Re: [tdf-discuss] Text are truncated after saving document
Þann þri 5.jún 2012 02:13, skrifaði rei: I have documents that have been edited with several word processors (Abiword, MS. Word, etc.). When I edited, saved, and reopened them using LibreOffice, all text in those documents are always truncated, like this one: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3988204/Edited.doc Edited.doc If documents' styles and formatting are set to 'Default', the text look good. However, is there a way to so that I don't need to do this every time I open documents? There are a lot of documents like this in my PC and it's very cumbersome to set their styles manually. LibreOffice Version: 3.5.3.2 Operating System: Ubuntu 12.04 (64 bit). Your Default style has a Fixed linespacing of 0.18cm, switching that to Simple linespacing (or whatewer a bit bigger) solves your problem. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Text are truncated after saving document
Þann þri 5.jún 2012 08:24, skrifaði rei: Sveinn í Felli wrote Þann þri 5.jún 2012 02:13, skrifaði rei: I have documents that have been edited with several word processors (Abiword, MS. Word, etc.). When I edited, saved, and reopened them using LibreOffice, all text in those documents are always truncated, like this one: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3988204/Edited.doc Edited.doc If documents' styles and formatting are set to 'Default', the text look good. However, is there a way to so that I don't need to do this every time I open documents? There are a lot of documents like this in my PC and it's very cumbersome to set their styles manually. LibreOffice Version: 3.5.3.2 Operating System: Ubuntu 12.04 (64 bit). Your Default style has a Fixed linespacing of 0.18cm, switching that to Simple linespacing (or whatewer a bit bigger) solves your problem. Sveinn í Felli Where does this line spacing come from? Here I attach the original document. The first time I opened it, it looked normal. However, if it is edited, saved, and reopened using LO, the text will be truncated. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3988239/Original.doc Original.doc I had to set the style / spacing manually so that it became normal again. Can't reproduce this by saving, neither in LibreOffice 3.5.1.2 nor 3.4.5. But when I take your Original.doc and choose Save as, LO offers to save it as RTF. And my Konqueror sees it as an RTF despite the .doc extension. Does the file originate in MS-Write or TextPad or similar? Sveinn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Þann þri 15.maí 2012 07:32, skrifaði Marc Paré: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc First, using LibreOffice would be a long term process towards use of ODP as a file format for future references, in my country this is a recommandation from our National Archives. Concerning extensions/add-ons in academic context: frequently asked is about an EndNotes replacement. There have been threads here on [tdf-discuss], most recommend Zotero for bibliographic work. My 2 centimes, Sveinn í felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility, very important!
Þann mið 15.feb 2012 22:14, skrifaði Olav Dahlum: On 15/02/12 22:26, lali wrote: Dear All, dear Community! I am very confused. If I tried to check the accessibility option for my nvda, in libre office, the option staied unchecked. I tried hundred Danke: Euer Lali Which screen reader? Guess he's referring to NVDA screen reader for Windows. www.nvda-project.org/ Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Þann mið 8.feb 2012 18:50, skrifaði sophie: On 08/02/2012 19:41, Pedro wrote: Sophie Gautier wrote the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users That is exactly what I said :) I accept that it is difficult to have democracy in such a large community. My argument is that FOSS is not inherently incompatible with democracy, contrary to David's logical demonstration and to Charles' argumentation. In any case it would be a futile exercise to just do a Poll since it would not bind anyone to the results :) I won't be so pessimistic. Of course, if it's a poll without any process and defined workflow, I agree with you. But if before you put an organization in place, it won't be futile and could bring a lot to the project. Even though I did forward my 2 cents on the issue, I didn't have such a strong opinion on the matter (the usual 5% of the users I occationally support will moan, I'm sure). To me, the case was solved by those who were there - at the time it happened - so be it. Maybe I'm not really bothered because this about a (trivial?) thing which then may be overruled/changed in the future, when/if there will be a more general policy-decision about icon-sets and theming. And before taking such bigger (democratic) decisions, there's a lot of work to do. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Standalone PDF
Þann fös 2.des 2011 08:40, skrifaði Uwe Altmann: Hi Am 02.12.11 05:12, schrieb Paul: Does Libre office have a stand alone PDF application? ie - does Libre provide the PDF editor by itself without all the other features in the 200 MB download - is it possible to install only the PDF tool without all the other features ? All responses appreciated. Thanks, Paula No. But then, Draw can open (most) PDFs. Maybe not ideal for what PDFs are intended for, but works. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [QA] Opening a .doc file - Regression in Libreoffice 3.4 ???
