Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

2013-02-13 Thread e-letter
On 07/02/2013, Simon Phipps wrote: > I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents > unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk > anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) > > If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, whi

[tdf-discuss] an example of ignorance

2012-02-20 Thread e-letter
Readers, An amusing, surprising mention of LO in the general press: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/9089881/How-can-I-fix-OpenOffice.html. Don't forget to add comments at the bottom of the web page! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems?

Re: [tdf-discuss] MS Outlook?

2012-02-17 Thread e-letter
On 15/02/2012, Robert Derman wrote: >> > You have to excuse me for saying this, I have used OpenOffice since it > was first released to the public (I loved OO Writer, and I like LO > Writer even more) and I am a big fan of open source software, BUT there > is an attitude in the general open source

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A marketing lesson!

2011-12-21 Thread e-letter
On 21/12/2011, Pedro wrote: > > But how can you help it? If the next time they choose to offer a free copy > of LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice, is there anything TDF can do about it? > Perhaps this should be considered an unfortunate cost of allowing freedom. Assuming this organisation does no

Re: [tdf-discuss] Status of .docX etc.

2011-12-14 Thread e-letter
On 13/12/2011, Harold Fuchs wrote: > Would someone please either explain or point me at a detailed explanation of > the current status of LO vis à vis the "new" MS office document formats > docx, xlsx etc. > Here we go again: please explain why you can't afford to buy m$??? Have you written to

Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

2011-10-04 Thread e-letter
Having become a fan of the flat xml format, this option in LO seems most interesting and viable. An often ignored feature of OO was the ability to create xforms (still evident in LO? No idea). The initial question to understand is when flat xml LO documents are most appropriate instead of the curr

[tdf-discuss] feature request help, styles management

2011-09-20 Thread e-letter
Readers, This question concerns how to improve management of styles between writer and impress modules. Please read the following previous thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg10780.html Would appreciate some guidance to make progress, in terms of how to make a suit

Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.

2011-09-04 Thread e-letter
On 04/09/2011, Mike Hall wrote: ... > Unfortunately they aren't irrelevant. If only life were that simple. > Whether or not you have a copy of MSO, to communicate with other people > and companies it is frequently necessary to write .doc or .docx files. Then you should buy m$o if receipt of m$ fo

Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.

2011-09-04 Thread e-letter
On 04/09/2011, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi e-letter, > > e-letter wrote (04-09-11 10:31) > >> These typical m$ queries are irrelevant to LO. If you want to create >> m$ documents, get money out of your pocket and pay for m$o. If the >> expected and desired behaviour occ

Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.

2011-09-04 Thread e-letter
On 02/09/2011, M Robinson wrote: > LibreOffice 3.4.0 > OOO340m1 (Build:12) > > I've tried this repeatedly, when I generate lines of text, number them > (F12), delete every other line number, save in Microsoft Word 2007 XML > (*.docx) format the results are always the same when viewed in MS W

[tdf-discuss] feature expansion or bug minimisation?

2011-08-11 Thread e-letter
Readers, A recent feature request prompted the strategic question: what is more important, minimising bugs or adding new features? Of course, the ideal answer is to do both (;)), but remember, the question is to choose only one answer... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@docum

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Calc] Feature Request - charts : error bars + broken axes

2011-08-11 Thread e-letter
On 10/08/2011, v...@ukr.net wrote: > Hello! > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:30:47 +0100 > e-letter wrote: > >> You can achieve these tasks using gnuplot >> > There are actually many ways to achieve this. For example, I use > QtiPlot for this purpose and somet

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Calc] Feature Request - charts : error bars + broken axes

2011-08-10 Thread e-letter
You can achieve these tasks using gnuplot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listar

Re: [tdf-discuss] More statistics

2011-08-06 Thread e-letter
On 05/08/2011, Italo Vignoli wrote: > Sorry for top posting, writing from the smartphone. We will be improving the > statistics, but do not expect anything before the conference in Paris (where > we will make a specific presentation). > Off-topic but I think you could try k9 mail client? -- Uns

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-30 Thread e-letter
This topic has revealed the following personal observations. People seem to want LO to be an exact clone of m$ where they can perform the same m$ tasks, produce the same m$ output, without paying m$. They happen to have a convenient choice in another product (LO) that perhaps is more attractive/in

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-30 Thread e-letter
On 27/07/2011, Fernand Vanrie wrote: > Andrew , Others > > I agree with the point of view of Andrew. > Please make LO OPEN as maximum as possible different formats. I say > open not SAVE as... > We are a Editing House where our 30 fulltime journalists using OO > (forced by us), the more than

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-30 Thread e-letter
On 23/07/2011, Mark Preston wrote: > Look, lets be honest about this - Microsoft has by far the largest > proportion of legacy documents out there and there is no way that > people can manage without access to those documents. Apart from > anything else, the law will require them to be kept and av

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-24 Thread e-letter
On 23/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > On 07/22/2011 10:24 AM, e-letter wrote: >> On 21/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: >>> On 07/21/2011 08:47 AM, e-letter wrote: >>>> On 21/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote >>>>> I am more co

