Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Paolo Cavallini]

Frank Warmerdam ha scritto:

> I would suggest that local/regional conference

In Italy, GRASS meetings (now GFOSS meeting) have been organized
regularly since 2000. Next year it will be in Sardinia:
http://gfoss2009.crs4.it/
All the best.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code Sprint: How Much?

[Jody Garnett]

I would go for 3 days - it worked out well for the GeoTools community. 
Three days is enough time to effect change; but not so much time you get 
bogged down.


I did find timing of a sprint right after FOSS4G to be a bit of a 
trouble for some (in addition to being tired ) reports this year 
indicate that sprints were hampered by the occasional hangover (no doubt 
due to wish others a good trip home the night before).


Jody

Paul Ramsey wrote:

Everyone loves a good code sprint... or do they?

2007 brought you the one-day sprint (with the GeoToolsers and uDiggers
going for an extended weekend sprint).
2008 brings you another day.
2009 is still thinking about it.

How much sprinting would you do? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 days?

I am wondering if the right way to handle the sprints is to turn them
from something the conference quietly subsidizes to something that
OSGeo pays for directly.  That way the conference organizers don't
feel like they are having it taken out of their hide, and it can be as
long as people like. Also, it fits directly into the OSGeo mission of
promoting the development of the software.

Book-keeping-wise it's a left-pocket-to-right-pocket transaction for
OSGeo, but from a authority and decision making PoV it removes the
issue from the plate of the conference team and puts it into the hands
of the software promoting team (whomever they may be).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Lucena, Ivan]

Last year the organization published a very nice report. That will 
certainly take some time do put all the number together as nice I they 
did before but I believe that it will help someone like me, who did not 
attended, to have a good perspective of what we should expect for Sydney.


Dave Patton wrote:

On 2008/10/07 11:04 AM, Landon Blake wrote:
It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of 
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine

which host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the
most users.


That would only let you look at the impact on
OSGeo members. Even for a regional conference,
that does not include the complete universe of
potential delegates for the conference. I have
no idea whether it would be a useful predictor
of overall conference attendance.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Dave Patton]

On 2008/10/07 11:19 AM, Chip Taylor wrote:

I have to agree that something more "local" needs to be offered as well.  I
attended the Victoria conference and found it to be one of the most useful
conferences I had attended in many years.  But the cost of an airline ticket
from Seattle to Capetown was nearly $2,000 US. Flying time to Capetown was
on the order of 24 hours and returning the flying time was over 31 hours.
That's 55 hours of grueling travel time, not to mention airport time. Add in
the hotel/B&B/tent/sleeping on the street, food and the conference fees you
are talking a good bit of expense here.   In both cash and time, this was
just too prohibitive.  My company would have rejected it outright and I
certainly could not have afforded it from my own funds.

 


I hope to attend a FOSS4G conference again, but I am afraid with world
finances the way they are, as well as airline situations, it will be quite a
few years before I can do that.

 


Chip Taylor

Prepared Response, Inc

Tacoma, WA


If you 'reverse the directions' in Chip's text, you might get
the wording used by people in Capetown to explain why they
perhaps didn't wouldn't a FOSS4G conference in Seattle. And
the same might have been said for some people in Australia who
didn't attend FOSS4G 2007 in Victoria BC Canada, but then you
could probably 'reverse' that in 2009 for why some people won't
attend FOSS4G 2009 in Sydney Australia. It just reinforces
that by moving FOSS4G around geographically, each year some
people will be unable to attend, while at the same time
others will have an opportunity to attend that year. Overall,
the most good for the most people, given time.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Dave Patton]

On 2008/10/07 11:04 AM, Landon Blake wrote:
It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of 
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine

which host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the
most users.


That would only let you look at the impact on
OSGeo members. Even for a regional conference,
that does not include the complete universe of
potential delegates for the conference. I have
no idea whether it would be a useful predictor
of overall conference attendance.

--
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CIS Canadian Information Systems
Victoria, B.C.

