Re: [tdf-discuss] Seeking for list moderators
Hi Flo, I am more than happy to help out with a few more mailing lists: tdf-discuss libreoffice-projects libreoffice-documentation libreoffice-design libreoffice-l10n libreoffice-user libreoffice-website I am already subscribed to those lists. And I am already a moderator for the accessibility and the moderators lists. I think I can handle a few more. ;) Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Staroffice format support
Hi Johann, On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 01:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Johann johann.kri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all Don't know if anyone can help me. I have just started on Libre as I am not too happy about the development status of OOO. The company that I work for has a lot of old Staroffice 5.2 documents as that was the main office suite that has been used since I started here. I am always up for development, testing and going forward and after a while, we have sort of booted Staroffice and are running mainly Openoffice. I am starting to test Libreoffice now and as with OOO3.3, Libre3.4 does not open these old Staroffice files. I do not want to stay stuck with an older office suite than needed, but I will have to be able to periodically (sometimes on a daily basis) access the Staroffice files. As I said, sort of booted Staroffice. Some of our clients and reps have opted to stay with Staroffice files (SDC, SDW, etc.) and one of our servers generate Staroffice type reports. With both of these instances, I can not intervene and change the Office suites. Must I degrade back to an earlier OOO or is there another solution? No, you don't. Just do a repair-install (I assume, that you're on Windows) and instead of doing the typical installation choose the user defined or custom installation. On one of the following screens, where you can choose what to install, mark install support for obsolete file formats, which will install among other things the import filters for the old StarOffice formats. I trust, this helps. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Gmane sending issues
Hello, On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:30:47 -0600 Ken Springer wordwo...@greeleynet.com wrote: On 8/1/11 6:03 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/08/01 3:42 PM Ken Springer wrote: [...] At least TB is now doing a reasonable job of formatting a text only message from the HTML replies. Thank you Ken. Your last email is a lot easier to read and follow. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Gmane sending issues
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:47:06 -0600 Ken Springer wordwo...@greeleynet.com wrote: On 8/1/11 10:18 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/08/01 9:44 AM Ken Springer wrote: Have you received an authorization email form gmane to your currentemail address? You have to reply to it before the post is forwarded tothis mailing list. Since you are using a different email address thanyou used to, I suspect you haven't. Check your spam folders. I honestly don't remember, but logically I did receive it and replied. The new email address is the wordworks one, and it's obviously working. The new address is working when using email to the list. You have to register that address at gmane as well. Since it doesn't work with gmane it is not working there. I've not made any changes at GMANE as of yet. And I've not found the website to be that easy to navigate and/or understand unless you are higher up on the technically non-challenged food chain. This seems to be a common problem I find with open source products as well as newsgroup use in general. PS: Your old address through gmanewassnows...@dishmail.net. Thank you Larry That's the address I was wanting to know! It's the one I thought I used originally. Later today, I'll send an unsubscribe email for that address. I just hope LO doesn't send an unsubscription confirmation email to the snowshed address as that address no longer exists I found that address from posts you made to gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user . I did not find any posts with that address to this list - news://news.gmane.com/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss I didn't sign up the wordworks address at GMANE as of yet. Going to wait until I know I've got the snowshed address deleted there. LO will send a confirmation email when you unsubscribe. Besides, that will not solve your problem. Do you know if the confirmation email will require a reply from me? Yes, you will need to reply to that confirmation email. An alternative is, to send a message to postmas...@documentfoundation.org and ask the people there to unsubscribe your non-existing address. HTH Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?
Hi, On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:54:14 -0400 Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/22/2011 7:23 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Even worse, given that MSO has the greatest market share it means that most legacy documents use the MSO formats. I knew many people that refused to switch from Word Perfect when I told them that OOo would NOT read their document archives that they spent years creating. As an aside, since when does OOo not open WordPerfect files? I used it to open one just this morning. as far as I remember, OOo doesn't open WordPerfect files. It was go-ooo that had the filter to open those files. And LibreOffice inherited this capability from go-ooo. I don't know, but it might have changed now for OOo too, so that it can WordPerfect files. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] test mail
Hi Dave, On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:17:02 +1000 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Original Message From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:55:17 +0200 Hi Christophe, On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:35:11 +0200 Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: Some of my mails never reach the list... maybe you use the wrong email address? I think I've seen emails from you for some lists, where I'm the moderator. I let your message then through, but it can take some time... Sigrid Is there any header information added to indicate when posts have been moderated? Not that I know. I agree that this is unfortunate. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?
