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
In data sabato 2 ottobre 2010 19:00:20, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: Gianluca Turconi wrote: Was the Office suffix a mandatory requirement for marketing reasons? Of course not, but most of the people involved in the project since the first day felt that office was stressing the continuity between the past and the future. We have considered names without office, but we have not been able to find anything good enough to become memorable. Though, we have found a nice acronym: LibO, pronounced libò. FreeOffice? :-) Does it already exist? -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice md5sum
Hi Bashar, Am 05.10.2010 um 14:56 schrieb Bashar Maree: Is there an Md5 Checksum for the new beta of LibeOffice? Thanks There are MD5 hashes here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/ There are also further hashes (SHA1, SHA256) if you click on Details next to one of the files. HTH, Peter -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Valter Mura wrote: Those that were in the loop are part of the group of founding members: there has not been any deliberate process for bringing in friends. We have all earned - if I can use this term - the right to belong to the group based on merit and contribution. I agree with you Italo. But, as a long lasting active member of the Italian Localization Team, could I become a member of the Document Foundation? Is there a process for that? I mean, like applying for the PLIO? I wonder: do I have the right to participate in the Foundation, not only as a volunteer in a specific area (in my case, localization)? I would say, definitely yes. If you look at the web site, the foundation will be a meritocracy (I think that Ubuntu calls it a do-ocracy, but there might be dozens of flavours of the same concept). My friends are working hard at opening new mailing lists, and the localization is already active at l...@libreoffice.org (subscription works as for the other lists: l10n+subscr...@libreoffice.org). We are working hard also at setting up the foundation, but in the meantime every additional hand is really welcome, although it may be difficult to give each one a specific role now. Things are a little hectic at the moment (we have all reduced our amount of sleep). You know, OOo is really huge, and TDF will not be a foundation like many others, because it will be a baby with the size of an adult. What I can suggest at the moment is to watch carefully the progress, and jump on board as soon as possible. Of course, if you have a specific question, feel free to drop me a line. Thanks, Italo -- Italo Vignoli Mobile: +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Email: italo.vign...@gmail.com - Skype: italovignoli -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO - was New name
2010/10/5 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com On Oct 5, 2010, at 13:53 , Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis wrote: I don't like the name LibreOffice but the I like acronym LibO. I'm neutral about LibreOffice, but I agree about LibO. And I can guarantee that it will go over big here in Sweden. We have all kinds of xxxO here, for example: JO justice ombudsman (an ombudsman is the citizens' representative in government) DO discrimination ombudsman JämOequality of the sexes ombudsman HomOequality of sexual orientation ombudsman and now LibOlibertarian ombudsman? Sorry, couldn't resist it. :) //James A rose by any other name - but if we get a Swedish language pack, it should indeed become popular Henri -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] I want to contribute as a translator
Hi Martin, Welcome to LibreOffice l10n :) On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Martin mar...@responsivehelp.com wrote: Hi, I'm spanish language native and I would like to contribute as a spanish translator. I was translated some chapters of Migration's guide of OOo and another marketing material. I'm interested to know how TDF will manage the user documentation From my point of view ,LibreOffice could be an oportunity to improve OOo experienced in order to get a better office suite application. Pls subscribe to the l10n list l10n+subscr...@libreoffice.org l10n%2bsubscr...@libreoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
On 2010-10-05 10:15 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Seriously, it is cute, catchy and fluffy! It looks like it will be adopted by everyone just be the sheer fact of usage or common practice. LibO (a.k.a LibreOffice) Too bad none of the main libo domains (I checked .com/org) are available. .. -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request
Wouldn't it be better to 'implement' something like http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu's Brainstorm for feature requests of LibO ? Dell has also such a kind of http://www.ideastorm.com/ IdeaStorm -- View this message in context: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Feature-Request-tp1635374p1636748.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature Request
There is also a brainstorm section on kde forums: http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#cat83 several ideas implemented on recent kde versions where first discussed ther e 2010/10/5 henke54 henk...@gmail.com: Wouldn't it be better to 'implement' something like http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu's Brainstorm for feature requests of LibO ? Dell has also such a kind of http://www.ideastorm.com/ IdeaStorm -- View this message in context: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble. com/Feature-Request-tp1635374p1636748.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfound ation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/di scuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] eWeek coverage of LibreOffice
jcausey_df wrote: Just passing along some coverage of LibreOffice coming out today in eWeek's updates: OpenOffice.org Launches LibreOffice Suite to Break Free of Oracle http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise-Applications/OpenOfficeorg-Launches-LibreOffice-Suite-to-Break-Free-of-Oracle-419664/ I wonder whether this paragraph from the above article is true: --- LibreOffice will have a dual license, falling under LGPLv3+ and MPL (GNU Lesser General Public License and Mozilla Public License). --- or if it just one of the many unsourced, unchecked statements about LibreOffice appearing here and there these days. Regards, Andrea Pescetti. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [PM] Formel-Konverter (war: Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?)