Sorry if this is not the proper list to ask, but before filing a bug I'd like to know if someone has seen this before: The following .doc file does open correctly in OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 but neither in LibreOffice 3.4.2 nor in LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 (Build:301) - tested on Debian and LinuxMint: http://www.tullverket.se/download/18.4ab1598c11632f3ba9280009674/enhetsdokument+anvands+vid+import+och+export+4+blad_tv718_3.doc Seems like a problem with lookup in many fields (Error: Source reference not found), also looks like cell formatting is separated onto another page than the form tables. Curiously in LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 the file is always opened as read-only, no matter which permissions or filesystem is used. Of course this could simply be a corrupted file, still it opens correctly in OOo. Any ideas ? Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))
Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a specific Wiki page, for example http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real* source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can download from the LibO website, hence the information will be misleading. As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add packaging instructions. If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive LibreOffice development and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us who they are. At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing extensive 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))
Þann þri 21.jún 2011 12:46, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is wrote: Þann þri 21.jún 2011 11:18, skrifaði Simos Xenitellis: 2011/6/21 Jesús Corriusje...@softcatala.org: 1. We want to add a paragraph somewhere in the About dialog box which says that if we are interested in the source code, we should read a specific Wiki page, for example http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AvailabilityOfSourceCode I see a problem here. Usually GNU/Linux distributions make modifications to the original source code. That means that the *real* source code will be the one from your distro and not the one you can download from the LibO website, hence the information will be misleading. As far as I know, the distributions make minimal or no changes to the actually code of LibreOffice. The best they will do is add packaging instructions. If you have information of a distribution that performs extensive LibreOffice development and did not bother to contribute them upstream, then please tell us who they are. At least OpenSuse does more than that; they've been doing extensive 'branding' of both OOo and LO for quite some time. Example: http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.4file=openSUSE%3A%2FTumbleweed%3A%2FTesting%2FopenSUSE_Tumbleweed_standard%2Fnoarch%2Flibreoffice-branding-openSUSE-3.3.1-1.1.noarch.rpmquery=libreoffice-branding I opened the file (file-roller can open .rpm files) and I only saw some OpenSUSE branding icons and a small rc file. There was no code in there, and the file is a 'noarch' one (No Architecture). Perhaps you are referring to a different file? Simos Better link here: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=libreoffice-brandingbaseproject=openSUSE%3A11.4lang=enexclude_debug=true BTW, there may be other packages as well. regards, Sveinn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances
Hi Alexander, Didn't know it wasn't possible to rotate images in Writer, and I agree this should be straightforward an option in the context-menu. Nevertheless there's a way to do this; don't insert your bar-code as a picture but as an OLE-object - choose LibreOffice Draw as the type - then you have an Draw object inside your Writer document. Double-clicking on the Draw object makes Draw menus appear, you'd import the bar-code as picture, right-click for properties, and one of the tabs contains rotation info. Clumsy but works and is a couple of mouse-clicks further than if the command was available in Writer. Other disadvantage is that it may be a bit tedious positioning the image inside the object frame, especially if the image is small (zoom in!). Good luck, Sveinn í Felli Þann sun 1.maí 2011 17:54, skrifaði Marc Paré: Hi Alexander Thanks for your input that I find very down to earth and practical. I am just curious, as you seem quite interested in LibreOffice, just as an exercise, would it be possible for you to take a document where you had to rotate an barcode and use Draw to rotate it and then insert the rotated image into the LibreOffice document? I would be interested in your comments on the process, just to see how we could streamline the process for LibreOffice. I believe this could be added to the bug/feature request and that it could add a more realistic every-day application of the rotation of a graphic. Cheers Marc Le 2011-05-01 08:33, Alexander Ostuni a écrit : Hi, yes, I could. But with MS Word I am simply quicker than use an extra application just for rotate the barcode... and time is money. Sigrid Carrera schrieb: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostunifolkfr...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions on the installed programms. I am not allowed to install any application that can rotate pictures. I have to create our formulars/documents. Each of them has a barcode. I get the barcodes horizontally but need them vertically in the formulars/dokuments. In MS word I can rotate them, in LO (wich is allowed in our bank and also the software we shall use over Word) not, so I can't use LO but have to use Word. If you have LibO on your computer, why don't you use then Draw to rotate the barcode? Sure, it is more convenient to have that feature in Writer, but Draw is the specialised component for drawings and it has a lot more functions and capabilities, that you could ever built into a text processing component. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Information
Þann þri 19.apr 2011 15:58, skrifaði Joel Santos: I downloaded libre office yesterday so far so good, sorry if I'm asking a stupid question, I'm not that good with computers, but I like to know since anyone can hack into your system is there any chance for anyone to see my personal information and documents I will creating using this software. Only some of the data you enter into User Data fields in your Tools/Options... will be used if in revision mode, that is if you are sending documents back and forth and want to see which person changed what. I think only Name/Surname and/or Initials are embedded in your files. You can be sure that LibreOffice is safe to that regard. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?
