[tdf-discuss] Blog post on the fork

2010-10-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Just to add more noise to what already has been said, I felt compelled to add my thoughts on whether this is a fork and other stuff: http://sspaeth.de/Private/LibreOffice_forks_away Some might find that useful or interesting. Sebastian -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instru

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:25:52 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with > a decent mail list manager... The nabble forums are rather easy to integrate in a website and provide seamless integration with a mailinglist. TDF mail archives

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:37:02 +0200, "Gianluca Turconi" wrote: > I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception > by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community. Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They have about 30,000 active

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-20 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:07:47 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: > > If you would like to monitor what is happening here in the future you > > may want a web interface to the mailing lists - I will be leaving this > > page up > > > > http://oucv.org/tdf.html > Drew, your page is a very neat tie-in to th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-20 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:04:05 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > you need to write to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org On that matter, can't we filter out mails with subject "unsubscribe" and redirect them to discuss+unsubscribe dynamically? Even I failed to unsubscribe from this list ye

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google, > whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council; > > While it seem you and others see: The Document Foundation + Google + > Whoever-you-want that collaborat

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:36:10 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > I think the measurement is : > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > derived works. > 2. what if you just remove the code That doesn't work for contributions other than code, e.g.: - artists - Usability

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:17:47 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > If there is so much time wasted dealing with non-subscribers, then we > need to re-evaluate our lists and take a close look at what we are doing > wrong. Our LibO suite is so popular that so many new users call on us > for help. Then we sho

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:40:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by > a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. While I agree that organizing good user support is important, I feel that most of the dis

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-25 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote: > There are discussions on this list about UI redesign. Even if this is > a good goal on the mid/long term, there are lots of things that can be > done *immediately* to build a better user experience: change default > toolbars and buttons. Yes ple

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-25 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:26:03 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 10:16 +0200, Cedric Bosdonnat wrote: > > but we need some special care for the research > > world that has been completely left out by OOo these past years. > Interesting, so would that mean more emphasis on Calc (chart

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-27 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:52:20 +0200, leif wrote: > Many large installations are very irritated about the registration > screen. The DisableFirstStartWisard solves some of the problem *but* its > version dependant. IMHO we should remove the *registration* completely. We are not after marketing addr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-27 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:10:24 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > In my view, the registrations process for LibO is quite an important tool. Too late, I asked and it is already gone :). I realize the power of statistics, but it is annoying and very uncommon at least for Linux applications to see a registr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Non-removable extensions

2010-11-01 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:44:31 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: > Who had the "bright" idea to require the non-removable extensions in > LibreOffice? This, IMO, is totally uncalled for. This is a great way > to lose users. While I agree that there should be no non-removable extensions by default, the to

[steering-discuss] Version numbering of LibO

2010-11-01 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Dear all, all discussions seem to hint at that the first stable release of LibreOffice is going to be a 3.3.0 release. I would like to have you consider a different version for the following reasons: - LO 3.3.0 suggests it is equivalent to OOo 3.3.0 (which it is not, we have different bugs :-)).

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Non-removable extensions

2010-11-02 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:34:11 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > The more interesting thing to me is - why would you want to remove the > PDF Import ? or the Presenter Console ? Because I don't like that additional complexity in the UI? (Just an example) There are valid reasons why I would want to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency

2010-11-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 01:08:46 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > And I fully agree - just dropping java just for the sake of it is a > very, very bad idea. Right, but being able to build with --disable-java (which doesn't work at the moment) should be a worthwhile goal in itself. And if we can rep

[tdf-discuss] Pretty up your name in the wiki stats

2010-11-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
http://libreoffice.org/credits.html contains contributions to the TDF wiki. However it is only able to retrieve the wiki usernames. If you want to see you own full name there, you can enter it on this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers All that is being used now is th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Pretty up your name in the wiki stats

2010-11-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:40:00 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: > JamesWalker --> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:JamesWalker That is a good idea and I implemented the links to personal pages. However, I still think real names are nice and I kept the table for transformations. I am working with

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: > things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the > stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on > one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size selector would save lots of spac

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:14:50 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: > However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use > it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was > entirely unusable. Frames with captions by any chance? In that case you will like beta3. Sebastian

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this > extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current > implementation. 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but when

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:11:02 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install > the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros -> > LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. DOH, I should have found that out myself. That is phantastic. +1

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:32:54 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: "Be advised that the > current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation." Not anymore, thanks for the heads up. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@do

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-05 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:28:35 +, Brenden Seibel wrote: > Here I agree with Robert. The average user I've worked with will be much > quicker to use the font chooser and size selector than any style selector. I would argue that this is more a bug with our way to define and select styles then, t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-05 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:39:51 -0500, Robert Derman wrote: > contents of the text. Since the text is in Latin, a language that few > of them will understand, they will ignore it. If I remember correctly it is not even proper latin and is gibberish in latin too. It just resembes latin. But then I h

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: priorising feature-requests was: LO mobile phone version

2010-11-05 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:10:42 +, e-letter wrote: > So what happens next? Should the suggestion for LO mobile version > remain in the mailing list archive until the proposals structure is > created? Is any member of the decision-making entity able to say now > whether this proposal is to rejected

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws incoming!

2010-11-05 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:55:35 +0100, "Charles-H. Schulz" wrote: > Here's the result of our discussions with respect to the Community > bylaws so far. Can we add some blurb in the long run on what the benefits/rights of members are? :-). Such as voting for a board of directors etc. Sebastian --

Re: [tdf-discuss] Feature request for 3.3 still possible?