sorry, this mail should have been sent as PM but I hit the wrong button. On Tuesday 05 October 2010 21:25, Nino Novak wrote: Hallo Regina, ... -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Re: New name
I don't like LibO because I don't like medial capitals (!). For me LO to mean Liberty Office (Software). -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Hi Andy! Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:10 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 15:12:06 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Martin, from Oracle, was linking to this article: http://tinyurl.com/36u3ksn Well, a person from Oracle referred to that article ... so they might also know where they put that statement. :-) It would be interesting to get a copy of the comment. Indeed :-) But then we have to ask Graham, whether he is so kind to tell us where to find Martin's mail. It has already been cited by Kürti on this list: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00282.html A repeat of the news article. Aha. But what you mean? :-) Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Good evening Graham! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 19:24 +1300 schrieb Graham Lauder: Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I shall now go hide in a hole somewheres. Oh, please do not :-) I owe you a lot of respect to state this here, really. Vice versa, please (everyone) please accept our apologies if things sometimes don't work like expected. Especially if it takes us so long to resolve such a (rather) small mis-understanding. So please let's continue to work together ... at the end, it is about the value of the idea :-) Bye, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
In data martedì 5 ottobre 2010 18:04:26, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: --cut-- You know, OOo is really huge, and TDF will not be a foundation like many others, because it will be a baby with the size of an adult. What I can suggest at the moment is to watch carefully the progress, and jump on board as soon as possible. thanks for the clarification, Italo Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious was(Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name)
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 16:15 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/2010 10:16 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: Oh Dude - you so funny... I don't understand what that means. *ducks* Yo Steven, I believe that in this instance you are using the word ducks not as reference to a group of water fowl, rather to a quick, often reflexive and autonomic in nature, movement of your head in an attempt to protect said noggen from impending harm. Of course I would need video to be certain. (my apologies to the list - I tried to resist, really I did) Glad to see you here. Johnathon, good to see you here also, I hope you will be as active on the new users mailing list here as you have been at OpenOffice.org over the years. Drew ps - of course if you did mean water fowl, no ducks here that I know of, lots of penguins! -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
On Tue Oct 05 2010 14:10:26 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Andy! Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:10 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 15:12:06 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Martin, from Oracle, was linking to this article: http://tinyurl.com/36u3ksn Well, a person from Oracle referred to that article ... so they might also know where they put that statement. :-) It would be interesting to get a copy of the comment. Indeed :-) But then we have to ask Graham, whether he is so kind to tell us where to find Martin's mail. The article only states Oracle said it was investing substantial resources in OpenOffice.org. “With more than 100 million users, we believe OpenOffice.org is the most advanced, most feature-rich open-source implementation and will strongly encourage the OpenOffice community to continue to contribute through www.openoffice.org,” the enterprise software and hardware giant said in a statement. With no name or reference to where the statement can be see. It has already been cited by Kürti on this list: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00282.html A repeat of the news article. Aha. But what you mean? :-) Just what I said, the message only repeats the same statement. Again no name or reference to where the full statement can be found. Who made the statement? What is their position at Oracle? Anyone can make a statement but how much weight does that statement carry? If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has helped build it. Do they actually think that they did all the work to get that 100 million users? Yet there are some that hold to the idea. Andy -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Hi Friedrich, hi Andy! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 23:55 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Indeed :-) But then we have to ask Graham, whether he is so kind to tell us where to find Martin's mail. I think Andy expects - like I do - that Oracle one of the big companies worldwide is able to give an official statement. This isn´t true yet. The info mentioned aparently was passed to computerworld: http://blogs.computerworld.com/17097/the_openoffice_fork_is_officially_here Seems, they have to stay hidden for some reason. ;o)) Personally, the statement we are currently referring to, is the only one I am aware of. Moreover, I am also unaware of any official (like some of us expect) statement for any of the other projects there are working on. So at least I cannot tell you more, although I'd like to :-) Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF and KOffice