Hi, On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:37:15 -0400 Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 14:04, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 14 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Greg Stein wrote: For a larger body of work, these kinds of (non-CLA) contributions become less clear. And without clear provenance, then Apache may not be able to take it.[1] can someone enlighten me please? What is ICLA or a non-CLA? I have no idea and would like to know, what you're talking about. Thanks, Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?
Hi Sam, On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:27:17 -0400 Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, [...] can someone enlighten me please? What is ICLA or a non-CLA? I have no idea and would like to know, what you're talking about. Here is the ASF's ICLA: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt Note: this is *not* a copyright assignment. People who contribute code, documentation, or other changes to the ASF retain full copyright of their work. All this ICLA does is establish clearly that the contributor grants to the ASF has all necessary rights (within their ability to do so) to distribute this Work. Thanks, that does help. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
PDF Import (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Question)
Hi Marius, On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:31:55 +0300 Marius Popa marius.mar...@gmail.com wrote: You have an extension called PDF Import. Can I use it or is it useful for something else? Yes, you can use it. And please, ask such questions about the usage of LibreOffice on the users list (us...@libreoffice.org). This list here is intended for discussions about The Document Foundation, not about LibreOffice. And I would also ask you to use a more descriptive subject. Question is very likely to be ignored. Thanks. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] problems with re-captcha on the application website
Hi, I've tried to fill in the form for the membership application and then submit it. But I don't see an image there. I only the an icon, that indicates that there should be an image. And clicking on the reload button only results in the message: Input error: Invalid referer I've tried reloading the page several times (even a forced reload, but still, I can't see any picture). Any ideas? Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni folkfr...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list?
Hi Kevin, 2011/2/2 Kevin Hunter kmhun...@ncsu.edu: Hullo List, I'm having a difficult tracking down the exact topic for this list. Specifically, is this a list for discussing LibreOffice (the product) or more Document Foundation topics? I'd say it's more about topics concerning the Document Foundation. If it's the latter, would someone kindly tell me the list address for the LibreOffice general discussion? The general discussion list for LibreOffice would be then disc...@libreoffice.org. HTH Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list?
Ups, sorry. 2011/2/2 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org: Hello Kevin, Sigrid, Le Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:49:04 +0100, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hi Kevin, 2011/2/2 Kevin Hunter kmhun...@ncsu.edu: [...] For the moment, we'll only keep one discuss list, the present one, for both TDF and LibreOffice. thanks for the clarification. I confused it with the germanspeaking discuss-list of LibreOffice. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems
Hi Alan, first, this kind of question is more suited for the users-list (us...@libreoffice.org). I'll try to answer your question nonetheless. 2011/1/27 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: On 27/01/11 18:11, alan c wrote: test - having list access problems odd. This message seemed to get through ok, but other messages do not. Just in case it does get through ok, I will also state here my real problem! It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia You can find installation instructions here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ But to make it short: open a terminal, change into the sub-directory that contains all the .deb-files and run the following command (as root or by using sudo) dpkg -i *.deb This will install then all the files in the correct order. You might have to install the desktop-integration package as well. Do the same for your language-pack. Hope, that this helps you. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store
Hi, 2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com: You would still need permission even though its a fork of the original code? yes, since the original contributors agreed to use a specific license. This cannot changed without consent from those people. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi, I feel bad to bring you bad news, but if I remember this correctly, the forum, that comes with Silverstripe won't be used. Right now it is just used for the people who want to work on the homepage to register so that they can be given the appropriate rights. Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast, I think, it was planned to link to those forums from our website. HTH Sigrid PS: If I have written complete nonsense, then I'm sure, that one of the founders / administrators will correct me. ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] first stable version
Hi Kevin, 2010/12/20 kevin zh kevin.zh1...@gmail.com: HI Every, the RC1 was released, can you tell me when will the first stable version come out, If I remember correctly, then RC2 was recently tagged in git, this means, that you can download this version within the next few days. The final release is planned for January. Hope this answers your question. ;) Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Community Management