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-24 Thread e-letter
On 22/07/2011, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On 22/07/2011 15:24, e-letter wrote: >> >> Fine. People are/should be free to choose whichever program they >> prefer. If someone likes the interface of m$o, good for them. The >> point of the original post, is tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-24 Thread e-letter
On 22/07/2011, Christophe Strobbe wrote: > > At 02:33 21-7-2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: >>On 07/20/2011 05:02 PM, e-letter wrote: >> > On the users mailing list, a significant proportion of a random view >> > of questions seems to be with relation

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-22 Thread e-letter
On 21/07/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Yes, don't confuse ODF compatibility with OpenOffice.org (or LibreOffice) > compatibility. I was in the room on one occasion when Microsoft was asking > for advice on their approach to ODF 1.1 Spreadsheet documents. > > Unfortunately, none of us blinked

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-22 Thread e-letter
On 21/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > On 07/21/2011 08:47 AM, e-letter wrote: >> On 21/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote >>> I am more comfortable in OOo than I am in MSO, so, I have created many >>> MSO deliverables in OOo and LO. The only time that

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-21 Thread e-letter
On 21/07/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > > I might also conclude that there is NO reason to support any other file > format either. I mean, really, why should I support a non-ODF format? > PDF generation? Remove it! Any other office file format? Remove it! Why > single out file formats asso

[tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-20 Thread e-letter
On the users mailing list, a significant proportion of a random view of questions seems to be with relation to using LO is some way with m$ document formats. What should be the priority of LO development: bug-free and excellent behaviour in native odt format, or minimising "interoperability issues

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-05 Thread e-letter
As far as the request for the ability to download individual components of LO, this should not be enabled. The whole concept of the predecessor staroffice product was to provide various functionalities in terms of word-processing, spreadsheets, drawing, etc. and this should be continued. Those see

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread e-letter
DF programmers should join the Apache OO committee merely to be aware of activities in this product. LO should remain separate as a full GPL product. Presumably, if DF members become aware of feature X becoming imminent in apache OO, they can make a proposal for a similar feature to be copied/impro

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread e-letter
>To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >From: "Harold Fuchs" >Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software > Foundation'sIncubator >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:30:55 +0100 >Lines: 44 >Message-ID: >References: ><4de877cb.4010...@nouenoff.nl> > <1307086982610-301

Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)

2011-05-28 Thread e-letter
A hyperlink to gnuplot was provided (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.gnuplot.user/5655) but as originally stated, how this would help is not understood. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundatio

Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)

2011-05-27 Thread e-letter
; > Topics (messages 6272 through 6280): > > [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ > 6272 - NoOp > > [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ > 6273 - Volker Merschmann > > [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? > (was: Paid Develope

Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)

2011-05-27 Thread e-letter
This message sent previously failed to be accepted my the mail server; being resent in two parts. Part one of two On 26/05/2011, e-letter wrote: >>e-letter schrieb: >> >>>A link would not show the behaviour; >> >>Thanks for your estimation. My intention wa

Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)

2011-05-25 Thread e-letter
A link would not show the behaviour; would be better to subscribe to gnuplot mailing list digest mode. When the 'reply' function is activated in gmail web-mail interface, the mail message format is retained. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidel

[tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread e-letter
Keeping OO separate from LO is a good thing overall; more actors in the open source office software sector gives healthy competition (like Opera and Firefox for web browsers), innovation and shows m$ users the benefits of using a non-proprietary document format. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mai

[tdf-discuss] Re: Paid developers

2011-05-14 Thread e-letter
>On 13 May 2011 21:50, e-letter wrote: > >> >On 12 May 2011 17:55, Marc Par=E9 wrote: >> > >> >> Le 2011-05-11 17:01, Samuel M a =E9crit : >> >> >> >> I believe, that The Document Foundation can employ Developers for >> >>

[tdf-discuss] Re: Paid Developers

2011-05-14 Thread e-letter
>On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:36 PM, e-letter wrote: >> On 13/05/2011, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >> wrote: >>> Topics (messages 6130 through 6131): >>> >>> [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid Developers >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 6130 - Ian Lynch >>

[tdf-discuss] Re: Paid developers

2011-05-13 Thread e-letter
>On 12 May 2011 17:55, Marc Paré wrote: > >> Le 2011-05-11 17:01, Samuel M a écrit : >> >> I believe, that The Document Foundation can employ Developers for >>> LibreOffice. I believe the community is able to get the money for that on a >>> monthly base. >>> >>> We saw that the community was able

[tdf-discuss] mailing list content disappearance

2011-05-13 Thread e-letter
On 13/05/2011, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: > Topics (messages 6130 through 6131): > > [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid Developers > 6130 - Ian Lynch > 6131 - ??? > > > When can someone improve mailing list behaviour with web mail clients like gmail??? Even for this e-mail diges

[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question

2011-05-03 Thread e-letter
>Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question >From: "Pieter E. Zanstra" >Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:35:39 +0200 >To: >Om the basis of the discussions going on at this list, I do share your >analysis as expressed in: >http://daedaleus.isaachummel.com/2011/05/01/whither-openoffice/ >