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Canadian Coordinator
Technical Coordinator
http://www.confluence.org/

OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference:
Workshop Committee Chair
Conference Committee member
http://www.foss4g2007.org/

Personal website:
Maps, GPS, etc.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Date Confusion

[Cameron Shorter]

Yes, sorry Eric, we had to change the dates for FOSS4G2009 to 20-23 
October due to clashes with venue availability.


Regarding other conferences, we have collected a list of dates for 
related conferences at:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Marketing_Plan#Related_Conferences
GeoComputation 2009 will be 23 Nov - 8 Dec 2009.

Eric Wolf wrote:

I'm a little confused on the dates for FOSS4G 2009.

This page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009 says Oct 20-23

This page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Press_Release_2 says Nov 17-21

Which is correct?

Also, does anyone have dates for GeoComputation 2009 (also in Sidney)?

-Eric

  



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Cameron Shorter]

Sanghee,
I understand your question because I've had it asked from me a number of 
times too, and we should ensure we have answers as part of our Marketing 
Plan.


I've started building up a wiki with links to various case studies which 
should be of help:


http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies

(I encourage others to add links in here if their favourite case studies 
are not referenced).


Sanghee Shin wrote:

Hi all,
 
I'm Sanghee Shin from Seoul, Korea. I hope somebody remember me. I 
presented activities of OSGeo Korean language L.C. to you at AGM this 
conference.
 
Anyway.. I was invited to a national research institute(KRIHS) in 
Korea which supports policy making of Korean central government a 
month ago. There I presented what is FOSS4G and how can it be used in 
government sector. The mood was very good and they showed much 
interest in FOSS4G at that time.
 
However, frankly to say, almost all the Korean GIS market - especially 
in government sector -  have beent dominated by proprietary s/w yet 
and KRISH don't have enough courage to persuade central government to 
use FOSS4G at this point. KRISH still have uncertainty and doubt on 
FOSS4G.
 
After coming back to my seat in my office from Cape Town, I got a 
phone call from KRISH researcher. She said that she wanted to include 
those successful case of FOSS4G use in another government into their 
report which should be submitted to Korean central government. She 
added that FOSS4G could be a good option for Korean government's next 
gis project. Since KRISH didn't know much about FOSS4G in real case, 
they needed true proven case of FOSS4G use in government sector.
 
Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please 
let me know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site, 
implementation history, your experiences... and kinds of materials 
will be useful to me.
 
Your help will be appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Date Confusion

[Eric Wolf]

I'm a little confused on the dates for FOSS4G 2009.

This page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009 says Oct 20-23

This page http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Press_Release_2 says Nov 17-21

Which is correct?

Also, does anyone have dates for GeoComputation 2009 (also in Sidney)?

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Gavin Fleming]

Frank wrote:
>As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to
>work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an "open
>source track" or something similar.

We've just been approached by www.eis-africa.org who are keen to run a 
dedicated FOSS4G track at www.africagis2009.org , 26-29 Oct 2009, the week 
after FOSS4G 2009. AfricaGIS is the major GIS conference in Africa (e.g. 750 
delegates in Pretoria in 2005). So, who's keen to make it happen?
 
GISSA will try to run FOSS4G tracks / have FOSS4G booths at all future national 
and provincial events in SA as well. 
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

I don't think this is really fair on the organizers, if you don't have 
time to do a Google search for accommodation or follow one low traffic 
mailing list (open source people are mostly following or actively 
participating on multiple e-mail lists), then how do you find the time 
to actually attend the full conference week at all.


Every trip needs some preparation, which you need to be prepared to put 
into it.


I do agree that it might have been easier if those options had been 
listed (but on the other hand I also understand the commercial reasons 
behind them not being listed),.


Best regards,
Bart

Laura Toma wrote:


Registration + hotel represent 1/2 of the 
price of the trip. So together they WERE a deciding factor.I am 
always too busy, so browsing the discuss lists and the web for B&B in 
Cape Town was not an option.   If the conference is not targeted 
towards business,  then the conference accommodation site should 
include budget hotels (the 5-star hotels can circulate on the discuss 
lists for those interested). 

-Laura 




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This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well


Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.


I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded

to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location

WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the

full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson

to government official WORKED.