Hi Johannes, 2010/12/14 Johannes A. Bodwing jo...@arcor.de: Hello Benjamin, ... ... Jono has written a book called The Art of Community, which describes his approach. It's available to purchase or download under a CC license from his site: http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/ I've downloaded the book and started reading. It is a pleasant read. [...] That's a good thing. And if he helps us - OK. On the other side: We need just our brain to find the right solutions. We have goals. That leads to: What is to do, to make this goals real, in a global dimension? We build a worldwide community. - That leads to: How can it realy work with good results? And basically: What is to do, to find an optimal structure for all of this? And so on. We need a kind of selforganizing structure that leads to what we want. Even in a phase when communication breaks. That's the problem of every group that is to great to reach the members by speaking in front of them. And that's a point, OOo did not understand. Therefore, we will not come very far if we copy OOo. I agree with what you said, Johannes, but why should we invent the wheel ourselves again? Let's check what's in the book that Ben mentioned, learn from the mistakes, that Jono made himself and avoid all the trouble. For all those who don't know Jono Bacaon, he is the Community Manager for Ubuntu. So I would think, that he has some experience in building a worldwide community. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version
Hi Thomas, 2010/12/8 Thomas Hofmann too...@gmail.com: Hello all, I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too? yes, you guessed correct. ;) There are a few germanspeaking lists too. Try disc...@de.libreoffice.org or us...@libreoffice.org Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this difficult to setup one? AFAIK, Marko Moeller (the former OOo-Co-Lead for the de-project) is working on a portable version of LibreOffice. It will be available on the portableapps website. (Marko, please correct me, if I'm wrong). best greetings, Thomas same to you. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] deb installer - have to manually modify link
Hello Rainer, 2010/12/6 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com: Hi I am using ubuntu, but on the download website, the link for Linux points to the rpm. If I want to download the deb, I have to manually change rpm to deb in the URL. Would it be possible to provide one link to the .deb and on to the rpm on the download page? the link is already on the page - but I have to admit, it is less prominent. ;) Scroll a bit down until all the boxes are done, you'll find the following text: You can also download using BitTorrent, or browse all the RC1 installation packages to get unofficial Debian packages (32-bit .debs or 64-bit .debs), or language packs. Some of those words are links and point you immediately to the directory (deb-files) for you to download. I hope, this helps. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Hi Marc, 2010/12/3 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2010-12-02 11:27, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Why ship an installer, when it is preferred to use the package manager from your Linux distribution? For Mandriva (on the console) do the following: - go to the directory that has all the rpm packages - su - (enter password) - urpmi *.rpm That installs all packages in the necessary order, you don't have to do anything else. As alternative, it should also be possible to use the gui: (I did not test this, but it should be easily doable) - Use konqueror / nautilus / dolphin or any other file manager, change into the folder, that has all your rpms you want to install - Mark all the files you want to install - Do a right click and choose Open with Software installer - Enter your root password in the popup - Installation should be done automatically. [...] Sigrid I had actually not installed any of the language packs as I just assumed that they would work. But now that I am trying to add them I downloaded the appropriate packs of English UK and French, unpacked them and installed them. But the language don't show in the language setting in the Tools-Options. They are all for 64-bit version. Do you have a 64-bit system? 32-bit versions can be found here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86/ http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86/64-bit versions are here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86_64/ I don't expect a 64-bit version to work on a 32-bit system. After you installed the language packs, you should be able to go to Tools Options Language Settings Languages and select there the language for your software interface, and the locale setting that suit you best (affects the decimal delimiter and default currency in Calc). The spellcheck should then also work for the selected language. That those things can take effect, you have to close LibO (including the quickstarter - if you use it) and start LibO again. Did you try this? Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Hi Marc, 2010/12/2 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2010-12-02 02:29, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit : Although a good idea, I would still like to see an installer do this rather than the language pack. Hmm, on MS-Windows language packs are installed by an installer in the same way as the core application. The difference is that this installer is localized. There is nothing to add in the language packs, only to modify them in order they are able to drive the installer of the core application. Best regards JBF Ah .. I am just looking at the language packs for linux distributions. Could anyone on the list explain how users install language packs on LO (I'm using the .rpm version as reference point here). It looks like they come in a .tar.gz file and when uncompressed a folder is created with a lot of .rpm files. There doesn't seem to be an installer that comes along with them and the user is left to use console to install. It this right? Why ship an installer, when it is preferred to use the package manager from your Linux distribution? For Mandriva (on the console) do the following: - go to the directory that has all the rpm packages - su - (enter password) - urpmi *.rpm That installs all packages in the necessary order, you don't have to do anything else. As alternative, it should also be possible to use the gui: (I did not test this, but it should be easily doable) - Use konqueror / nautilus / dolphin or any other file manager, change into the folder, that has all your rpms you want to install - Mark all the files you want to install - Do a right click and choose Open with Software installer - Enter your root password in the popup - Installation should be done automatically. [...] Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation confcall recording available
Thanks Florian. 2010/11/29 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Hello, I've just uploaded the recording of the documentation confcall to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Talkyoo-537138-2010-11-27-1219587.mp3 David et al., can you link it in the wiki from the appropriate page? ;) I wanted so much to join the call, but my internet connection didn't want me to. So it stopped working for almost all Saturday and Sunday. I only got it working yesterday evening. :( Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] accessibility mailing list
Hi Friedrich, 2010/11/29 Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de Hi Florian, *, might be I don't understand accesibility well.. yes, perhaps. Accessibility refers to people who have some disabilities, like bad eyesight, so you need a screen reader to learn about the content of a website or a document. Florian Effenberger schrieb: Christoph Noack wrote on 2010-11-28 13.08: Sorry to ask - but who asked? :-) It is a great sign, since this topic is very important and requires quite some experience. In the past, I felt very safe with Éric Savary covering this task for OOo and OOO. It would be great to know who might take care :-) someone from the audience at LinuxDay Dornbirn talked to me about our accesibility plans. She was disabled herself, and proposed a separate list with lower mail volume, where developers and people in need of accessibility could exchange themselves. not a good idea from my point of view because .. Of course, this only makes sense when we have someone taking care of this - that's why I share this idea. :-) A mailinglist with bad balance of giving - gaining for *all* members won't work well and this is, what I expect here. I can see the merit of having a mailing list just for those users. I remember one person with disabilities on the german users list - it was difficult following what she was writing and a lot of users, who did not know about her issues got really upset at her and reacted sometimes a bit too harsh... to avoid something like this, I would vote for a separate mailinglist. If such a person has a general usage question, than someone of the recipients can ask on the regular mailinglist, if s/he doesn't know the answer. [..] I guess the main concern is, that especially for people in need of ^^ accessibility, ^^ does this mean they need support for reason of lacking accessibility efficience or does that mean, they are interested in getting involved in development for making that better. Ideally it would mean, that they are interested in making LibO better. They could for example tell the developers, which tools they use (I don't know about that stuff and the dev's probably too) and can give some hints, what might be needed to allow those tools to work with LibO. In case of the first I'd say a mailinglist isn't a good choice at all. It rather would be a candidate for ask a question support form. following large mail threads not related to that topic, can be a problem - so a dedicated list indeed might make sense. This can be a problem for whomever. It's only solution is to get Your tools and Your communication partners help You achieving that task. This can be shurely be demanded by someone willing tho help development. Someone looking for advice is a completely different story and should be handled as such. Depending on those people's disability, they can see this almost as an personal attack (I remember those threads on the users list quite well...) Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [tdf-dicuss] Install Instruction Suggestion
Hi David, Am Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:46:54 +0800 schrieb David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz: Hi Sebastian, :-) I'm getting instructions for Fedora Core at this moment, but I was wondering if you're also able to explain how to UNINSTALL the beta 2 as well? (Me, I have beta 2 installed, and I'd like to install and test the beta 3... but how to get rid of the old installation first?) AFAIK, you don't have to uninstall the old version, if you install a newer one. For Windows, this does the installer automatically - it checks if you have a previous version and uninstalls it first. For Linux, if you use rpm, the command rpm -Uvh *.rpm the U stands for Update, so it means, that previous versions get uninstalled too. IIRC, the Mandriva version urpmi does this too - I don't know for the other Linux flavours. I hope, this helps. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?