2010-11-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:14:32 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > I'm not sure if the feature freeze for 3.3 has already been declared, > but is there any chance of getting this feature added for 3.3? I am pretty sure that there won't be any changes like that going into the 3.3 branch anymore, as even the

Re: [tdf-discuss] When will the next beta version of Libreoffice release?

2010-11-11 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:33:13 +0800, Jih-Yao Lin wrote: > Dear all, > when will the next beta version of Libreoffice release to resolve the > integration between zotero plug-in. a) I use the zotero plugin with currentl LibO. b) there is no bug filed about any incompatabilities with the zotero plu

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-14 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
If I may? I envision a *simple* web app which allows me to a) upload an .odt, .doc, or .docx document and b) chose whether it causes 1) crashes or 2) document conversion problems c) allow to add a comment (it crashes for this document, but only when using font X) d) optionally add an email addres

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-15 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:43:49 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > I envision a *simple* web app which allows me to > > > > a) upload an .odt, .doc, or .docx document and > > b) chose whether it causes 1) crashes or 2) document conversion pro

Re: [tdf-discuss] New Icon theme set

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:42:25 +0100, Florian Reisinger wrote: > > I am very sorry, if I disturb you, but is there a download link for the new > Theme and may I help to make it a little bit better? ( if possible) No need to be sorry: The artwork is here (browsable): http://cgit.freedesktop.org/

Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice 3.3 Beta 3

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:39:11 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > LibO Beta 3 crash every time I try to dock the stylist or the > navigator (bug reported) so... no, it is not stable enough yet. > After all, it is beta... Can you point to the bug that you reported please?for this? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice 3.3 Beta 3

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:39:11 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > LibO Beta 3 crash every time I try to dock the stylist or the > navigator (bug reported) so... no, it is not stable enough yet. > After all, it is beta... Can you point to the bug that you reported please? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instruction

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-23 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:24:00 +1100, Sean White wrote: > One of the things i LOVE about open source software is the ability for me to > ask someone else to code something or port something that i cant do myself. > So my solution to your problem of incompatible extensions is to set up a > new maili

Re: [tdf-discuss] functionality issues discussions

2010-11-23 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:16:53 +0200, Marwan Gedeon wrote: > I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the > answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose: > what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve > issues with current

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:02:11 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > Does such a system also prevent false representation, i.e. someone > passing themselves off as another member ? With a userid and password > combo, this is much harder to do, it seems (notwithstanding one's > computer being hacked and

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:26:07 +0100, Peter Lairo wrote: > No application should be so arrogant as to start-up with the OS > per default. Then you will be delighted to hear that it has been effectively turned off in Linux by default, if I overheard it correctly. > It seems OO (and LO even more so

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:39:12 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: > Please avoid these statements, as the OOo project has never been driven > by marketing people (and I have been inside that project for over seven > years). After 30 years in marketing of high-technology products, I can > officially say

Re: [tdf-discuss] Changing toolbar Icons

2010-12-01 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:30:45 -0600, Frank Esposito wrote: > Does anyone know if the toolbar Icons will be changed in future releases? If you submit icons for that, yes. This is a meritocracy now :). Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: h

Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link

2010-12-06 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:52:25 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: > Try the other download page > http://www.test.libreoffice.org/download/ BTW, any chance to sqitch to to that very soon? It shouldn't hard to replicate the static content that we have there right now and it would modifying/improving the con

Re: [tdf-discuss] No Documentation???

2010-12-06 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:10:32 -, "Harold Fuchs" wrote: > there is no link to any documentation > there is no link to any support - forums, FAQs, mail lists, Wikis etc. etc. > there is no statement of system requirements, nor a link to such a statement > there are no installation instructions, nor

Re: [tdf-discuss] Three things to not forget to make LibreOffice (and ODF) succeed

2010-12-07 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:44:22 -0800, "Bradley D. Thornton" wrote: > On 11/29/2010 07:11 AM, Phil Hibbs wrote: > > Google Docs (and possibly other ODF implementations such as KOffice) > > compatability is also an issue. Are there ongoing efforts to get > > Google Docs to be more compatible with OOo/L

Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now* (was:deb installer - have to manually modify link)

2010-12-07 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:18:52 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > I'd assume they wait for publishing. I can't see any reason, why to keep > the building process of the page behind the sceenes. Everything > regarding tdf is beta[1] - why not the website?? +1 I bet the content of the static site wou

Re: [tdf-discuss] Revamping of OO APIs

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:52:16 +0530, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I found out in LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/414051/) that the LO team > was working on "The crufty old virtual object system - deprecated for > ten years - is being removed." > > From what I understand, that me

Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-13 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:35:36 +0100, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > Now, will there be an official statement from the LibreOffice leaders > about a name change? Should there be? As far as I know did no developer suggest or actively discuss any name change. If it should be considered, I'd propose this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-15 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:04:55 +0100, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: > Am Montag, den 13.12.2010, 17:23 -0600 schrieb Sebastian Spaeth: > > Should there be? As far as I know did no developer suggest or actively > > discuss any name change. If it should be considered, I'd propose this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Contributors' names in LibO 3.3: how to ask for a correction?

2011-01-27 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:53:35 +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > In fact these are extracted from the git logs... You need to make sure > > you commit new code with a correct full name and email address. > > Right; but of course, perhaps we can fix this for the past by adding > some exceptions: