Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
I do not totally agree Christian details inline... That said, your summary was easier for me to read than the list... On 09/27/2012 08:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Where's the difference between General Discussion Lounge (or whatever name will be chosen) - it is not clear to me. I assume that it is an off topic forum where you can ask anything about anything (well, mostly anyway). Just guessing. ### I don't think there is a need for an installation configuration category, let alone individual forums for each OS. Installation is best covered using Tutorials/The existing installation documentation. so I'd remove the Installation category forums and instead cover it in Tutorials and in a catchall/general questions section in libreoffice apps category. After all installing is not black magic... I partially disagree. One might argue for a specialty forum in general related to a specific operating system, but I don't think it need be specific to installation. I also don't think that installation questions should be handled in tutorials, it is certainly not the first place I would jump to if I could not install some software. One nice thing about a separate installation section, is that it will probably primarily attract the new users that have difficulty in this area. It will likely not see heavy use, which is probably good because it means that a new problem will be close to the top where a new person is most likely to see it and maybe have their question answered immediately. ### In LibreOffice Applications, I wouldn't split them out as much, but rather shrink them to: * Writer Math * Calc * Impress Draw * Base * Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put Base into this forum as well. I disagree with this as well, but I will admit that Draw and Impress share much in common. Math people may be working in Write, and I expect much more traffic in Write than in Math, but again, categorizing in this way is generally useful, even if there are only a few posts a month in this category. The real purpose is that the Math questions are generally very specific, and it makes it much easier later to browse what has been discussed in that area. If you can have math be a sub-category of Write, however, that might be a good thing. I certainly would not put Base into General, because the questions are so specific. For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) New people in general are not likely to do this. If they are asked as part of the registration process, however, that might help in this regard. ### The SiteFeedback Website contributor forums seem to overlap I assume that site feedback is for a general user that wants to say something like this forum is horrible because (or similar). I assume that the later is for people actively developing the LO web site (ie, not the forum). ### And I assume that the Admin-Category will be hidden for Anonymous regular Users, right? :-) One can hope! So I'd rather start with fewer forums, and if real-life usage proves me wrong, create the additional, specialized forums. It is certainly easier to add new categories than it is to remove them. But especially Math and Draw don't get so many questions that are specifc. Base might deserve its own section because the nature of the questions is redically different, and most of the time require database knowledge, but probably not from a volume perspective. Then again, I don't read/monitor the english user's list, so it might be different from e.g. the german project. So in short: * remove Installation Category (cover it in tutorial and app-questions) * combine Apps forums (and create a general forum for non-app specific question like for installation) * explain difference between General Discussion and Lounge * check overlap betwen Site Feedback and Website ciao Christian -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
As Christian suggested I think the main sections of the forum to start out with are sections for writer, calc, etc. What do you guys think would those be good things to initially start with? On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I do not totally agree Christian details inline... That said, your summary was easier for me to read than the list... On 09/27/2012 08:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Where's the difference between General Discussion Lounge (or whatever name will be chosen) - it is not clear to me. I assume that it is an off topic forum where you can ask anything about anything (well, mostly anyway). Just guessing. ### I don't think there is a need for an installation configuration category, let alone individual forums for each OS. Installation is best covered using Tutorials/The existing installation documentation. so I'd remove the Installation category forums and instead cover it in Tutorials and in a catchall/general questions section in libreoffice apps category. After all installing is not black magic... I partially disagree. One might argue for a specialty forum in general related to a specific operating system, but I don't think it need be specific to installation. I also don't think that installation questions should be handled in tutorials, it is certainly not the first place I would jump to if I could not install some software. One nice thing about a separate installation section, is that it will probably primarily attract the new users that have difficulty in this area. It will likely not see heavy use, which is probably good because it means that a new problem will be close to the top where a new person is most likely to see it and maybe have their question answered immediately. ### In LibreOffice Applications, I wouldn't split them out as much, but rather shrink them to: * Writer Math * Calc * Impress Draw * Base * Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put Base into this forum as well. I disagree with this as well, but I will admit that Draw and Impress share much in common. Math people may be working in Write, and I expect much more traffic in Write than in Math, but again, categorizing in this way is generally useful, even if there are only a few posts a month in this category. The real purpose is that the Math questions are generally very specific, and it makes it much easier later to browse what has been discussed in that area. If you can have math be a sub-category of Write, however, that might be a good thing. I certainly would not put Base into General, because the questions are so specific. For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) New people in general are not likely to do this. If they are asked as part of the registration process, however, that might help in this regard. ### The SiteFeedback Website contributor forums seem to overlap I assume that site feedback is for a general user that wants to say something like this forum is horrible because (or similar). I assume that the later is for people actively developing the LO web site (ie, not the forum). ### And I assume that the Admin-Category will be hidden for Anonymous regular Users, right? :-) One can hope! So I'd rather start with fewer forums, and if real-life usage proves me wrong, create the additional, specialized forums. It is certainly easier to add new categories than it is to remove them. But especially Math and Draw don't get so many questions that are specifc. Base might deserve its own section because the nature of the questions is redically different, and most of the time require database knowledge, but probably not from a volume perspective. Then again, I don't read/monitor the english user's list, so it might be different from e.g. the german project. So in short: * remove Installation Category (cover it in tutorial and app-questions) * combine Apps forums (and create a general forum for non-app specific question like for installation) * explain difference between General Discussion and Lounge * check overlap betwen Site Feedback and Website ciao Christian -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
Hi all, The idea to start with fewer boards is very good. In the future, if needed you can create new categories and forums and move there specific messages. Waiting for opinions and then modify the proposal. Best regards, Lucian --- Lucian Oprea Telefon: 0745 592602 Pe 27.09.2012 16:24, Jonathan Aquilina a scris: As Christian suggested I think the main sections of the forum to start out with are sections for writer, calc, etc. What do you guys think would those be good things to initially start with? On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I do not totally agree Christian details inline... That said, your summary was easier for me to read than the list... On 09/27/2012 08:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Where's the difference between General Discussion Lounge (or whatever name will be chosen) - it is not clear to me. I assume that it is an off topic forum where you can ask anything about anything (well, mostly anyway). Just guessing. ### I don't think there is a need for an installation configuration category, let alone individual forums for each OS. Installation is best covered using Tutorials/The existing installation documentation. so I'd remove the Installation category forums and instead cover it in Tutorials and in a catchall/general questions section in libreoffice apps category. After all installing is not black magic... I partially disagree. One might argue for a specialty forum in general related to a specific operating system, but I don't think it need be specific to installation. I also don't think that installation questions should be handled in tutorials, it is certainly not the first place I would jump to if I could not install some software. One nice thing about a separate installation section, is that it will probably primarily attract the new users that have difficulty in this area. It will likely not see heavy use, which is probably good because it means that a new problem will be close to the top where a new person is most likely to see it and maybe have their question answered immediately. ### In LibreOffice Applications, I wouldn't split them out as much, but rather shrink them to: * Writer Math * Calc * Impress Draw * Base * Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put Base into this forum as well. I disagree with this as well, but I will admit that Draw and Impress share much in common. Math people may be working in Write, and I expect much more traffic in Write than in Math, but again, categorizing in this way is generally useful, even if there are only a few posts a month in this category. The real purpose is that the Math questions are generally very specific, and it makes it much easier later to browse what has been discussed in that area. If you can have math be a sub-category of Write, however, that might be a good thing. I certainly would not put Base into General, because the questions are so specific. For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) New people in general are not likely to do this. If they are asked as part of the registration process, however, that might help in this regard. ### The SiteFeedback Website contributor forums seem to overlap I assume that site feedback is for a general user that wants to say something like this forum is horrible because (or similar). I assume that the later is for people actively developing the LO web site (ie, not the forum). ### And I assume that the Admin-Category will be hidden for Anonymous regular Users, right? :-) One can hope! So I'd rather start with fewer forums, and if real-life usage proves me wrong, create the additional, specialized forums. It is certainly easier to add new categories than it is to remove them. But especially Math and Draw don't get so many questions that are specifc. Base might deserve its own section because the nature of the questions is redically different, and most of the time require database knowledge, but probably not from a volume perspective. Then again, I don't read/monitor the english user's list, so it might be different from e.g. the german project. So in short: * remove Installation Category (cover it in tutorial and app-questions) * combine Apps forums (and create a general forum for non-app specific question like for installation) * explain difference between General Discussion and Lounge * check overlap betwen Site Feedback and Website ciao Christian -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems?
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
Hi Joel, *, On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: On 09/27/2012 05:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] Not sure wether I like the creation of an off-topic area right from the start... [...] For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) The reality is that most users don't read sticked stuff so asking for them to do certain things in those notes might just be ignored. Well - it is a forum, there will be moderators, so topics can be adjusted if people don't follow the rules by themselves. In another post Leif suggested a bugs and errors section. I'm strongly opposed to this. Bugzilla is the one and only way to file bug/error reports. Everything else is just creating a wrong impression, while in fact those reports will not be looked at. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Joel, *, On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: On 09/27/2012 05:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] Not sure wether I like the creation of an off-topic area right from the start... I'm willing to discuss but ultimately my stance is I am in favor of off-topic immediately. It helps give a sense of just a place to come and meet other FOSS people, also no reason to be strictly business right from the start. [...] For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) The reality is that most users don't read sticked stuff so asking for them to do certain things in those notes might just be ignored. Well - it is a forum, there will be moderators, so topics can be adjusted if people don't follow the rules by themselves. More work for limited moderators seems like a bad idea to me if it can be easily solved by separating them. I'm not opposed to having one installation section in theory, but I think the idea of having users put brackets in is just not realistic and having moderators constantly having to change subjects of point out this problem to users is also not realistic. In another post Leif suggested a bugs and errors section. I'm strongly opposed to this. Bugzilla is the one and only way to file bug/error reports. Everything else is just creating a wrong impression, while in fact those reports will not be looked at. Agreed. We had briefly discussed a bugs and errors section and ultimately we decided this wasn't a good idea. If we notice someone posting a thread that is a bug, we'll point them to the bug reporting section of our webpage and let them file a bug. Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
Hi all, Thanks for working on this! Lucian Oprea wrote (27-09-12 15:29) The idea to start with fewer boards is very good. In the future, if needed you can create new categories and forums and move there specific messages. One could also think that a special category makes it more attractive to post / search on that topic. E.g. configuration and api/macro's might be interesting ones. So that would be more likely to gather advanced users too. Or do I underestimate the tools available skills needed for searching ;-) Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
+1 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Lucian Oprea oprea.l...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The idea to start with fewer boards is very good. In the future, if needed you can create new categories and forums and move there specific messages. Waiting for opinions and then modify the proposal. Best regards, Lucian --- Lucian Oprea Telefon: 0745 592602 Pe 27.09.2012 16:24, Jonathan Aquilina a scris: As Christian suggested I think the main sections of the forum to start out with are sections for writer, calc, etc. What do you guys think would those be good things to initially start with? On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I do not totally agree Christian details inline... That said, your summary was easier for me to read than the list... On 09/27/2012 08:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Where's the difference between General Discussion Lounge (or whatever name will be chosen) - it is not clear to me. I assume that it is an off topic forum where you can ask anything about anything (well, mostly anyway). Just guessing. ### I don't think there is a need for an installation configuration category, let alone individual forums for each OS. Installation is best covered using Tutorials/The existing installation documentation. so I'd remove the Installation category forums and instead cover it in Tutorials and in a catchall/general questions section in libreoffice apps category. After all installing is not black magic... I partially disagree. One might argue for a specialty forum in general related to a specific operating system, but I don't think it need be specific to installation. I also don't think that installation questions should be handled in tutorials, it is certainly not the first place I would jump to if I could not install some software. One nice thing about a separate installation section, is that it will probably primarily attract the new users that have difficulty in this area. It will likely not see heavy use, which is probably good because it means that a new problem will be close to the top where a new person is most likely to see it and maybe have their question answered immediately. ### In LibreOffice Applications, I wouldn't split them out as much, but rather shrink them to: * Writer Math * Calc * Impress Draw * Base * Catch-all/General (also the place to ask installation/configuration problems if not covered by the tutorials) - might even consider to put Base into this forum as well. I disagree with this as well, but I will admit that Draw and Impress share much in common. Math people may be working in Write, and I expect much more traffic in Write than in Math, but again, categorizing in this way is generally useful, even if there are only a few posts a month in this category. The real purpose is that the Math questions are generally very specific, and it makes it much easier later to browse what has been discussed in that area. If you can have math be a sub-category of Write, however, that might be a good thing. I certainly would not put Base into General, because the questions are so specific. For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...) New people in general are not likely to do this. If they are asked as part of the registration process, however, that might help in this regard. ### The SiteFeedback Website contributor forums seem to overlap I assume that site feedback is for a general user that wants to say something like this forum is horrible because (or similar). I assume that the later is for people actively developing the LO web site (ie, not the forum). ### And I assume that the Admin-Category will be hidden for Anonymous regular Users, right? :-) One can hope! So I'd rather start with fewer forums, and if real-life usage proves me wrong, create the additional, specialized forums. It is certainly easier to add new categories than it is to remove them. But especially Math and Draw don't get so many questions that are specifc. Base might deserve its own section because the nature of the questions is redically different, and most of the time require database knowledge, but probably not from a volume perspective. Then again, I don't read/monitor the english user's list, so it might be different from e.g. the german project. So in short: * remove Installation Category (cover it in tutorial and app-questions) * combine Apps forums (and create a general forum for non-app specific question like for installation) * explain difference between General Discussion and Lounge * check overlap betwen Site Feedback and Website ciao Christian -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document:
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
The LibreOffice Forums co-cordinators[1] have been hard at work behind the scenes readying a forums solution for the LibreOffice project. We have gotten to the point where we need to decide on the categories/forums, and, have drawn up a proposal for you to examine and to discuss. Please note that the categories and forums shown on the page[2], at this point, are only suggestions and may be modified (some may be removed or added) after we have discussed this as a group. As LibreOffice Forums is a communications tool that affects all areas of the project, we would like to have the main discussion and decisions of the categories/forums done on the discussion list. If this proposal includes a list where you actively participate, please have a discussion there and report back to the discussion list of the outcome of your discussions. You may find more details on the Forum Planning wiki page[1]. The plan for the LibreOffice Forums is that the global EN forums will make its appearance first (date is still undetermined), and, the native language forums will follow soon after. We will be making arrangements for moderators following the agreement on the proposal. The LibreOffice Forums co-cordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Forum-planning#Coordinator.28s.29 [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9lOM8_6gsLdDBmOUJVOURpM0hmNTgySWxCV0VzVWc#gid=0 -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