Hi, I've tried to fix the mail from Florian Resinger: Btw, Florian, which email client do you use? Your email was horrible to read I've had a hard time figuring out, who said what after your mail. Sigrid Am Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:25:11 +0100 schrieb Florian Reisinger reisi...@live.at: Claus Agerskov schrieb: Sean White skrev: As a concerned user, if LibreOffice is meant a independent office project derived from the OpenOffice code then why do we still use their version numbering system. Wouldn't it be better to start from 1 to reinforce in peoples minds that we are a separate project I will suggest another version scheme like the one the Linux distribution Ubuntu uses. The year and month: 9.04, 9.10, 10.4 and 10.10. I know it is very difficult to release at a specific month because there could be a lot of issues that postpone a release date. Maybe it should only be the target to have one major release each year and smaller updates and security releases with minor version numbers: Yearly major release: 11 and 12 Update release: 11.1,11.2 and 12.1 Security releases: 11.0.5, 11.1.5, 11.2.5, 12.0.5 and 12.1.5 (security release 5) I think it would be easier to understand, if it's classic. Betas: 0.9.1 (Beta 1)1.9.3 ( Third Beta for Version Number 2 ) = Mayor Release Mayor Release 1.0 , 2.0 ... Update and Security Release: 1.1 1.5 Kind regards Florian Reisinger Linz Austria -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions
Hello Michael, Am Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:30:19 +0930 schrieb Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au: You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents. Friedrich I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation list. Don't worry, everyone here was once new to this mailing list thing. :) How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I be doing to ensure that the message gets to it's intended target? But thanks for the tip. Every email contains a header like this: In-Reply-To: 201011221623.03013.damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de (this is copied from your mail). :) So if you use a proper email client, the client can sort the emails where they belong and you can see who replied to which comment of another user. If you want to reply to a specific mail (that isn't the last email in the conversation list), then use the other reply button that is on the top right corner of that specific email. You will then see, that gmail quotes the correct mail content and you can comment to the specific paragraphs. Yes I was most defininately referring to Rene's comments. I have experienced a similar type of arrogance amongst 2 other open source projects, one of which was resolved quickly and resolutely by it's members actively denouncing such attitudes within the community. Yes, I agree with you, arrogance doesn't help this project. But I guess, René (btw, he is (was?) the Debian maintainer for OOo, and I guess, he will maintain LibO for Debian too) has seen similar questions too much and many people aren't willing to learn something new. So I can understand, that he lost patience. But this is no excuse, since I've seen this question only once here. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc
Hi Todd, 2010/10/26 todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-26 08:52, Gordon Burgess-Parker a écrit : They do load separately. What makes you think they don't? -Original Message- From: goldf...@aol.in [mailto:goldf...@aol.in] Sent: 26 October 2010 09:44 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; market...@libreoffice.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion: Separating Writer, Calc, Base, Draw etc Hi, [...] As I mentioned in another thread, I think a better solution would be an online installer (possibly the same software as an automatic updater). You just download a small program, tell it what parts of libo you want, it pulls those parts and the necessary dependencies from a server (it could check several mirrors) and installs those pieces. It could even walk them through the process, asking them what exactly they want to be able to do and then grabbing the programs necessary to do that. That way users wouldn't need to worry about which bits they need to download to get it working it, that is all handled automatically by the installer. It also means that users don't need to worry about future changes in how the parts are broken up, this is all hidden from the user. It also means that when a user wants to install, say, writer and calc only, they don't need to download writer+libraries and calc+libraries (downloading the libraries twice), they can just download writer+calc+libraries. This makes a huge difference since the libraries are by far the largest part of the suite (larger than the rest of the suite combined). In principle, I like your idea. However, I see one drawback: You have to rely on the internet connection that it is fast and reliable. While this is true for most European and US/Canada, it is not universal. And judging from my very own experience (I am in Sweden!), I don't have a very reliable internet connection. Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle's OpenOffice in Libre Software World Conference