It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years

to come. 



Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of

community.


Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users

and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint 



Cost:

-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was

NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%

discount, but these were a minority. 


-Travel was THE deciding factor.

-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block

bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in

high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising

one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should

not have been a factor.

-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could

not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.


By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many

places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and

that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission. 



The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future

global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.

Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.

But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a

core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And

there you have the magic mix.


So, from me:

-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually

-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever

they emerge

-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived

technical-business divide. 


-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big

sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is

http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back

enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).  



Gavin Fleming 








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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Markus Neteler]

> Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please let me
> know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site, implementation
> history, your experiences... and kinds of materials will be useful to me.

Here one more (absolutely incomplete):
http://grass.osgeo.org/intro/index.php
-> Who is using GRASS?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[David William Bitner]

Look at the history of the conferences that became FOSS4G.  The original
MapServer Users Conferences in Ottawa and Minneapolis were just planned by
local users groups with no overarching guidance.  One thing to notice is
that in both of these venues, the Universities played a major role which can
help keep costs down for things like labs and the like.
These regional conferences can be run much more on a slim budget and do not
have to have the large sponsors or polish that we have come to expect from
our flagship event.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  When I think about the possibility of setting up a local or regional
> conference I get a little scared about the unknowns. How do you go about
> locating conference space? Do you approach local hotels and motels about
> discount rooming rates?
>
>
>
> Would it be possible to have a way for the FOSS4G conference folks assist a
> chapter interested in a regional conference?
>
>
>
> Landon
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Chip Taylor
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:20 AM
> *To:* 'OSGeo Discussions'
> *Subject:* RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
>
>
>
> I have to agree that something more "local" needs to be offered as well.  I
> attended the Victoria conference and found it to be one of the most useful
> conferences I had attended in many years.  But the cost of an airline ticket
> from Seattle to Capetown was nearly $2,000 US. Flying time to Capetown was
> on the order of 24 hours and returning the flying time was over 31 hours.
> That's 55 hours of grueling travel time, not to mention airport time. Add in
> the hotel/B&B/tent/sleeping on the street, food and the conference fees you
> are talking a good bit of expense here.   In both cash and time, this was
> just too prohibitive.  My company would have rejected it outright and I
> certainly could not have afforded it from my own funds.
>
>
>
> I hope to attend a FOSS4G conference again, but I am afraid with world
> finances the way they are, as well as airline situations, it will be quite a
> few years before I can do that.
>
>
>
> Chip Taylor
>
> Prepared Response, Inc
>
> Tacoma, WA
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Ames
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:08 AM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
>
>
>
> I'll make another plug for Helena's suggestion on the conference list that
> an International FOSS4g be offered every other year. In alternate years
> members would be encouraged to run regional and/or project specific small
> conferences... - Dan
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller, regional
> conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be tackled by local
> OSGeo Chapters?
>
>
>
> It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of acceptable
> travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which host cities
> for a local or regional conference would impact the most users.
>
>
>
> Landon
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Frank Warmerdam]

Landon Blake wrote:
When I think about the possibility of setting up a local or regional 
conference I get a little scared about the unknowns. How do you go about 
locating conference space? Do you approach local hotels and motels about 
discount rooming rates?


Would it be possible to have a way for the FOSS4G conference folks 
assist a chapter interested in a regional conference?


Landon,

Good question.  I think Arnulf raised the suggestion that it would be
good to have some "how to hold a mini-conference" materials in the wiki.

I would suggest that local/regional conference aim for a more modest
presence than FOSS4G.  In particular look for inexpensive space to hold
it.  Often universities are cooperative in this regard if there are
some FOSS4G friendly faculty.  Universities also often have computer
labs available if you want to try and do some hands on workshops.

Also, ensure you have at least 3-4 local volunteers willing to help
make arrangements. If it all falls on one person it can be a very heavy
load.  Ideally you would have more folks as part of a local chapter who
would like to help.

You will also want to be sure you have enough speakers to provide a
useful event.  Best to get some respectible ones committed early.