Þann lau 16.apr 2011 07:54, skrifaði Cor Nouws: Hi Bram, Bram Indrawan wrote (16-04-11 04:15) I am LIBRE OFFICE new user. Welcome ! Is LIBRE OFFICE have FREEZE PANE function/option? (FREEZE PANE can be find on MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010, I don't know in 2007 version) Hmm, can you pls explain what Freeze pane is expected to do? That makes it easier, at least for me, to answer. Thanks, Cor Seems to me it has to do with Window-Split and then Window-Freeze commands in LO/OOo. Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
On 03/29/2011 03:12 PM, skrifaði aqualung:
Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way...
according to the pronunciation conventions of their language.
The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning
it as a second language, will have no idea.
Before a recommended pronunciation is posted on a web page, agreement on a
particular one would have to be reached first.
Almost certainly, it won't be the francophone pronunciation (which is too
alien for people who have not had any practice speaking French). Then, the
paradoxical situation could arise that a trademark which is clearly French
in orthography could have a non-French recommended pronunciation.
The French are not going to like that, no sir
Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different
pronounciation ('b' approaches 'v').
'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/libre
Regards,
Sveinn í Felli
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: EPS images in ODF documents
On 01/30/2011 09:47 AM, skrifaði Magnus Johansson: Thank you, Fernand, for your reply. However, I have not been able to get better EPS images by printing to a PDF file. The problem is not coupled to PDF export, although OOo's built-in PDF export is not very good either. The problem is the poor quality of the inserted EPS images in the actual ODT document, both on screen and on print-out. Regarding using another format than EPS: For image creation I use an application that can only export to EPS. Magnus, Your EPS-files, are they mostly vector graphics or bitmapped ? EPS can act as a container for both, but with different best practices (Fernand described what I'd do if I had an EPS with a high-res TIFF, vector content is another story). Best regards Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Spam?
Þann fim 20.jan 2011 16:28, skrifaði Nino Novak: - forewarded to list admin Nino On Wednesday 19 January 2011 22:11, jessicarpane...@gmail.com wrote: Your website is really good but you could be missing out on a lot of online business because of where your site shows up on the major search engines. A few simple changes could greatly increase your web traffic and your bottom line. Reply to us and we will give you a free analysis of your site and show you what will make the difference for your business. Include the best way to reach you with the results. Sincerely, Jessica Panetta Web Placement Solutions, INC Well, if Web Placement Solutions, INC cant afford to give their staff anything else than @gmail adresses - I have doubts... ;-) Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion
Þann fim 20.jan 2011 01:05, skrifaði Andy Brown: On Wed Jan 19 2011 16:55:15 GMT-0800 (PST) toki wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/2011 09:17 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Why add something more to bloat the package when an extension already exist? Probably because the person wants something that works. And the extension you suggest does not work. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ReadabilityReport it should work just as well with LibreOffice as with OpenOffice.org. You do realize that that extension causes both LibO and OOo to crash every time it is called, don't you. Been a while since I used it, so no I did not realize that it was broke. But with all the changes to both programs I guess it is not surprising. Some basic features in the current RC of both are messed up as it is. Apparently it's a Windows-only thing. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Using free, open microblogging
Þann mið 12.jan 2011 09:38, skrifaði David Nelson: Hi, :-) I really wonder why this is necessary... I'd stay with Twitter... It's what everyone knows Or should we get off Facebook, too? My 0.2 cents. David Nelson P.S. But don't let me dent your enthusiasm :-D but *no-one* around me has heard of denting and dents... A lot of people have heard of Twitter and tweeting... Both terms are equally difficult in localisation in many languages. Plus, these are a sort of proper names of (volatile) services, which may or may not be durable. So I propose to use the more generic name microblog for those. Just thoughts from a l10n perspective Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Þann sun 2.jan 2011 10:03, skrifaði Olivier Hallot: Hi Em 01-01-2011 18:58, Sveinn í Felli escreveu: Þann