[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread e-letter
>As I said, I'm sure Bill Gates said leave those toy phones to Nokia, RIM and >Apple. Google seem to have been smarter. As mobile and web technologies take >over I can see much harder times ahead for anyone dependent on local >dependencies. > Those reliant of distant web servers without no knowled

[tdf-discuss] Re: Question about proposing the creation of a new format

2011-04-26 Thread e-letter
>I think this is a very interesting issue. We are moving from the dominant >technologies that were designed to put information on paper to the dominant >need of presenting information on screens. With the revolution in digital >readers this is only going to increase and then what relevance has docu

Live online testing of LibreOffice ("WebLive") as: Re: [tdf-discuss] Request for Libre Office on Spoon

2011-04-21 Thread e-letter
Video in HTML5 would be even better... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be p

[tdf-discuss] feature request, calc cell content copy behaviour

2011-01-28 Thread e-letter
Readers, m$ excel allows content in cells a1, a3, a5 to be selected and copied to a7, a9, a11. This is not possible in calc. A feature request please. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** A

[tdf-discuss] Loss of formula in open document spreadsheet via excel

2011-01-11 Thread e-letter
Readers, Admittedly not using LO but the predecessor calc, recently realised that if a spreadsheet is created using calc and saved in native ods format, upon open using m$excel the formulas of a cell disappear to leave only the total value? Yet if calc is used to create the same spreadsheet and sa

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice version for Android platform

2011-01-11 Thread e-letter
Pleased to hear the development of such an application; the future is mobile :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

[tdf-discuss] Why LO mobile version should not be ignored

2010-11-16 Thread e-letter
Related to an earlier post (http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02677.html), the following news article hyperlink (http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2010/11/12/ghanaian-sms-start-up-tackles-fake-drug-scourge/) is an interesting application of mobile phone technology and pro

[tdf-discuss] Re: priorising feature-requests was: LO mobile phone version

2010-11-05 Thread e-letter
So what happens next? Should the suggestion for LO mobile version remain in the mailing list archive until the proposals structure is created? Is any member of the decision-making entity able to say now whether this proposal is to rejected or accepted? -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discus

[tdf-discuss] LO mobile phone version

2010-11-05 Thread e-letter
In consideration of the previous posts ('Re: x86_64 Windows build', http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02649.html), what is the mechanism that a project can be proposed to develop LO mobile edition, get funding from Android or similar as suggested? -- Unsubscribe instru

[tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-05 Thread e-letter
LO is never going to overcome m$ products on their own platform(s). The biggest market potential by far is mobile devices for ODF to become the default format. The majority of people in the world are being introduced to technology via mobile devices; banking, money transfer, product authentication

[tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-05 Thread e-letter
I suggest that you have a look at the mailiing list using a web-mail interface and you see how poor is the functionality. A good mailing list manager must be functional on both mail clients and web-mail. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines:

[tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discus

[tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
Not sure what you mean by attached; in web-mail the messages when received are inline (in the body of the message). The number before each message is irrelevant; as I stated, all messages do not appear in the 'reply' text box. For comparison in digest mode behaviour, see http://lists.techwr-l.com

[tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
On 04/11/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: > Topics (messages 2591 through 2620): > > [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. > 2591 - Michael Meeks > > [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency > 2592 - Kohei Yoshida > 2617 - JustFillBug > > [tdf-discuss] java / phone s

[tdf-discuss] mailing list digest mode functionality

2010-10-18 Thread e-letter
Below is an example of how the digest mode appears using the 'reply' e-mail function: On 18/10/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: > Topics (messages 1671 through 1700): > > [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot > 1671 - Per Eriksson > > [tdf-discuss] Please embed dictionaries in Da

[tdf-discuss] Re: New name

2010-10-05 Thread e-letter
I don't like LibO because I don't like medial capitals (!). For me LO to mean Liberty Office (Software). -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are ava

[tdf-discuss] Re: New name

2010-10-04 Thread e-letter
I like Staroffice (remember that? :)) A logo could be built around a star and a series of adjacent logos indicative of an office document type (writer, calc, impress). Not a serious idea; just a personal opinion. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.

Re: [tdf-discuss] why no digest mode for this mailing list?

2010-09-28 Thread e-letter
On 28/09/2010, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > Am 28.09.2010 um 14:25 schrieb e-letter: > >> I request to be able to subscribe to digest mode of this mailing list. > > we have digest mode disabled for the moment, and will investigate on > activating it later. In the pas

[tdf-discuss] why no digest mode for this mailing list?

2010-09-28 Thread e-letter
I request to be able to subscribe to digest mode of this mailing list. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.do

[tdf-discuss] comment, xforms

2010-09-28 Thread e-letter
Readers, Two comments: interesting news about the separation of openoffice to libreoffice. My initial comment is that the name is not attractive, in my opinion. Perhaps there should be an opportunity for suggestions to be made by users? What is the status with xforms support in libreoffice. your