Sometimes it is helpful to arrange smaller conferences just before or
after some other GIS event to take advantage of folks existing travel
arrangements.  If you do this though you may need some good lead time.

It can be helpful to have some sponsorship to fund food, facilities, and
such.  In the OSBootCamp/GeoCamp event here in Ottawa we did not require
attendies to register and pay (due to support for the food from sponsors,
and the university for facilities).  The downside of that was it was very
hard to work out how many people were likely to show up, and there was
no attendie list for future contact.  So I'd suggest requiring registration,
and getting contact info, even if the registration is relatively modest
(ie. $20).

As an alternative to a stand-alone event, it can also be helpful to
work with an existing GIS conference organizer to provide an "open
source track" or something similar.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Landon Blake]

When I think about the possibility of setting up a local or regional
conference I get a little scared about the unknowns. How do you go about
locating conference space? Do you approach local hotels and motels about
discount rooming rates?

 

Would it be possible to have a way for the FOSS4G conference folks
assist a chapter interested in a regional conference?

 

Landon

 



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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:20 AM
To: 'OSGeo Discussions'
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I have to agree that something more "local" needs to be offered as well.
I attended the Victoria conference and found it to be one of the most
useful conferences I had attended in many years.  But the cost of an
airline ticket from Seattle to Capetown was nearly $2,000 US. Flying
time to Capetown was on the order of 24 hours and returning the flying
time was over 31 hours.  That's 55 hours of grueling travel time, not to
mention airport time. Add in the hotel/B&B/tent/sleeping on the street,
food and the conference fees you are talking a good bit of expense here.
In both cash and time, this was just too prohibitive.  My company would
have rejected it outright and I certainly could not have afforded it
from my own funds.

 

I hope to attend a FOSS4G conference again, but I am afraid with world
finances the way they are, as well as airline situations, it will be
quite a few years before I can do that.

 

Chip Taylor

Prepared Response, Inc

Tacoma, WA

 

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To: OSGeo Discussions
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I'll make another plug for Helena's suggestion on the conference list
that an International FOSS4g be offered every other year. In alternate
years members would be encouraged to run regional and/or project
specific small conferences... - Dan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller,
regional conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be
tackled by local OSGeo Chapters?

 

It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which
host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the most
users.

 

Landon

 



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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Chip Taylor]

I have to agree that something more "local" needs to be offered as well.  I
attended the Victoria conference and found it to be one of the most useful
conferences I had attended in many years.  But the cost of an airline ticket
from Seattle to Capetown was nearly $2,000 US. Flying time to Capetown was
on the order of 24 hours and returning the flying time was over 31 hours.
That's 55 hours of grueling travel time, not to mention airport time. Add in
the hotel/B&B/tent/sleeping on the street, food and the conference fees you
are talking a good bit of expense here.   In both cash and time, this was
just too prohibitive.  My company would have rejected it outright and I
certainly could not have afforded it from my own funds.

 

I hope to attend a FOSS4G conference again, but I am afraid with world
finances the way they are, as well as airline situations, it will be quite a
few years before I can do that.

 

Chip Taylor

Prepared Response, Inc

Tacoma, WA

 

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I'll make another plug for Helena's suggestion on the conference list that
an International FOSS4g be offered every other year. In alternate years
members would be encouraged to run regional and/or project specific small
conferences... - Dan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller, regional
conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be tackled by local
OSGeo Chapters?

 

It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of acceptable
travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which host cities
for a local or regional conference would impact the most users.

 

Landon

 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Markus Neteler]

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I should have clearly stated that local conferences could be an alternative
> to FOSS4G, not a REPLACEMENT.

This is what I also brought up a few days ago on the conference list.
Half a years after/before the main event. This would enable more people
to participate (since travel matters) and would be of even wider
media impact.