lau 1.jan 2011 19:57, skrifaði NoOp: On 12/31/2010 02:18 AM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: (snip) I'm more interested in something like the mso2ooo: http://leapon.net/en/mso2ooo-batch-convert-microsoft-office-documents-openoffice-documents (snip) Best, Sveinn LibreOffice and OpenOffice already have a batch file format converter as a wizzard since relase 1 . Any hint on where this one is better or worse than the native one? Regards Does it support (read/convert from) .docx/..xlsx etc. ? Sveinn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Þann lau 1.jan 2011 19:57, skrifaði NoOp: On 12/31/2010 02:18 AM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: But I think that in a corporate context, a batch program for converting .doc and .docx to ODF would get some support and would/could ease the conversion. After all those years, there's a pile of .docs sitting on most PCs in this world. And having all the files in a same/similar format is an issue for many I've heard from. You might try: http://www.oooninja.com/2008/01/convert-openxml-docx-etc-in-linux-using.html [bit dated, but probably still works] Also see: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator/download Thanks, have not revisited this for a while. Seems these convert one file at a time. I'm more thinking about a program that could be run (maybe on first run of LibO ?) offering to convert all MSO files to their ODF equivalents, under same name, parsing all subfolders of a tree. Custom renaming, file exclusions and other stuff would be nice to have, but not mandatory. I'm more interested in something like the mso2ooo: http://leapon.net/en/mso2ooo-batch-convert-microsoft-office-documents-openoffice-documents The author even says that integration into OOo/LibO should be possible (for an OOoBasic-nerd): If someone could make the equivalent of mso2ooo.py in OpenOffice.org Basic, it would be just one step. Or integrate mso2ooo.py in mso2ooo.odt (OpenOffice.org documents can contain Python scripts, it’s just I can’t do it). This also solves the problem of Python in Windows. Best, Sveinn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
Þann fös 31.des 2010 01:28, skrifaði Wolf Halton: I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments. Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007, most of the time. Word allows reading and writing odf format. It tends to mess up fancy document formatting, but the most complicated document formatting these users do is adding a page number. The IT department set it up, so I don't know if the Plugin took manual set-up. If we could set up docx to save automatically to doc, that might be cool for us but don't you think that would just annoy core users of ms office? Most core users of any program just want to use it to perform some task. They don't care about these format battles. If we could make a couple of award-winning big-budget movies where format license was the pivotal plot device, we might have hope of including the core user in the controversy. I am not sure that deliberate exclusion coming from the let's get them before they get us vibe in this thread is going to work how we want. Once all European governments and half of Aisia go to open formats, maybe we just stop accepting ms formats at all. This is how ms office got their crushing grip on general business formatting, isn't it. Before Windows, the average university or (US) government core user was using WordPerfect on DOS. Over the next 5-10 years we will probably see a sea-change to *nix, cloud and open formats, but the focus of LO may have to shift to a SaaS delivery model to meet the challenges of that change. If the documents are shared primarily over the network through a browser, it will be very simple for those service providers to specify odf if we make the reasons clear enough, or if we are the providers of those services. Wolf Halton Couple of things here: I've been working on a fairly big Win/MSO -- LTSP-*buntu/OOo conversion in a 1500+ users school environment. So far it's been without major hiccups, you only have to repeat and tell each individual that OOo really CAN open .docx (provided one saves it first from the webmail client to the home directory or any other writable location) and that OOo CAN save the resulting file in .doc for further processing at home. This is primarily a 'computer literacy' problem and maybe setup of mail clients. While you're at it one can also mention the ODF-plugin for their copy of MSO :-) The main problem has been formulas in MSO-2007. Apparently there are two ways of entering formulas; one consists of using MSO Equation Editor which apparently renders/saves aproximately correct MathML. The other (default) way is direct insertion via MSO Equation, wihch is not even readable by MSO-2003 (only as a bitmap). If this could be adressed, many institutions/schools would have better time while changing sides. Apparently some (rare) equations don't transpose correctly to Calc, and some exotic .ppt transforms don't translate correctly to Impress. But first of all are the macros which give problems. Probably there will never be a perfect automatic way for converting those, I see it rather as a business opportunity for VBA/macro gurus. But I think that in a corporate context, a batch program for converting .doc and .docx to ODF would get some support and would/could ease the conversion. After all those years, there's a pile of .docs sitting on most PCs in this world. And having all the files in a same/similar format is an issue for many I've heard from. Just thoughts. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Þann fös 31.des 2010 17:04, skrifaði Paul Gress: On 12/31/10 05:07 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 30/12/10 20:41, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid Yes you can do something about it. Don't enable writing in that format. Use PDF's for communicating. If a MS user needs to be able to modify a document, use .doc format. There is no need to use .docx format. MS Office 2008 and 2011 can still read .doc files. Sure, but how about conservation and readability by future generations (when there's no more Microsoft knowledge around and nobody knows anymore how to decrypt all the nuances of.doc + .docx files) ? None of you get the point, do you. 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same format in which the original message was received) --- It must be arrogant for them to send you a format you don't support. Also, if the Win 7 users don't know what format the documents are in, why does it matter if it's returned to them in a .doc format? -- Think you hit the nail on the head, pal. Those who ignore any notion of a file format, will do it both ways, always, anyways... Best regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] PDF export in CMYK
Hi, Most printshops do the RGB-CMYK conversion themselves, normal home/office printing devices take in RGB. If your friend wants to enter the field of real DTP (and does not have/want the cash to shell out to Adobe) he could go for Scribus, a cross-platform FOSS DTP application. Scribus imports styles and some formatting from OOo/LibO. The learning curve (in DTP) is quite steep, and you're entering a minefield of professional techniques and jargon which is best handled by the printshops - unless one wants to take the plunge themselves. The easiest would be to place the LibO-RGB.pdf in an image frame in Scribus (each page separately) and let Scribus render the file to Scribus-CMYK.pdf. There are also a bunch of command-line tools which can assist in such a conversion, but for them to be useful one has to know exactly which parameters to use. Regards, Sveinn í Felli On 12/16/2010 08:08 AM, skrifaði Fernand Vanrie: Tibor, A few years ago i would say yes a good idea that CMYK but deaser days RGB is a common workflow due to the online use of the same (rgb) documents. CMYK is printer business so they mostly prefer to do the transfer off a RGB-pdf into a CMYK-pdf. Important for this process is using the correct colorspace (sRGB or adobeRGB) is more important and there are we have no tools in LO ! Fernand Hi, Friend of mine had an issue with openoffice, He was asked to deliver pdf in CMYK colorspace. It is not possible by now AFAIK. But are there any plans or any work being done in this regard? I just wonder, it is not critical issue for me, nor for my friend. He used some Adobe product at the end... Regards -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Text Object view problems after copy / paste
Þann fös 10.des 2010 06:05, skrifaði Rainer Bielefeld: Hi, can someone confirm problems from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32236 with other OS than WIN? Please comment in the Bug! Best regards Rainer Not able to login to bugs for the moment; did the test on Fedora 13 64bit without any problems. Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
On fim 2.des 2010 15:58, skrifaði Marc Paré: - Ah .. I am just looking at the language packs for linux distributions. Could anyone on the list explain how users install language packs on LO (I'm using the .rpm version as reference point here). It looks like they come in a .tar.gz file and when uncompressed a folder is created with a lot of .rpm files. There doesn't seem to be an installer that comes along with them and the user is left to use console to install. It this right? So, if this is the case, we would then have to a common installer where the user would identify the language pack(s) needed. It doesn't look like the language pack installers would be a good place as the language installation methods are different from one OS to the other. Does this make sense? Well, that depends on what you define as an 'user'. 