Hi, 2010/10/25 timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com: Hello. [...] Other than that, maybe someone can contact the oOO presentation responsible person. Any possible solution to The Document Foundation having some presence in this FOSS event? I don't know, if it is a good idea to contact the OOo person. I've read on the OOo Marketing mailing list, that Louis will be the one person who is going there. I have doubts, that he will speak positively about TDF/LibO. Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions
Hi, I agree with Manfred here (I'll try to translate his points) ;) 2010/10/20 Manfred Usselmann usselman...@icg-online.de: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:58:07 -0400 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: Howdy Jean-Christophe, On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote: [...] Es por eso que yo digo que no pieso que podria hacerlo sin muchos problemas. No pienos que los otros los gustaran trabajar como eso. Keine Ahnung, was das heisst? Ich denke, die Mischung verschiedener Sprachen in einem Diskussionsstrang macht überhaupt keinen Sinn und führt letztendlich nur zu Verwirrung und Chaos. [start translation] No idea what this means. I think, the mixing of different languages in one discussion thread doesn't make sense and results in confusion and chaos. Englisch sollte die Hauptsprache auf der Liste bleiben, weil es einfach am praktikabelsten ist. Anderssprachige Beiträge, falls ausnahmsweise notwendig, sollten übersetzt und die Diskussion auf der entsprechenden Sprachliste fortgesetzt werden. Gibt es die nicht, sollte sie entweder angelegt werden, wenn häufiger Beiträge in der Sprache zu erwarten sind, oder ausnahmsweise der ganze Diskussionsfaden in der Sprache gehalten werden und die Sprache im Betreff genannt werden, so dass man weiss, dass man den Thread komplett überlesen kann, wenn man diese Sprache nicht beherscht. English should stay (?) as the main language of the list because it is the most practicable solution. Messages in other languages (if needed, but should be the exception), should be translated and the discussion should take place in the appropriate language list. If this list does not exist it should be either created if you expect more messages in that language, or as exception keep the whole thread in this language. In this case you should mention the language in the topic, so that people who don't know the language can skip this thread. ([end translation] I think Manfred has valid points and I agree with him. Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
Hi Drew, Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:44:32 -0400 schrieb Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed heavily on this list within the last two weeks) Hi just so I'm clear - you mean an Oracle developer is discussing things on the German lists, yes? yes, you are correct. Btw, more than just one... you can read there messages from Martin Hollmichel, Björn Michaelsen, Frank Peters, Mathias Bauer, Ingrid Halama (although only one or two from him and her), Christian Lippka, Andreas Bartel and probably a few more, that I've missed. To be fair, they do discuss on the international lists as well, but my impression is, that they are much more discussing on the de-dev-list. Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Hi, 2010/10/18 Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com: On 2010-10-18 3:38 AM, James Wilde wrote: Action point 5: Let the list system fade out, or at least move it down the priorities for user support. I know there are people in here who live in the Unix world - I did myself once - and use text-only email readers, and who therefore prefer mailing lists, but ordinary users don't like them. So keep and monitor the lists, but plug the forum. Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with a decent mail list manager... I believe that Mailman3 will support such a beast, but I haven't had much luck finding anything other than a lot of threads about custom plugins and such... yes, indeed, Mailman does support something like a mailinglist-forum-bridge. I am also involved in the new Mageia distribution and one of the participants there has for test purposes created such a forum-mailinglist gateway. You can read his introduction to the forum and the link to it in this email: http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-disc...@mageia.org/msg01602.html I'm sure he would be willing to help out a bit - if asked nicely. ;) Sigrid -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] German mailing lists have been launched
Hi Florian, @all, Am Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:44:04 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Hello, as a first test for providing infrastructure to local groups, the German mailing lists have been launched: great news, thanks! I have one question though: Are you planning on having a germanspeaking dev-list as well (like we have right now at OOo) or should the discuss-list be used for planning project specific tasks? Sigrid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