Hi André, thanks for answering this question... Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi, Is there any collaboration between KDE's KOffice and TDF? there is no formal agreement, you know - we are very new in the game :) But people work together at several levels. E.g KOffice and people from TDF both work on ODF standard conformance. Christoph Noack had several talks with KOffice people regarding UX related work (although they have much better technical options that we have, they face similar problems when it comes to workflows ...). If anybody is interested in some details, here is the link to my CeBit 2010 Experience :-) http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2010/03/cebit2010-ribbonator.html In general, I hope that we can improve the collaboration with the other projects like KOffice, OpenUsability.org, ... at least, they share a very similar vision. Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement (was:New name)
Hi Andy, *, Andy Brown schrieb: On Tue Oct 05 2010 14:10:26 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: [..] The article only states Oracle said it was investing substantial resources in OpenOffice.org. “With more than 100 million users, we believe OpenOffice.org is the most advanced, most feature-rich open-source implementation and will strongly encourage the OpenOffice community to continue to contribute through www.openoffice.org,” the enterprise software and hardware giant said in a statement. With no name or reference to where the statement can be see. It has already been cited by Kürti on this list: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00282.html A repeat of the news article. Aha. But what you mean? :-) Just what I said, the message only repeats the same statement. Again no name or reference to where the full statement can be found. Who made the statement? What is their position at Oracle? Anyone can make a statement but how much weight does that statement carry? If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has helped build it. Do they actually think that they did all the work to get that 100 million users? Yet there are some that hold to the idea. No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go ahead. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Ansprechpartner / contact person for the PrOOo-Box german language OpenOffice.org and more on CD/DVD http://prooo-box.org -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 14:47 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: Just what I said, the message only repeats the same statement. Again no name or reference to where the full statement can be found. Who made the statement? What is their position at Oracle? Anyone can make a statement but how much weight does that statement carry? When I had first read the news report, I thought -- or hoped -- that it referred to a published or official statement somewhere. Now that I have read the news report again, I realise that the statement was most likely made in a phone call or email to the reporter, and someone else on this thread referred to an email. Anonymous comments of this type are quite common in journalism; many government and company officials will not speak to journalists if they are going to be quoted by name... especially if they have not gone through the approval process at their company or department. --Jean -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Quoting Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org: Good evening Graham! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 19:24 +1300 schrieb Graham Lauder: Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I shall now go hide in a hole somewheres. Oh, please do not :-) I owe you a lot of respect to state this here, really. Vice versa, please (everyone) please accept our apologies if things sometimes don't work like expected. Especially if it takes us so long to resolve such a (rather) small mis-understanding. So please let's continue to work together ... at the end, it is about the value of the idea :-) Bye, Christoph Ack the hole, was boring and slightly damp in any case, let's do this thing, the world is waiting. :) Cheers GL -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- Graham Lauder The Best Things come in 3 http://why.openoffice.org OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) New Zealand http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer http://www.theingots.org.nz -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Benjamin, great collection :-) Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 07:38 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: I agree that overthinking and overburdening a wiki with rigid process is harmful, but some upfront organization and planning is still necessary. Yes, rigid processes are harmful for a wiki - even if they want to achieve something good. But as you already point out, I'd like to guide some people initially, to not get lost. If one doesn't find information, then it is like nobody ever published it :-\ Some major sections that could be defined in the wiki: - Site Home (why not use the wiki for the main part of the site, including the homepage and download page?) - Documentation (bring this dynamic and enthusiastic group back home to the main site) - Development (public planning and release schedule) - Community Council (private section, if desired) - News Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather website? Or both? - Events - Marketing and Advocacy - Design and Artwork - Teams and Projects By the way, I really like the idea of Special Interest Groups at Fedora. - More? Most presumably yes :-) So thanks for the great start! Adding to Christoph's list of other project wikis: * Mozilla https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page * Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ Interesting, Ubuntu seems to separate the official Documentation (Wiki) and the do the work wiki. * Foswiki http://foswiki.org/Home/WebHome Mmh, din't knew that. Thanks! Benjamin, thanks for the comments ... most appreciated! Christoph Cheers, just my 2 Cents: On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: ... Step forward, and share your thoughts, too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to document the statements. A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them evolve. People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do their work. The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And they should be defined by the users of the wiki. All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the search function). Nino -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement
Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has helped build it. Do they actually think that they did all the work to get that 100 million users? Yet there are some that hold to the idea. No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go ahead. Please remind that Oracle is used to play in the corporate marketplace, where the time has a different meaning. They want 15 days to approve a quote in a press release, against two days requested by Microsoft (is just an example). In addition, they are used to own everything they buy. Look at what has happened to PeopleSoft and Siebel, whose brands have disappeared from the market. If you spend a couple of hours reading online interviews to Larry Ellison, you will be enlightened on the subject. -- Italo Vignoli Mobile: +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Email: italo.vign...@gmail.com - Skype: italovignoli -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Benjamin, I'm sorry for answering your second mail first ... I totally missed this one. So to make it easy for me, thank you very much for this (your) introduction ... and also the hint Foswiki. I'm those guys who will set up the wiki technically, will have a look at it (just for the record: if I am the one who should set it up, we might never have one *g*). I'd be more than happy if you help us to get the wiki in a good shape. Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 19:52 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the capabilities they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns that tend to work well, and the various wiki platforms available. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
For what it is worth -- my2c LibreOffice Very well expresses the concept of what is being achieved, from the development and adminsitratoin point of view. From an end users perspective ... Well, in International or other English, and possibly some other Germanic/Nordic languages, it is a bit of a mouth full and actually quite difficult to say. Reason, for English any way, is that the re at the end of the first word is pronounced rah, but is then followed by pure vowel Oh and then a closed Vah sound (top dental on lower lip). English speakers (International or otherwise) may shy away form that as too much of a mouth-full (and actually be put off the product). LeeB Rah Ohh-fV iss Also the reoccurance of a B - V sound not always popular in English It doesn't inherently sound like anything that genral public people can immeadiately identify with from other life experiences-- and also may not for an end user actually imply any immeadiate useful concept. Rhymes with Zebra (pronounced ammerican style ) - people will rhyme or word assocaite if no inherent menaing springs forth in their monds ... and so ... by association ... AnimalOffice ZooOffice MonkeyOffice ? Or something else ... Hopefully not!!! For Developers ... With very few limitations on distribution or improvement; including source code en.wiktionary.org/wiki/libre Libre has a specific meaning for developers, but not necessarily the general English speaking public. Oxford does not deal with it in this context, http://oxforddictionaries.com/search?searchType=dictionaryisWritersAndEd itors=truesearchUri=Allq=libre_searchBtn=SearchcontentVersion =WORLD And neither does Google. http://www.google.com/dictionary?langpair=en%7Cenq=librehl=enaqf libre Related phrases Cuba libre A cocktail typically containing cola, lime juice, rum, and a garnish of l ime Related languages libre is also a word in: français, Portuguese, español It may however well gell very well for people from academic and Romance language backgrounds - Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian and so on.. In the same vein perhaps ... FreeOffice LibertyOffice (perhaps more for Americans :) ) Or FullOffice Or something simillar actually capturing the essence of the actual product? Paul On 6 October 2010 11:05, Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi Friedrich, hi Andy! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 23:55 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Indeed :-) But then we have to ask Graham, whether he is so kind to tell us where to find Martin's mail. I think Andy expects - like I do - that Oracle one of the big companies worldwide is able to give an official statement. This isn´t true yet. The info mentioned aparently was passed to computerworld: http://blogs.computerworld.com/17097/the_openoffice_fork_is_officially_h ere Seems, they have to stay hidden for some reason. ;o)) Personally, the statement we are currently referring to, is the only one I am aware of. Moreover, I am also unaware of any official (like some of us expect) statement for any of the other projects there are working on. So at least I cannot tell you more, although I'd like to :-) Cheers, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfound ation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/di scuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] eWeek coverage of LibreOffice