'Normal Linux users' (as of today = *buntu/Mint etc) use their respective package managers to set up software. Developers should be capable to pull their nightly dose directly from git, the users in question (which are likely to install LibreOffice from those packages) are either adventurous or participating as translators/QA or such. Even for translation/QA/testing users, offering repositories could be an easier way to go and probably less resource-hogging. Of course it would be easiest if there was one metapackage/script for installing the repo and the chosen language packs. OpenSuse has an 'One Click Install' system on their web, which is just a simple script witch initiates the PM with information about the repository in question. Centralised PM's have become the 'Linux-way', picking up packages in various places on the web is so 'passé'... ;-) Just thoughts, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components
I do a bunch of DTP and construction-related work. Then some FOSS promotion too, along with translations of such software. If the Anaphraseus extension would work better with LibO/OOo, then I'd probably dump OmegaT for Writer. Do you use the quick starter? No, disable the thing if I notice its running Writer = 30% Calc = 40% Impress = 10% Draw = 20% Math = 01% Base = 01% Writer: Reports, narratives and even proofreading of HTML text. Calc: Analysis of data, simple to complex calculations, table layout and structuring before entering DTP. Impress: Occasional lectures, speeches. Draw: For simple flowcharts and illustrations, quite nice in that kind of work. Inkscape, SK1, Krita, GIMP, Hugin, Blender and Scribus for anything serious (icc profiles, etc). Math: Occasionnally I have to demonstrate its existance - and try to figure out some compatibility with MS-Equation. Base: More into using MySQL databases, but I recon it can be useful for small thingies. Love the general connectivity of OOo/LibO with many kinds of DBs. Maybe Draw should be targeted more towards 'Visio'-style usage? And/or to be an internal image handler instead of being a standalone-app? Cheers, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
Þann fim 28.okt 2010 07:09, skrifaði Valter Mura: In data mercoledì 27 ottobre 2010 21:41:20, Marc Paré ha scritto: I don't think I would favour this. There is too much potential for gathering data from users and we could really run in trouble if criticism were to spread that we are data mining our LibO users. Is there anything like that on the debian project? Ubuntu can gather data form its package manager, if the user enables it. KDE has an automatic usage survey/bugreporting in the case of a crash, you have to install some kernel headers for it to be of any real help though. The point is how much the user is aware of the process and how much transparent the process is. If you warn the user and he/she accepts to enable the gathering, I think there will be no problems. Behind the data collection, limited to name, organization, e-mail, country, and OS and language used, there should be *always* the acceptance and the decision of the user. Maybe more users would participate if such a proposition was anonymous (an occasional popup asking whether some usage data might be sent to the devs); region, locale, OS, software version and usage stats should suffice. If worded adequately, people should feel they're offering help for further development for the benefit of all users. Anyway, I think also that a request of registration during installation is acceptable. You can add, optionally, some check boxes to activate for mailing list subscriptions, eg. user, discuss, announce, and so on, so that the user who subscribe can receive info and news. This could be an idea, also. +1 Maybe such a popup, asking whether one would like to register and/or send usage data, should be activated a bit later than right after installation ? First time users may think it's a bit bullying/alienating having this coming up right after installation. If this pops up after some days or a certain number of launches, then the users have become a bit accustomed to the software and may thus be a bit less overwhelmed by this additional information. Just a hunch. regards, Sveinn í Felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Þann mið 20.okt 2010 07:24, skrifaði Sebastian Spaeth: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:07:47 -0500, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com wrote: If you would like to monitor what is happening here in the future you may want a web interface to the mailing lists - I will be leaving this page up http://oucv.org/tdf.html Drew, your page is a very neat tie-in to the Nabble version of the list, and should provide everything somebody needs to follow (and continue contributing to) their own thread without necessarily subscribing to the list. This is wonderful! I vote for it to be part of the official support mechanism. +1 +1 -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.