Obviously, the main FOSS4G remains the most important conference as
meeting of the tribes.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Daniel Ames]

I'll make another plug for Helena's suggestion on the conference list that
an International FOSS4g be offered every other year. In alternate years
members would be encouraged to run regional and/or project specific small
conferences... - Dan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Landon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller, regional
> conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be tackled by local
> OSGeo Chapters?
>
>
>
> It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of acceptable
> travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which host cities
> for a local or regional conference would impact the most users.
>
>
>
> Landon
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Ames
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:49 AM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Cc:* conference_dev
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts
>
>
>
> Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the mix
> of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the business
> GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint conference like this
> gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing opportunities that they
> wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT idea the South Africa group
> had.  Good job.
>
>
>
> One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
> "closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
> relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
> right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year?
>
>
>
> So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
> Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about Idaho?
> :)
>
>
>
> - Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well
>
> Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.
>
> I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
> to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
> WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
> full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
> to government official WORKED.
>
> It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
> to come.
>
> Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
> community.
>
> Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
> and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint
>
> Cost:
> -Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
> NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
> discount, but these were a minority.
> -Travel was THE deciding factor.
> -Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
> bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
> high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
> one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
> not have been a factor.
> -with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
> not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.
>
> By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
> places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
> that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.
>
> The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
> global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
> Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
> But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
> core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
> there you have the magic mix.
>
> So, from me:
> -keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
> -stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
> they emerge
> -keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
> technical-business divide.
> -put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
> sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
> http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
> enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).
>
> Gavin Fleming
>
>
> This message is intended for the addressee only.
> Information and attachments in this e-mail may contain confidential,
> proprietary, or legally privileged information.
> If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivery of the
> message to the intended recipient,
> any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken is prohibited
> and may be unlawful,
> and 

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Landon Blake]

I should have clearly stated that local conferences could be an
alternative to FOSS4G, not a REPLACEMENT. Please don't burn me at the
stake for that slip up. :]

 

Landon

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:04 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

 

I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller,
regional conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be
tackled by local OSGeo Chapters?

 

It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which
host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the most
users.

 

Landon

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:49 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Cc: conference_dev
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

 

Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the
mix of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the
business GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint
conference like this gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing
opportunities that they wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT
idea the South Africa group had.  Good job.

 

One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
"closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year? 

 

So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about
Idaho? :)

 

- Dan

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well

Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.

I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
to government official WORKED.

It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
to come.

Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
community.

Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint

Cost:
-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
discount, but these were a minority.
-Travel was THE deciding factor.
-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
not have been a factor.
-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.

By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.

The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
there you have the magic mix.

So, from me:
-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
they emerge
-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
technical-business divide.
-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).

Gavin Fleming


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Landon Blake]

I really think the best solution to this issue would be smaller,
regional conferences. Perhaps this could be an issue that could be
tackled by local OSGeo Chapters?

 

It would be cool if we could get a point location and radius of
acceptable travel from each OSGeo member. You could then determine which
host cities for a local or regional conference would impact the most
users.

 

Landon

 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Ames
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:49 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Cc: conference_dev
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

 

Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the
mix of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the
business GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint
conference like this gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing
opportunities that they wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT
idea the South Africa group had.  Good job.

 

One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
"closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year? 

 

So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about
Idaho? :)

 

- Dan

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well

Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.

I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
to government official WORKED.

It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
to come.

Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
community.

Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint

Cost:
-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
discount, but these were a minority.
-Travel was THE deciding factor.
-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
not have been a factor.
-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.

By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.

The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
there you have the magic mix.

So, from me:
-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
they emerge
-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
technical-business divide.
-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).

Gavin Fleming


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Daniel Ames]

Another consideration: my students who attended last week said that the mix
of GISSA with FOSS4g was EXCELLENT.  The really liked having the business
GIS users/non-FOSS people there. In fact, doing a joint conference like this
gave the FOSS folks lots of great proselytizing opportunities that they
wouldn't otherwise have. So that was a GREAT idea the South Africa group
had.  Good job.
One more thing... We should be careful talking about having conferences
"closer". Come on folks, as geo-people you all know that "closer" is
relative to your datum...  There is a huge growing GIS interest in China
right now. Wouldn't it be cool to have FOSS4g there one year?