Andrea Pescetti wrote: I wonder whether this paragraph from the above article is true: --- LibreOffice will have a dual license, falling under LGPLv3+ and MPL (GNU Lesser General Public License and Mozilla Public License). --- or if it just one of the many unsourced, unchecked statements about LibreOffice appearing here and there these days. I am not aware of the MPL. -- Italo Vignoli Mobile: +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Email: italo.vign...@gmail.com - Skype: italovignoli -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Nino! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 10:08 +0200 schrieb Nino Novak: [...] On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: ... Step forward, and share your thoughts, too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to document the statements. A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. It's less about constraints, but to provide some basis to work on it. Once we get the wiki, it will be (or maybe become) our primary platform to share information. So my aim is to reduce the initial hurdles ... [...] True :-) But basically, the wiki engine should fit our needs - the technical and the non-technical ones. Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And they should be defined by the users of the wiki. Absolutely, that is the reason for my questions :-) Most of you are already actively using wikis, so why not learn from your experience right from the start? And concerning users of the wiki, Liz (being part of the OOo UX Team), did a survey last year to check whether people are happy with the OOoWiki: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/a_peek_at_the_wiki Currently, I lack some more details, but hey, why are we here? All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the search function). It seems that we get quite a pile of related to language requirements. Thanks, and good night! Christoph -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Hi Christoph, I am happy to be involved, especially in an area where I've had a lot of experience, like with wikis. I am interested in helping this process from initial strategy, to implementation and wiki farming (ongoing maintenance). My technical skills aren't quite strong enough to help you install, configure and update, though, so I'll focus on the information architecture and human-wiki interaction aspects. -Ben On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Benjamin, I'm sorry for answering your second mail first ... I totally missed this one. So to make it easy for me, thank you very much for this (your) introduction ... and also the hint Foswiki. I'm those guys who will set up the wiki technically, will have a look at it (just for the record: if I am the one who should set it up, we might never have one *g*). I'd be more than happy if you help us to get the wiki in a good shape. Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 19:52 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: Thanks, Christoph. I've long been interested in wikis and the capabilities they can provide, the data structures and usage patterns that tend to work well, and the various wiki platforms available. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
Clearly, multilingual support will be very important to a successful wiki. Will we have pages generated in one language and then translated to others, or do we expect unique pages to be developed in lots of languages? My guess is that we need to support both--core content will be translated and mirrored in many languages, while certain content (especially local projects, for example) will generate new unique content in their languages. I've investigated briefly and found this possible approach to the problem: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/TopicTranslationsPlugin I also strongly support Regina's earlier points, especially regarding the licensing of content community members add. That may be something to add to the footer of each page in the wiki. One additional note below... -Ben On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Benjamin, great collection :-) Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 07:38 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst: I agree that overthinking and overburdening a wiki with rigid process is harmful, but some upfront organization and planning is still necessary. Yes, rigid processes are harmful for a wiki - even if they want to achieve something good. But as you already point out, I'd like to guide some people initially, to not get lost. If one doesn't find information, then it is like nobody ever published it :-\ Some major sections that could be defined in the wiki: - Site Home (why not use the wiki for the main part of the site, including the homepage and download page?) - Documentation (bring this dynamic and enthusiastic group back home to the main site) - Development (public planning and release schedule) - Community Council (private section, if desired) - News Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather website? Or both? I'd like us to consider using the wiki for the website, or at least for a large part of it. (My comment above, why not use the wiki for the main part of the site... was meant to convey that idea.) Regardless of whether we decide on using the wiki for the main site, I think a strong case can be made to use it to manage our News page. (I would not recommend duplicating content, News or other, on both the wiki and separately elsewhere on the site. We should ultimately choose