Hi Þann mán 18.okt 2010 15:08, skrifaði Roxy Robinson: All of you folks that are running this show had better start thinking about what the USERS need's are, or pretty soon you are going to turn around and find that most of your users have left. I have been using OOo for almost as long as it has been available and have told many people about it. But right now I am TOTALLY CONFUSED ABOUT JUST EXACTLY WHAT, WHERE, WHY, WHEN, AND HOW of anything about OOo versus LibreOffice, or whatever the hell it is. Please don't shout, we get the message. Technically there are not yet any normal LibreOffice users; there's not yet any official release, only a beta. But I totally agree with the concerns about future layout of user-services and feedback. These should be addressed quickly and be in place before the official release, but it's critical to organise those efforts to avoid duplicate work and loss of focus. I think there should be a dedicated LO-team for implementing and organising help for users, working closely with other teams like the documentation- and web/wiki-teams. Maybe a sort of user-ombudsmen which would be in charge of scrutinising things like web-navigation, UI-navigation, helpcontent etc. - for the benefit of their clients; plain users. (maybe too dramatic here - sorry) All concerns seem to be around the foundation, not the software and its users The TDF exists for the development of the software, AND the users of the software, and it really appears to me the folks running the TDF have completely lost sight of that!!! Practically everything on the TDF web page is about people; hardly anything there about the software and what is taking place as OOo moves to LibreOffice - I guess that is what is happening??? I am what I think would be referred to as a typical user - someone who found an excellent Microsoft Office replacement and enjoys using it. And has been thankful for the assistance, fixes, and upgrades that have been available along the way. But, as I said, I am sitting here, out in the country outside a small town in Texas, and am totally confused about just where everything is You folks need to get all your Aggies in a row, and get back to supporting your users!!! Roxy Robinson - a totally confused 68 year old user You just made it from being a totally confused 68 year old user to being a participant in the project - thank you ;-) Please, James is right - it is very very difficult as just a User to find your way around - I've said it a couple of times, and it is really really true. I think that it would be beneficial to launch a new thread on user-services, navigation and user-feedback in order to find a good structure and basic organisation. Even if things like wikis have for nature to auto-organise themselves, a good basic structure can speed up creation of their content. Just some thoughts, Sveinn í Felli Paul On 18 October 2010 22:34, Stefan Weigelstefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi, Chris Carpenter schrieb: Well, there have been doubts, if it makes sense to open yet another forum, since the existing forums are all community driven and support OOo and all of its derivates as well. In this case, shouldn't there be links to these other forums? Sure. But I think, this is work in progress, as it is for linking to documentation and any other form of user support. Generally, I assume the whole website thing is a temporary solution and some people are working intensively on a CMS solution. Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal
Þann fös 15.okt 2010 08:29, skrifaði Jean Hollis Weber: On Fri, 2010-10-15, David Nelson wrote: IMHO, LibO needs something that is quite new and a bold departure... Please keep in mind that a lot of people do not want the user interface to change too much. One reason they love OOo is that its UI is like the older versions of MSO (2003 and before). I get mail all the time from people saying please tell me they're not going to change OOo too much! Well, maybe if OOo doesn't change, and LibO does, that's okay. Something for everyone: the oldsters and the youngsters.grin Why not have such things user configurable (skins?/themes?). then one could choose Classic OOo interface, Interactive Ribbon* interface, Widescreen Sidebars interface, Minimalistic Netbook interface etc. If done correctly it should not bloat the software too much. *Ribbon is maybe trademarked ? Regards, Sveinn í Felli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal
Þann fös 15.okt 2010 09:07, skrifaði Jean Weber: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010, David Nelsoncomme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) One thing missing from LibO is the ability to split one window showing 2 / 3 / X different docs... I spend a lot of time proofreading and comparing docs... Although you can't put up two documents in one window, you can have two windows open, either for different docs or for different views of the same doc, and arrange them on the screen however you like. Of course, it helps if you have a large monitor (mine is 27). I don't see any advantage of one window with multiple docs, though I'll admit it's been many years since I used a program that did that so I may be missing something. What *is* the advantage from your POV? This is how it used to be some time ago in MSO (and I think OOo): multiple documents tiled/cascading inside one program window, with *one set of toolbars and menus* - thus maximizing screen estate. Can be confusing if the theme does not distinguish well between active/inactive documents, but quite productive if you got many or long toolbars (say Anapraseus for translations) arranged along the top of the main window. Arranging two docs side by side with two sets of toolbars/menus make the menus wrap/be partially hidden. Sveinn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