So a public "Thanks" to the SA organizers, and a "Good luck!" to the
Aussies... and as for 2010?  Anyone interested in Beijing? How about Idaho?
:)

- Dan



On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gavin Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well
>
> Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.
>
> I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
> to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
> WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
> full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
> to government official WORKED.
>
> It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
> to come.
>
> Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
> community.
>
> Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
> and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint
>
> Cost:
> -Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
> NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
> discount, but these were a minority.
> -Travel was THE deciding factor.
> -Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
> bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
> high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
> one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
> not have been a factor.
> -with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
> not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.
>
> By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
> places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
> that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.
>
> The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
> global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
> Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
> But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
> core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
> there you have the magic mix.
>
> So, from me:
> -keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
> -stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
> they emerge
> -keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
> technical-business divide.
> -put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
> sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
> http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
> enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).
>
> Gavin Fleming
>
>
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Re: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Laura Toma]

Registration + hotel represent 1/2 of the price of the trip. So  
together they WERE a deciding factor.I am always too busy, so  
browsing the discuss lists and the web for B&B in Cape Town was not  
an option.   If the conference is not targeted towards business,   
then the conference accommodation site should include budget hotels  
(the 5-star hotels can circulate on the discuss lists for those  
interested).


-Laura



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This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as  
well


Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.

I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf  
alluded
to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested'  
location

WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to  
businessperson

to government official WORKED.

It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for  
years

to come.

Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
community.

Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with  
users

and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint

Cost:
-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got  
50%

discount, but these were a minority.
-Travel was THE deciding factor.
-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
not have been a factor.
-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.

By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from  
many

places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission.

The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other  
future
global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make  
it.
Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost  
everywhere.
But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia.  
And a

core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
there you have the magic mix.

So, from me:
-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
they emerge
-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
technical-business divide.
-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).

Gavin Fleming




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Paul Ramsey]

http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/casestudies

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Sanghee Shin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please let me
> know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site, implementation
> history, your experiences... and kinds of materials will be useful to me.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Gavin Fleming]

This thread has been doing the rounds on the conference_dev list as well

Some of my thoughts in the aftermath of FOSS4G 2008.

I have heard very positive feedback from all quarters. As Arnulf alluded
to in the AGM, I believe the decision to host in an 'untested' location
WORKED. The mix of FOSS and proprietary worlds WORKED. The mix of the
full-spectrum ecosystem from geek to user to academic to businessperson
to government official WORKED.

It WORKED on so many levels we'll be seeing positive spin-offs for years
to come. 

Business people loved meeting developers and picking up the sense of
community.

Developers loved being with other developers and interacting with users
and funders.  And we did manage a code sprint of around 40 people.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint 

Cost:
-Registration was well within the limits set by OSGeo of $600. It was
NOT the deciding factor for most people. Academics and students got 50%
discount, but these were a minority. 
-Travel was THE deciding factor.
-Accommodation: yes, 'official' hotels where our agents got block
bookings were not exactly budget prices (global tourist destination in
high season) but we advertised and listed many links for organising
one's own cheap accommodation from backpackers to B&Bs. So that should
not have been a factor.
-with more sponsorship we would have loved to support those who could
not afford it. Luckily many who asked made a plan of their own.

By its nature, a moving conference will be expensive to get to from many
places. But it will be cheap and accessible to regional attendees and
that's the point. That's part of OSGeo's mission. 

The value of bringing FOSS4G to South Africa (or Sydney or other future
global venues) far outweighs the 'cost' to a few who could not make it.
Sydney will be in the same boat next year - far from almost everywhere.
But they're already focussing on Australia/NZ and Southeast Asia. And a
core contingent of OSGeo techies WILL make it to FOSS4G each year. And
there you have the magic mix.

So, from me:
-keep FOSS4G roaming the globe annually
-stimulate and support local or regional events whenever and wherever
they emerge
-keep the FOSS4G mix as it is - don't split along a perceived
technical-business divide. 
-put out RFPs even earlier to allow time to secure cheap venues, big
sponsorships, optimal scheduling, etc. A case in point is
http://www.igarss09.org/ where the conference was awarded years back
enabling the hosting of thousands at a cheap venue (university).  