just one location, wherever it is.) - Events - Marketing and Advocacy - Design and Artwork - Teams and Projects By the way, I really like the idea of Special Interest Groups at Fedora. - More? Most presumably yes :-) So thanks for the great start! Adding to Christoph's list of other project wikis: * Mozilla https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page * Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ Interesting, Ubuntu seems to separate the official Documentation (Wiki) and the do the work wiki. * Foswiki http://foswiki.org/Home/WebHome Mmh, din't knew that. Thanks! Benjamin, thanks for the comments ... most appreciated! Christoph Cheers, just my 2 Cents: On Monday 04 October 2010 23:54, Christoph Noack wrote: ... Step forward, and share your thoughts, too, please! But how to get started ... I mean ... without a wiki to document the statements. A wiki is a wiki is a wiki - so just set one up and let it self-organize. Do not define too much contstraints in advance. Do not define too special rules in beforehead but rather let them evolve. People in free projects tend to be very constructive, so let them do their work. The final decision which wiki engine to take should be made by the prospective core admins (as they will have to handle it). A bad engine with a good admin is far better than a good engine with a poor admin. Rules should be made only _after_ a certain period of experience. And they should be defined by the users of the wiki. All that said, I'd prefere to have a wiki farm for different languages and not one multilanguage wiki - just to enhance usability (mainly the search function). Nino -- Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
HI, I've gone ahead and updated the Nabble pages to, hopefully, better reflect the structure and to spiff them up a bit. The top level page at: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/ Updated the description with text from the main web site. Added a SUB-Forum page for LibreOffice The Announce page: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Announce-f1621702.html Changed the appearance so that this looks like an News feed display. The LibreOffice SUB-Forum: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/LibreOffice-f1639495.html Added sub page for the Users list. Moved the L10n page from the top level (DocumentFoundation) to here. Thanks Drew -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
sorry missed the direct URL Added sub page for the Users list. http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Users-f1639498.html -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
Not sure where thinking is on this for LiBO at the moment, but is it concievable that updating even to each new version could, after a User response, be automatic and if elected by the User - replace the previous version automatically please? Paul -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Nabble once again
Last update for tonight I think. At the LibreOffice page: http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/LibreOffice-f1639495.html added the Dev ML http://documentfoundation.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639786.html -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
У сре, 06. 10 2010. у 13:22 +1300, Paul A Norman пише: Not sure where thinking is on this for LiBO at the moment, but is it concievable that updating even to each new version could, after a User response, be automatic and if elected by the User - replace the previous version automatically please? Paul Hi Paul, A first step would be to replicate the update notification feature available in the OpenOffice.org. I guess only infrastructure is missing for that one. I remember last year in Orvieto there were some talks about new packaging for all platforms that would allow online installation (allowing user to select, download and install any combination of languages, cutting space requirements to do full install sets). I do not know what is the current status of this development and if it would be easier to add autoupdate feature after that task is completed. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Government of TDF
+1 Thanks for your help and guidance Thank You Best Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Luis E Vásquez r starsuite...@gmail.com wrote: Medellin, octubre 5/2010 2010/10/5 Roman Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar Hi people. One of several topics to do in TDF, is the government way. IMHO, democracy is better than others ways election. But how to make a choice is difficult. Who can choice your representatives? Who can be a representative? For how long time be a representative? I propose that here decide the first step for this question, and choice the first group of representatives that direct TDF. In this election, could choose the dependents of each key area in TDF (like: l10n, QA, DEV, etc.) What do you think? -- ~~~ Prof. Román H. Gelbort http://www.piensalibre.com.ar 10 años usando OpenOffice.org, libre, gratuito y seguro ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@docume ntfoundation.org discuss%2bunsubscr...@document foundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ +1 Cordialmente, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *10 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto* -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@document foundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
