Re: [IxDA Discuss] Icons VS Labels and Localization ...

2008-01-10 Thread Lucy Buykx
Grace said 1. Phones use text to describe their functionality
already, and people understand what those actions are.
2. I figured that it would be easier to translate those actions to
the other languages. 

and

we have clients that are 55-70 and building the actions that was
made sense to them in user testing.

Its so good to hear people thinking about cross cultural/language
differences during development.

Its an interesting challenge you have got. Not only are the customers
likely to intuit different icons or understand different text
descriptions of the functions because of language and culture, but
they also are older and potentially less likely to be familiar with
buzz words. And of course as we age our visual acuity reduces so
icons would have to be very visually simple and clear as well.

I'd go back to the developers with your cross language user testing
results and say we need to store different icons or text for
different languages. 

Are you obliged to shove each language into exactly the same design?
German speakers are probably comfortable with their labels taking
rather more screen estate than Japanese. Can the developers help you
with a template that expands or contracts with the differing
requirements of languages?


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[IxDA Discuss] Icons VS Labels and Localization ...

2008-01-09 Thread Grady Kelly
Hello Everyone ...

I am designing a softphone application.  We plan to offer the application in
various languages, Spanish, German, Japanese and of course English.  In my
design I opted to use labels for various actions such as Transfer Hold
Conference or Hangup.  I did this for a few reasons:

 1. Phones use text to describe their functionality already, and people
understand what those actions are.
 2. I figured that it would be easier to translate those actions to the
other languages.
 3. I did not think that the icons would translate themselves well from
one language to another.
 4. With labels in mind, I use context menus to build the actions, so
clicking Transfer gives you a context menu with various options like
contact via dial pad or contact via phone book, thus building a sentence
Transfer contact via dial pad.  This was done because we have clients that
are 55-70 and building the actions that was made sense to them in user
testing.

Here lies my problem,  development is using Adobe Flex, and say that it is
easier if I used icons instead of labels  Flex apparently does not support
floating of elements, so like in html/css, as the buttons got longer, the
other buttons would just carry down.  The developers would have to position
(x,y) for every button for every language.

So my questions are:

 1.  Which are better, Icons or Labels? Are icons perceived differently
in different languages?
 2.  Should the development issue dictate whats done?  (I say toughen up
Nancy! and get er' done!)

Now, I have offered a middle ground, that is to mock up each and get
feedback on the icons and the actions, etc.

I am just curious to know what you all think.

Thanks,

Grady Kelly
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Icons VS Labels and Localization ...

2008-01-09 Thread Michael Micheletti
On Jan 9, 2008 12:04 PM, Grady Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1.  Which are better, Icons or Labels? Are icons perceived differently
 in different languages?


I don't know about better or not, but when faced with the same decision last
year at our company, I worked up a set of icons that could be used on our
controls. It took a long time and many review cycles. We made tooltip text
localizable for the graphical controls. The application originally had the
worst of all worlds: text displayed in graphics on control surfaces.

It's my understanding that using symbols instead of text for controls is
periodically attempted as a way to avoid localization of control surface
text, but that these efforts are not always successful. I ended up doing a
fair amount of research into international symbols along the way to try to
avoid pitfalls.

I might not have made the same decision if I was creating an application for
a kiosk, or for a pop-in-and-out-of-it web page. Ours is a communications
application for trained operators, so it's understood that some hop-on-board
time is needed. I've also had some previous experience designing icon symbol
sets for specialized applications, so I mostly knew what I was getting into.

Unexpected benefit: the eye-candy aspect of making the symbols light up
pretty for the various control states got our dev team excited about the
redesign.

Hope this helps,

Michael Micheletti

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