Gavin Fleming 
 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Paolo Cavallini]

Laura Toma ha scritto:
> Dear OSGeo community, 
> 
> After attending FOSS4G last week, I wanted to share some thoughts.  As
> much as I'd like to be a regular attendee, I am afraid that the
> conference is becoming too  expensive.
...
> audience.  For e.g.,  have a regional conference;  and/or  split into
> several venues e.g.  users/research/business/developers;   have lower
> rates for academia and researchers.  

I think you raised a good point. I have seen several people, very active
and interested on the freegis scene, not going for the very same
problem. On the other hand, I do not agree with having lower rates for
academia: lots of free lance devs (often the blood of many projects) are
not affiliated to any university, and they would be even more cut out of
the event. Splitting makes the metting less interesting, so it is not
the best option.
So the message to the organizers is: keep it simple and cheap.
E.g.: hold the conference close to a low cost airport, provide cheap
accommodation for those who cannot afford a 4-star hotel, and keep the
registration costs as low as possible.
Thanks.
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[OSGeo-Discuss] some post-FOSS4G thoughts

[Laura Toma]

Dear OSGeo community,

After attending FOSS4G last week, I wanted to share some thoughts.   
As much as I'd like to be a regular attendee, I am afraid that the  
conference is becoming too  expensive.  This year the early  
registration was more than $400 (for 2.5 days of conference; the  
tutorials were extra), and the least expensive hotels listed by the  
conference website were more than$100 a night (As a matter of fact,  
most of the hotels listed on the conference website were 4 stars or  
more!).   Add the flight, and it ends up more than $2500.   I am at a  
small university, and travel funds are limited. I imagine the  
situation is the same for many people in academia and external  
funding has become very hard to get.


On the other hand, FOSS4G is the only conference that unites FOSS GIS  
developers.  I am wondering if anybody has the same concerns, and if  
anything can be  done to keep the conference available to a wide  
audience.  For e.g.,  have a regional conference;  and/or  split into  
several venues e.g.  users/research/business/developers;   have lower  
rates for academia and researchers.



-Laura




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Bowdoin College
Brunswick, ME 04011, USA



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Rafal Wawer]

Dear Sanghee Shin,

IN case of MapServer you can find its applicaitons' gallery under:
http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/gallery

IN European structures there is a cell dealing with e-government, called 
IDABC, which runs a Open Source Observatory. Lately OSO has been active 
within GIS.


In case o Belgium I know a succesfull applicaiton, presented by Lieven raes 
at CASCADOSS workshop - a software project called GeGIS - dealing mainly 
with farmers' field inventory via web service (tWFS application). You can 
find the details under 
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/images/Workshop/gegis_workshop.pdf


Best regards:
Raf

Dr. Rafal Wawer
K.U.Leuven
R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
Belgium
tel. 0032 16 329731


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hello Sanghee Shin,
I was at the same AGM, presenting the deegree software project, which is
currently in OSGeo-incubation.

If you go to the deegree site at http://www.deegree.org - "About" - 
"Gallery",
you will find a long list of projects that have been carried out in 
different

kinds of institutions both governmental and private industry, using deegree
software (LGPL).

I am sure, there are similar examples from other software and projects.

Hope this may help,
Judit

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phone ++49 +228 18496-0  fax ++49 +228 18496-29
http://www.lat-lon.dehttp://www.deegree.org



Sanghee Shin schrieb:

Hi all,

I'm Sanghee Shin from Seoul, Korea. I hope somebody remember me. I
presented activities of OSGeo Korean language L.C. to you at AGM this
conference.

Anyway.. I was invited to a national research institute(KRIHS) in Korea
which supports policy making of Korean central government a month ago.
There I presented what is FOSS4G and how can it be used in government
sector. The mood was very good and they showed much interest in FOSS4G
at that time.

However, frankly to say, almost all the Korean GIS market - especially
in government sector -  have beent dominated by proprietary s/w yet and
KRISH don't have enough courage to persuade central government to use
FOSS4G at this point. KRISH still have uncertainty and doubt on FOSS4G.

After coming back to my seat in my office from Cape Town, I got a phone
call from KRISH researcher. She said that she wanted to include those
successful case of FOSS4G use in another government into their report
which should be submitted to Korean central government. She added that
FOSS4G could be a good option for Korean government's next gis project.
Since KRISH didn't know much about FOSS4G in real case, they needed true
proven case of FOSS4G use in government sector.

Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please let
me know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site,
implementation history, your experiences... and kinds of materials will
be useful to me.

Your help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
--
Sanghee Shin
p.s. ) To market FOSS4G, how about creating a wiki page to collect those
kind of successful story of FOSS4G?




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Judit Mays]

hello Sanghee Shin,
I was at the same AGM, presenting the deegree software project, which is
currently in OSGeo-incubation.

If you go to the deegree site at http://www.deegree.org - "About" - "Gallery",
you will find a long list of projects that have been carried out in different
kinds of institutions both governmental and private industry, using deegree
software (LGPL).

I am sure, there are similar examples from other software and projects.

Hope this may help,
Judit

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l a t / l o n  GmbH
Aennchenstrasse 19   53177 Bonn, Germany
phone ++49 +228 18496-0  fax ++49 +228 18496-29
http://www.lat-lon.dehttp://www.deegree.org



Sanghee Shin schrieb:
> Hi all,
>  
> I'm Sanghee Shin from Seoul, Korea. I hope somebody remember me. I
> presented activities of OSGeo Korean language L.C. to you at AGM this
> conference.
>  
> Anyway.. I was invited to a national research institute(KRIHS) in Korea
> which supports policy making of Korean central government a month ago.
> There I presented what is FOSS4G and how can it be used in government
> sector. The mood was very good and they showed much interest in FOSS4G
> at that time.
>  
> However, frankly to say, almost all the Korean GIS market - especially
> in government sector -  have beent dominated by proprietary s/w yet and
> KRISH don't have enough courage to persuade central government to use
> FOSS4G at this point. KRISH still have uncertainty and doubt on FOSS4G.
>  
> After coming back to my seat in my office from Cape Town, I got a phone
> call from KRISH researcher. She said that she wanted to include those
> successful case of FOSS4G use in another government into their report
> which should be submitted to Korean central government. She added that
> FOSS4G could be a good option for Korean government's next gis project.
> Since KRISH didn't know much about FOSS4G in real case, they needed true
> proven case of FOSS4G use in government sector.
>  
> Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please let
> me know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site,
> implementation history, your experiences... and kinds of materials will
> be useful to me.
>  
> Your help will be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> Sanghee Shin
> p.s. ) To market FOSS4G, how about creating a wiki page to collect those
> kind of successful story of FOSS4G?
> 
> 
> 
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Successful FOSS4G use case needed especially in government sector

[Sanghee Shin]

Hi all,

I'm Sanghee Shin from Seoul, Korea. I hope somebody remember me. I presented
activities of OSGeo Korean language L.C. to you at AGM this conference.

Anyway.. I was invited to a national research institute(KRIHS) in Korea
which supports policy making of Korean central government a month ago. There
I presented what is FOSS4G and how can it be used in government sector. The
mood was very good and they showed much interest in FOSS4G at that time.

However, frankly to say, almost all the Korean GIS market - especially in
government sector -  have beent dominated by proprietary s/w yet and KRISH
don't have enough courage to persuade central government to use FOSS4G at
this point. KRISH still have uncertainty and doubt on FOSS4G.

After coming back to my seat in my office from Cape Town, I got a phone call
from KRISH researcher. She said that she wanted to include those successful
case of FOSS4G use in another government into their report which should be
submitted to Korean central government. She added that FOSS4G could be a
good option for Korean government's next gis project. Since KRISH didn't
know much about FOSS4G in real case, they needed true proven case of FOSS4G
use in government sector.

Therefore I'm writting a letter to you to request your help. Please let me
know any successful case of FOSS4G in your country. Web site, implementation
history, your experiences... and kinds of materials will be useful to me.

Your help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
--
Sanghee Shin
p.s. ) To market FOSS4G, how about creating a wiki page to collect those
kind of successful story of FOSS4G?
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