Thorsten Behrens wrote:
hm, I guess most rules can be gamed, by any sufficiently determined
adversary - so I would favour simple, effective bylaws, and use
common sense otherwise.
Additionally, you want to provide the proverbial Big Corp some
incentive to join - note that this was one specific
Le 2010-10-26 07:09, Gianluca Turconi a écrit :
Thorsten Behrens wrote:
hm, I guess most rules can be gamed, by any sufficiently determined
adversary - so I would favour simple, effective bylaws, and use
common sense otherwise.
Additionally, you want to provide the proverbial Big Corp some
Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Hypothetical example: Google Corp. develops a large chunk of code for
LibreOffice. It's an important contribution, of course, and Google would
belong to the wider LibO community, but is this big contribution
enough to
join the steering group of TDF?
No - but it
on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com
meant to write:
- sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was _not_ talking about you the individual
there.
Ahh, yes of course Sorry! Silly me !
Best wishes,
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Le Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:37:14 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
Il 20/10/2010 17.37, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
yes. So now, do you like what you see?:-)
Well, generally speaking, yes.
I'm just a bit worried about the point of view about
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi
m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google,
whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council;
While it seem you and others see: The Document Foundation + Google +
Il 19/10/2010 18.11, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
[...]
Well, I think that the split between these two visions is somewhat
articifical. To be frank I don't think I ever had thought about this
that way. And in fact I don't see why the two models you defined are so
stringently different, but
Il 19/10/2010 20.13, André Schnabel ha scritto:
[...]
You can help and support us by becoming a member of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation. The membership fee is £15 per year and enables you to
influence the direction of OpenStreetMap by being able to vote in
elections for officers of the
Hi,
Von: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi
m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google,
whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council;
While it seem you and
Hi Gainluca,
Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and
evaluation... ;-)
That's an important step ahead.
On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and
last for a certain time frame.
Then, there's a desperate need for a clear definition
Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto:
[...]
There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts
as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual
trademarks and decides on licensing policies for these etc. and a wider
council that is composed of
Le 2010-10-20 04:41, Gianluca Turconi a écrit :
Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto:
[...]
There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts
as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual
trademarks and decides on licensing policies for
Il 20/10/2010 11.34, Marc Paré ha scritto:
[...]
However, the *members* of the *Foundation* *decide*. Of course, it's so
*if* this foundation has to have a steering role in the community, only.
I agree with this concept but more like this: The Document Foundation
would have more of a
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote:
Hi Gainluca,
Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and
evaluation... ;-)
That's an important step ahead.
On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and
last for a certain
Le 2010-10-20 07:30, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote:
Hi Gainluca,
Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and
evaluation... ;-)
That's an important step ahead.
On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial
I decided I would try to convey my thoughts on this now
First I had a couple of questions
How many member do we envision being on the SC?
How many projects does the SC envision having under the TDF.
Right now I see the need for LibreOffice, and I really do see a need for a
couple other
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, James Walker centra...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem as I see it is how do you define the amount of contribution each
person gives, cause in my opinion even the users are contributors to the
project, without the users there would be no need for the project.
I
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove the code
Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles.
Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples.
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Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:57:43 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove the code
Contributions are not only
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove the code
Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles.
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 21:00 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
Hi, :-)
Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software
Foundation project
+1
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From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove the code
Hello,
Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400,
Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and
all derived works.
2. what
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Hello,
Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400,
Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you
Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to
- Original Message
From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400,
Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message
From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:01 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote:
You can define contribution as documents or
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
Here is an interesting one - let's say that you did not actively work on
translations (yet) and you have not started working at the booth in
fairs and expos (yet..:) - but you started with your own initiative by
Hi,
Von: Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
It looks good to me and covers most of the points I am familiar with in
other volunteer organisations.
The ND Manifesto is mentioned twice, but I don't know what or where
that is.
thanks for the reminder - I changed the text to be links.
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:15 +0200, Erich Christian wrote:
Hi Jean, *
Am 19.10.2010 08:46, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber:
On Mon, 2010-10-18, André Schnabel wrote:
To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
It looks good to
Hallo André,
André Schnabel schrieb:
For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread
alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and
the word Membership in the subject.
I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion,
Very little response so
In data 18 ottobre 2010 alle ore 18:44:25, André Schnabel
andre.schna...@gmx.net ha scritto:
To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the
Hi Gianluca,
Von: Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community.
Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear.
I'm
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:37:02 +0200, Gianluca Turconi
m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community.
Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They
Hi, :-)
Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software
Foundation project and avoid a lot of duplicated work, wasted time and
endless discussion setting things up?
David Nelson
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In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:42:26, Andre Schnabel
andre.schna...@gmx.net ha scritto:
Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear.
I'm not speaking about members of legal entity The Docuemnt Foundation
but of those people who will be recognised as the community
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:43:01, Sebastian Spaeth
sebast...@sspaeth.de ha scritto:
Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They have about
30,000 active contributors, aka community members, but around 250 or so
active foundation members. Membership is formally
Hi,
André Schnabel schrieb:
One of the very basic questions to answer is:
Who is a member at TDF.
Is there meant the membership in the TDF or in the LibreOffice-Community?
Well - we (the Steering Committee) do not have a detailed answer on
this, as we think that the voice of our
2010/10/18 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
Hi,
as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an
independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation should
be lead by it's members, based on their merit.
One of the very basic questions to answer is:
- Original Message
From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:05:50 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:34:33, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha
Il 19/10/2010 17.19, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
[...]
So, if I understand you well, you do indeed raise a good question, but
one which, to me, adds more gray zones. Let me rephrase how I
understand your position: you are afraid that we're mixing the
membership of the Foundation and the
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:42:00 -0500,
Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org a écrit :
2010/10/18 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
Hi,
as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an
independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation
should be
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
Il 19/10/2010 17.19, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
[...]
So, if I understand you well, you do indeed raise a good question,
but one which, to me, adds more gray zones. Let me rephrase how I
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:53 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote:
Hi all!
Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 11:29 +0200 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
Very little response so far. My personal reason why I didn´t
respond: 100% accordance.
+1 (but I will continue to think about that...)
;-)
+1 ;-)
Hi,
Am 19.10.2010 20:10, schrieb Marc Paré:
Hierarchy:
We need to talk about Hirachy for sure but ...
The Document Foundation is the umbrella group where all projects answer
to it. Presently, under this umbrella, there is only 1 project:
LibreOffice. There is however, the potential for
Le 2010-10-19 15:00, André Schnabel a écrit :
Hi,
Am 19.10.2010 20:10, schrieb Marc Paré:
Hierarchy:
We need to talk about Hirachy for sure but ...
The Document Foundation is the umbrella group where all projects answer
to it. Presently, under this umbrella, there is only 1 project:
Le 2010-10-19 15:09, Mike Dupont a écrit :
2010/10/19 André Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net:
this just moves the problem from defining a TDF-member to the problem of
Here is a sarcastic definition of member :
A member of DF is someone who is not working for some big
unenlightened company
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