What I have found is that under OOO I have always been left with install directories with Mbs of space used for previous installations, the uninstall or new install doesn't seem to have removed them. I have been thinking tha it would be neat to have as it were, one install of LiBO and have it updated in all the same directories all the time, even if it were a new version of LiBO that was being installed - updated, unless the User specifically elected to have multiple installations of different versions, making the default that there is only ever one main copy that is updated all the time. Paul On 6 October 2010 13:35, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: У сре, 06. 10 2010. у 13:22 +1300, Paul A Norman пише: Not sure where thinking is on this for LiBO at the moment, but is it concievable that updating even to each new version could, after a User response, be automatic and if elected by the User - replace the previous version automatically please? Paul Hi Paul, A first step would be to replicate the update notification feature available in the OpenOffice.org. I guess only infrastructure is missing for that one. I remember last year in Orvieto there were some talks about new packaging for all platforms that would allow online installation (allowing user to select, download and install any combination of languages, cutting space requirements to do full install sets). I do not know what is the current status of this development and if it would be easier to add autoupdate feature after that task is completed. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfound ation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/di scuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
On 05/10/10 07:36 PM, Paul A Norman wrote: What I have found is that under OOO I have always been left with install directories with Mbs of space used for previous installations, the uninstall or new install doesn't seem to have removed them. I have been thinking tha it would be neat to have as it were, one install of LiBO and have it updated in all the same directories all the time, even if it were a new version of LiBO that was being installed - updated, unless the User specifically elected to have multiple installations of different versions, making the default that there is only ever one main copy that is updated all the time. Paul On 6 October 2010 13:35, Goran Rakicgra...@devbase.net wrote: У сре, 06. 10 2010. у 13:22 +1300, Paul A Norman пише: Not sure where thinking is on this for LiBO at the moment, but is it concievable that updating even to each new version could, after a User response, be automatic and if elected by the User - replace the previous version automatically please? Paul Hi Paul, A first step would be to replicate the update notification feature available in the OpenOffice.org. I guess only infrastructure is missing for that one. I remember last year in Orvieto there were some talks about new packaging for all platforms that would allow online installation (allowing user to select, download and install any combination of languages, cutting space requirements to do full install sets). I do not know what is the current status of this development and if it would be easier to add autoupdate feature after that task is completed. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ Paul, I do agree with the principles of your suggestion. Certainly on Windows installs this is true as evidenced by the Install Folder left on the desktop. And leaving the install folders around, not cleaning up after the install, or an uninstall not removing everything that was installed seems rather unprofessional. So, yes, I concur. However, I believe that may be only for Windows... *nix(Linux|Unix) installs can use a variety of install/package management programs (e.g. apt, yum, rpm, et al.) that resolve this issue. And these package management programs can also purge configuration files when removing a package. Package management also handle the kind of automatic update functionality you mention. But this is for *nix only... Any installation method that is deployed, in my mind, must 'respect' the package management of the base operating system. I get rather annoyed with multiple types of update/install mechanisms (setup.py for certain python based apps for example) that seem to circumvent OS package management programs. But there is no 'one size fits all' solution. There are numerous install frameworks (e.g. NSIS - NullSoft Install Script[Win only], or IzPack[Java - used by scala]). Again, they seem to circumvent package management on *nix machines while catering to Windows based installs. Problem is that Windows doesn't have a package management system. There is no one simple way to install, update or uninstall. Yes, there is msiexec, but that just provides a means to an end and doesn't handle update mechanisms nor framework/standardize installs. As for update mechanisms, we're left with 3rd party programs. Other than making sure that LibO cleans up after itself, how much effort do we want to put into installers? Regards, Scott Furry -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Godot's official statement
Hi, Am 06.10.2010 01:26, schrieb Andy Brown: On Tue Oct 05 2010 15:16:39 GMT-0700 (PDT) Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Andy Brown schrieb: If you take it a face value then there is no way that Oracle is going to hand over the trademark or anything else to the community that has helped build it. Do they actually think that they did all the work to get that 100 million users? Yet there are some that hold to the idea. No, they think they *bought* all the work. They have good reasons to remain silent. We should accept that, stop thinking about it and go ahead. I am sure that they have very good reasons, thus my questioning the statements that have be credited to Oracle. As I see it if the community does not move on it will fail. This in fighting over a name is not helping matters any. The discussion that is going on in some of the OOo list is not helping. *+1* Erich -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
