The way cuil attaches pictures to search results makes it inviting and
interesting for searches like this
http://www.cuil.com/search?q=bread%20recipessl=long
But there is too much text in the results displayed and a lot of it is
irrelevant and unnecessary. Also, as I paginated, I noticed that
Who releases a search product that hasn't gotten at least 12 months of
indexing in?
Work. Business Decision. Ever.
I feel so sorry for their Marketing dept. having to deal with that...
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Sebi Tauciuc wrote:
Maybe you weren't indexed yet ;)
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Shali Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although I like the design... I mean, it's pretty and all. Google
does the whole less is more sort of deal and that tends to win
out.
Agree.
I think in this day and age, it is hard to get people to jump
on a new search
Maybe you weren't indexed yet ;)
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Mario Bourque [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Was not able to find mariobourque.com when searching for Mario Bourque
I like the concept though.
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Although I like the design... I mean, it's pretty and all. Google
does the whole less is more sort of deal and that tends to win
out. I think in this day and age, it is hard to get people to jump
on a new search engine just because people have adapted to what they
are used to... google or yahoo.
yup, re-read your post Andrei, still think you've got an odd handle
on what's Innovative and what drives innovators.
Either way, from an product design delivery perspective it would
seem that Cuil grossly failed some basic principles on shipping a
product that might have any chance of taking
Given the amount of traffic, thinking, and writing time this app has
consumed, especially in the places that they were aiming for (the folks
on this list for example), I think they've met everything they set out
to do.
Though the cynic in me says those aims were mainly the next rounds of
On Jul 31, 2008, at 4:52 AM, pauric wrote:
yup, re-read your post Andrei, still think you've got an odd handle
on what's Innovative and what drives innovators.
You're getting stuck on thinking I was saying that Cuil is innovative.
I said no such thing.
Again, you missed the point of what
Andrei, mate...
http://www.cuil.com/ launches today. And will fail soon
This is the kind of feedback that kills a lot of the innovation in
our industry as a process or means to approach design.
Can I recommend: http://tinyurl.com/6bqbaq
That aside, I think its bad form to criticize
Andrei, apologies, the link to the guide to better writing was a
mistake and does not befit the conversation on the list.
You have my sincerest apologies as well as the members of this list
for wasting their time with off-topic, puerile, content.
regards /pauric
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Just when I thought things were getting good.
Here you go old boy *http://tinyurl.com/5cdyqr*
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, pauric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrei, apologies, the link to the guide to better writing was a
mistake and does not befit the conversation on the list.
You have
On Jul 31, 2008, at 11:38 AM, pauric wrote:
I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you like/dislike about
cuil, so lets hear what you think makes this product innovative.
Again... I *NEVER* said that Cuil was innovative. I find the product
interesting, and I'll let you know why below.
I
A cursory and subjective review of the top results for Andrei indicated - to
me at least - that cuil's results were more semantically relevant and
contextually vectored than either google or yahoo. What first peeked my
interest was/is their clustering and semantic relevance algorithms and how
they
I used google in 1997 and thought it was fabulous.
I used cuil yesterday and thought it was ridiculous.
Do any of you remember using Google back in the day for the first
time? I remember explicitly clicking the I'm Feeling Lucky button
and thinking I got back the most idiotic search
Andrei: This is the kind of feedback that kills a lot of the
innovation in our industry as a process or means to approach
design.
Hi Andrei, could you elaborate a little further on how negative
feedback can kill 'innovation'. I see that as a very simplistic
understanding of what motivates people
What about http://clusty.com/ a great clustering search engine, with
a much nicer UI.
I first used it in 2005 so its been around for a while and I tend to
go there when I am unable to find what I want using Google.
Why is cuil better then clusty? Perhaps as Cuil claims, it's
because it
This is the kind of feedback that kills a lot of the innovation in our
industry as a process or means to approach design.
Innovation might not be the correct word here. There is plenty of
innovation, like ASK. Cuil is trying too hard to be different with their
UI.
Andrei, apologies for continuing to critique your definition of
Innovation, but just to labour the point... When someone can churn
out a copy of an 'innovative' search engine (a mashup to be exact)
in less than 24 hours I feel its safe to say you're not setting the
'innovation' bar high enough
Oh, this should be fun.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:22 PM, pauric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrei,
--
The lesson here is that we cannot remove artificial dependencies, but
we can reduce them. - Hao He
Welcome to the Interaction
On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:22 PM, pauric wrote:
Andrei, apologies for continuing to critique your definition of
Innovation, but just to labour the point...
I think you missed my point entirely. Please re-read what I wrote.
--
Andrei Herasimchuk
Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the
I think the concept's ok and I like the interface, which is very minimal,
but the results and the way to search is not quite there yet ;-)
You're more than charitable. :-)
When you aim to topple the planet's most efficient money making apparatus
disguised as a search engine (which Cuil
On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Kontra wrote:
http://www.cuil.com/ launches today.
And will fail soon.
This is the kind of feedback that kills a lot of the innovation in our
industry as a process or means to approach design. And designers in
this industry wonder why executives or product
A new clustering search engine? Wall Street Journal article here: *
http://tinyurl.com/5b9e9q
http://www.cuil.com/ launches today.
It was a little quirky this morning. Even though it comes from three
architects at google, how is it different?
*Popularity is useful, but has dominated search
http://www.cuil.com/ launches today.
And will fail soon.
Example:
Do a search for, uhm, design.
Check the very first entry:
http://www.wpdfd.com/
Notice the focus of that most popular/authoritative/relevant entry.
Now, click on the next tab Web Design.
Wonder where the first entry (the top
I tried Cuil for a search on *nailed by nikita + grindhouse* (*)
I didn't get a result until there was nothing more left than
*grindhouse*which is a little bit disappointing.
I think the concept's ok and I like the interface, which is very minimal,
but the results and the way to search is not
The UI design is interesting as well. Multi-column search layouts have
typically not fared very well at scale, though I personally like them
just fine.
It seems that avoiding a costly scroll for examining more results would
be a win, but people are quite use to a single column and it makes
I actually find the horizontal / multi column results search a lot more
natural in this kind of setting. usually the summary section isn't
necessary for most searches, so changing the format to a more blocky,
horizontal grouping might actually be beneficial. Since users have to
read the
Andy Edmonds wrote:
The UI design is interesting as well. Multi-column search layouts
have typically not fared very well at scale, though I personally like
them just fine.
I hated that bit. I didn't know where to look, which column would
contain the most important search results? Just made my
well, as people are want to do, i typed jdgimzek into the engine,
and it did not return any results on jdgimzek.com
fail.
jd
On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Damon Dimmick wrote:
I actually find the horizontal / multi column results search a lot
more natural in this kind of setting.
Dimmick
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I actually find the horizontal / multi column results search a lot more
natural in this kind of setting. usually the summary section isn't
necessary for most searches, so changing the format to a more
Not that you can check now (they seem to be down), but their image
matching software is not all that accurate. There are two David
Malouf's of interest in the search results (I win on the 1st page on
Cuil--Yeah!), but the picture is never of me or even associated with
me. Once they even had Jared
the fact that Google is a verb.
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Not that you can check now (they seem to be down), but their image
It's going to be hard for any new players in the search engine market to
overcome the fact that Google is a verb.
Even if Google is, in fact, the McDonald's of search -- until a significant
number of people realize that corn fed beef will make them fat and die, they
won't switch. Billions and
So far about even mix so far between positive and negative...
I once considered tilting the grid a little to the right, so that either
up/down or left/right strategies would get the intended rank ordering.
For Cuil, the inclusion of graphics from the page helps make the column
layout more
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Not that you can check now (they seem to be down), but their image
matching software is not all that accurate. There are two David
Malouf's
of interest in the search results (I win on the 1st page on
Cuil--Yeah!), but the picture is never
There are bugs.
1) This morning I searched on a term (usability) and then switched my
preferences to allow for questionable content (by default this is
protected) and the same search returned zero results.
2) Recently I did a search which yielded only 5 results on screen,
confirmed by the fact
My thought was that the launch generated a lot of interest, so they may have
underestimated the load of the new site curiosity traffic. Denial of
service-type, just a little overloaded as people check out the potential
David to Giant Google.
Chris
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Maureen [EMAIL
YEp, they are down...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:46:20, dave malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that you can check now (they seem to be down), but their image
matching software is not all that accurate. There are two David
Malouf's of interest in the search results (I win on the 1st page on
Needs a lot of work (image display prefs, spell check, column prefs,
etc). Might work though. Site is running slow and quirky.
I agree with Andri that scan ability might be an issue when trying to
reach users already accustomed to the single column display. Again,
easy fix with added preferences.
I don't know, Lucy. It's hard to know if the multi-column would be
better or worse if we were used to it.
Maybe we've all been trained to expect the row-by-row format since
that's been the default for 10 years, but if this concept were actually
implemented well, it might prove beneficial.
Just looking at it from the interface, Google's format of displaying results
lends itself to rapid scanning before choosing to click anything. Also, the
way google extracts a small amount of text from each web page and highlights
some key things makes it much easier to make a decision on which
they are trying to be too cute with the interface.
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